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Old 12-04-2009, 11:47 PM #22
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Eh. A lot of people go that route, but those people are typically the lawyers coming from state schools, working for the government/small firms making $60,000. PS isn't a very good major for law school.

And this is one of the concerns that have been expressed about higher education in its current state: that it's more of a white-collar trade school than an institution of academia.

But to answer your question, no, there are no liberal arts majors that regularly place a graduate in high paying jobs. Maybe economics does, but meh.
Because nothing is worse than going to a state school
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Because nothing is worse than going to a state school
State school diplomas are in high supply my friend.

Besides, everyone knows private school > public school.
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Old 12-05-2009, 02:22 AM #24
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Philosophy teaches more than how to be a philosopher. It teaches critical thinking, logic, and problem solving.
i know, i took the class and explored the field. my self-interpretation (as that one person put it) of the entire field is that its a lot of bull.

btw how've you been, i haven't seen you since pbreview.

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Philosophy at first seems dumb but it all depends on how you look at the class and use it for yourself (self interpretation, a great ideal). Although my philosophy professor lectures until new year's and is never wrong about anything, his class has been very beneficial to me as a person this semester.
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Old 12-05-2009, 03:05 AM #25
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State school diplomas are in high supply my friend.

Besides, everyone knows private school > public school.
Whereas private schools are in equally high supply...

Or are you saying that people who go to ivy league colleges will get better jobs?

I don't have to tell you that most private colleges are on par with state colleges. The exception being of course, ivy league colleges. And even then, the quality of education is not significantly greater than state colleges, or at least not enough to merit the prestige given by a diploma from, say, Harvard.

Sure, those fancy diplomas will get you a better job at first, but after ten years in your field people will look at your career and not your education. So... what is word? **** you?

And yes, I am aware of your dodgy.
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UT is one of the original 8 public Ivy schools.

so suck on that one.
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UT is one of the original 8 public Ivy schools.

so suck on that one.
That argument is like saying your bad grades in high school are cancelled out cause you had great grades in 2nd grade.
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That argument is like saying your bad grades in high school are cancelled out cause you had great grades in 2nd grade.
Or...not.
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Old 12-07-2009, 04:55 AM #29
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That argument is like saying your bad grades in high school are cancelled out cause you had great grades in 2nd grade.
*Canceled
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So... You're saying that excelling in grammar school while failing at high school is congruent to the idea that all state colleges are not equal?
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Whereas private schools are in equally high supply...

Or are you saying that people who go to ivy league colleges will get better jobs?

I don't have to tell you that most private colleges are on par with state colleges. The exception being of course, ivy league colleges. And even then, the quality of education is not significantly greater than state colleges, or at least not enough to merit the prestige given by a diploma from, say, Harvard.

Sure, those fancy diplomas will get you a better job at first, but after ten years in your field people will look at your career and not your education. So... what is word? **** you?

And yes, I am aware of your dodgy.
Hm, the rebuttal I would have given would be that state schools are actually a bunch of smaller colleges rolled into one. Whereas a business degree from xxxxx State University may not be "prestigious," it very well could be that a biochem degree is. For instance, at Purdue, they have great / competitive / prestigious Engineering programs but don't really have much in the way of Journalism.
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Old 12-07-2009, 09:11 AM #31
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Hm, the rebuttal I would have given would be that state schools are actually a bunch of smaller colleges rolled into one. Whereas a business degree from xxxxx State University may not be "prestigious," it very well could be that a biochem degree is. For instance, at Purdue, they have great / competitive / prestigious Engineering programs but don't really have much in the way of Journalism.
I thought that was too obvious to say... Has anyone ever bothered to say "The Nazis killed people"? Not since fifth grade.

OSU= Engineering and Veterinarian
OU= Medical and Law (as far as reputation goes. the main undergraduate is Social sciences)
SWOSU= Accounting and Education.

But of course, OU has a wider recognition than SWOSU
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but it seems that businesses prefer their CEO's and presidents to have liberal arts educations as opposed to technical educations.
well thats interesting to me.
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortu...shots/387.html

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CEO: Rex W. Tillerson
B.S. from The University of Texas at Austin in civil engineering

2. Wal-Mart Stores
Michael T. Duke
Duke earned a BS in Industrial Engineering from the Georgia Institute of Technology in 1971

3. Chevron
David J. O'Reilly
In 1968, he graduated with a bachelor's degree in chemical engineering from University College, Dublin, from which he also received an honorary doctor of science degree in June 2002

4. ConocoPhillips
James J. Mulva
Mr. Mulva earned his bachelor’s and master’s degrees in business administration from the University of Texas at Austin's McCombs School of Business

5. General Electric
Jeffrey R. Immelt
an M.B.A. from Harvard Business School
The CEO's of the top 5 fortune 500 companies are engineering and business majors.....
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Philosophy teaches more than how to be a philosopher. It teaches critical thinking, logic, and problem solving.
So does engineering. And it gives you the technical skills to actually implement solutions.
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I thought that was too obvious to say... Has anyone ever bothered to say "The Nazis killed people"? Not since fifth grade.
man, college kids come up with great analogies.
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I didn't mean it was bull****, I said it was a ******* major. As in, what can this degree be used for? Are there any well paying jobs (50k out of school) that look at Liberal Art majors?
if 50k is what you consider well-paying out of school, i pity/envy you. especially in this economy.

that's the average household income for all the US, and 20% of households make do on less than half that. as a single guy straight out of school, how much money do you need?
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well thats interesting to me.
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortu...shots/387.html



The CEO's of the top 5 fortune 500 companies are engineering and business majors.....
I said liberal arts educations (from private universities), not liberal arts majors.

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While the specialized skills that come with other majors may seem to be an advantage, the universality of liberal-arts skills truly is your ace in the hole because you are not limited by a specialization. Employers can train new hires in specialized skills on the job. But they can't train workers to have the critical-thinking skills, problem-solving skills, and the capacity for lifelong learning that today's organizations require. Experts say that most people will change careers five to seven times in a lifetime; thus, specialized skills may be of limited value in the long run, while the depth and breadth of liberal-arts skills are limitless. "Well-rounded" is a modifier frequently applied to liberal-arts grads. Liberal-arts grads can see the "big picture."
http://www.quintcareers.com/marketin...s_degrees.html


Also, problem solving from an engineer standpoint is completely different from problem solving from a philosopher's standpoint. Heck, it's the entire premise of the Dilbert cartoons. Engineers are calculating and analytical while philosophers are more abstract. Think "left brain vs. right brain."
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Also, problem solving from an engineer standpoint is completely different from problem solving from a philosopher's standpoint. Heck, it's the entire premise of the Dilbert cartoons. Engineers are calculating and analytical while philosophers are more abstract. Think "left brain vs. right brain."
lol, that's the transition i made... maybe i just wasn't meant to be an engineer.
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