[Spitlebug]

Originally Posted by GJ Pain

You're an animal. Please expose him, because the whole situation is showered in what sounds like bs.

No sir, I just follow up on things. If I am in the wrong I'd love to hear Mr. Spurlock's story. It is unlikely that he will discuss anything to do with the Pulse though and that is at the very least the crux upon which the relation to the Torque/G.I. Milsim loader information rests.

It is unlikely that we will ever know the whole story.

[PbN_AutoTrader]

sooo


how do you go about calling a Taiwan #

internet phone?

[Spitlebug]

Originally Posted by PbN_AutoTrader

sooo


how do you go about calling a Taiwan #

internet phone?

Calling Card. Most long distance plans in North America don't have decent coverage for anything outside the U.S./Canada/Mexico. In fact a lot of times they charge you the rate of your own carrier and the carrier in the country that you are calling. At least, that is how it is in Canada. The good thing though, is if you call international a lot such as myself you learn which calling cards are the best, and indeed some have better rates by geographical area. I call China and Taiwan fairly frequently so I already have a good calling card.

[Umami]

Originally Posted by Spitlebug

No sir, I just follow up on things. If I am in the wrong I'd love to hear Mr. Spurlock's story. It is unlikely that he will discuss anything to do with the Pulse though and that is at the very least the crux upon which the relation to the Torque/G.I. Milsim loader information rests.

It is unlikely that we will ever know the whole story.

Think it might be because of a court order or just because he doesn't want to talk about it?

[Spitlebug]

Originally Posted by Umami

Think it might be because of a court order or just because he doesn't want to talk about it?

Hard to say really. Has in the past said it was due to a court order, but more likely an out of court settlement? Still that's the shady part about this stuff. It could be part of an agreement, court order or personal politics and there will be no possible way to discern the truth.

It's pretty standard Court and Business arrangements that the agreed upon parties not release any information on settlements. Secrets rarely stay secret though, which makes it pretty folly.

[hiphophippo8]

that sucks I get .68 cheaper than 50 bucks a case the only reason I was looking forward to this was because it would be cheaper now I dont really want .50 cal anymore

[Paint_hore]

Originally Posted by $h@key J0nEZ

Wait! Where are all the huge savings we were promised?

Oh, they forgot to tell you; the savings is in their pockets.

They will produce 2x the paint for the same cost so they make 2x the profit. They can also ship twice as much for the same price so they make money on that end too.

We, as the consumer, arent going to get jack ****.

[husky07fb64]

If the approach to .50 cal as cheaper paint was to "Save paintball" then whitebox would have saved the sport years ago. These new companies want to shove something new in our faces that we all "need"

[BabyFace]

Originally Posted by husky07fb64

If the approach to .50 cal as cheaper paint was to "Save paintball" then whitebox would have saved the sport years ago. These new companies want to shove something new in our faces that we all "need"

EXACTLY

take a look at the GI MILSIM mission statement, it says nothing about making things cheaper for the end user.

[husky07fb64]

Originally Posted by BabyFace

EXACTLY

take a look at the GI MILSIM mission statement, it says nothing about making things cheaper for the end user.

So the paintball industry is going to change the face of their sport as quickly as a 13 year old girl. The .68 cal fad is over, let's move on?

[BabyFace]

who knows, maybe they think they can sell the idea well enough and make some money on it..

[ben_liquid3]

Originally Posted by BabyFace

EXACTLY

take a look at the GI MILSIM mission statement, it says nothing about making things cheaper for the end user.

Go to 1:00 mark. And 1:34 Claims of 30% savings on paint bill and .50 making paintball cheaper. I dont see this happening
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZKJAQ5ieP8


For all you "final formula" people. Go to 2:00. Weight of .50=1.15-1.3 grams.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fY2a7wZliE4

I've shot $25 .68 paint before and if it performs anything like .50 cal. The money savings I got was not worth ****, with the poor performance I got.

So unless this stuff is $20 or cheaper Im not even considering shooting the stuff.

[BabyFace]

Originally Posted by ben_liquid3

Go to 1:00 mark. And 1:34 Claims of 30% savings on paint bill and .50 making paintball cheaper. I dont see this happening
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZKJAQ5ieP8


For all you "final formula" people. Go to 2:00. Weight of .50=1.15-1.3 grams.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fY2a7wZliE4

I've shot $25 .68 paint before and if it performs anything like .50 cal. The money savings I got was not worth ****, with the poor performance I got.

So unless this stuff is $20 or cheaper Im not even considering shooting the stuff.

ok well there they are talking about making it cheaper. However according to tests...the performance this paint just isnt that great. wont travel as far and wont break as easy...

at 30% cheaper.. i dont know if thats enough to convince me to switch over when looking at its disadvantages.

Still no official prices.

[pballer554]

not to great

[brycelarson]

Originally Posted by Pump Scout

whether that price is for 2000 or 4000 ball cases, this is still all speculation.

I've got a nifty bag right here - 500 balls, full production printing on it. it's 2000 rounds a case.

Originally Posted by iboomalot

how is the long ball testing coming along???
Like to know what 150 -250 ft differences are distance wise.
Might even try a break test at 125 - 150 ft

PunkWorks did an accuracy test out to 125 feet yesterday. video and data will be up soon. We had a first on this test. we had a ball bounce off our target at 125'. That's never happened on any test we've done. Our target is Masonite (hardboard).

Originally Posted by PbN_AutoTrader

In order for a 1.2 gram ball to carry the same FPE as a .68 cal at 0 feet the vlocity would have to equal 474.34 fps

All of you carry on bashing something that 99.9% of you (including myself) have not even got to use yet in a real world application.

there are a few things going on right now. I spoke to someone involved in the ASTM standards - and as I understand there's a big fight right now about .50 and maximum velocity standards. At this point GIMilsim (Richmond to be specific) used the number 5 in a video. he said that the balls would have 5 joules. That translates to 300 fps at 1.21 grams - which is right what the balls I have weigh.

I now have shot them. The data is forthcoming - but the anecdotal stuff I can tell you is that these balls are quite heavily effect by wind. at 80 feet in a 4-5 mps crosswind there was significant hook to the flight of the ball. much like I would expect in moderate to heavy wind in long-ball shooting with a .68.

Originally Posted by LoneWolf99

I really wish people would let the >300+ argument go. It is a dead issue with GI Milsim, the insurance companies, and field owners (who have to follow the insurance lead) - .50 will never be shot above 300 (legally & ethically) on organized paintball fields.

Insurance policies and ASTM standards are constantly changing. It's entirely possible that the success of .50 will be tied to how well they can lobby to allow increased speeds on their product.

The accuracy data was interesting - it'll be posted soon.

[Pump Scout]

Originally Posted by brycelarson

I've got a nifty bag right here - 500 balls, full production printing on it. it's 2000 rounds a case.

Well, that'd be the first of the "gee, this isn't coming through" issues. I seem to recall claims that the cases would be 4k count. If this was supposed to, as early talks mentioned, save the player money, they've obviously flushed that concept.

Originally Posted by brycelarson

PunkWorks did an accuracy test out to 125 feet yesterday. video and data will be up soon. We had a first on this test. we had a ball bounce off our target at 125'. That's never happened on any test we've done. Our target is Masonite (hardboard).

Bounces off hardboard at 125'? That's really not good. Not overly surprising, but I suppose it reinforces the idea that the shells aren't much (or any) different than what's been around for ages. That's the next "gee, this isn't coming through" claim.

Remember the old Warpig drop tests? Dropping balls from shoulder height to see how many drops it'd take to get a ball to break? I wonder if these things ever would break with such a test.

[brycelarson]

Originally Posted by Pump Scout

Remember the old Warpig drop tests? Dropping balls from shoulder height to see how many drops it'd take to get a ball to break? I wonder if these things ever would break with such a test.

I do an 8' drop test onto a cutting board. offers great ratios of breaks to bounces for pretty much any grade of paint. In these tests PunkWorks has usually seen 2-5 bounces out of 20 on tourney grade paint, 5-10 on cheap paint and up to 10-13 on really crappy or mis-treated paint.

I dropped the .50 and got 20 / 30 BOUNCES. that's a 2/3 bounce on an 8' drop test.

I'm sure that the claim will be made that my paint was mis-treated. And, sure, it might have been - but we were unable to mistreat DXS silver enough to create this many bounces - and that included 3 months of storage uncovered in a bathroom with a heavily used shower. The worst we could get it to do was 9/20 bounces.

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?k...XkxMkESA&gid=3

That means, quite simply, that either this paint is really bouncy - or it's really delicate and can go bad more quickly and worse than mid-grade paint.

[Spitlebug]

I already confirmed that they were 2000 round cases.

There is no current push in the ASTM International Standards to increase the velocity limit for .50 caliber paint. The standard has proposed changes however, but I cannot really discuss as it is an ASTM International matter.

[andyschein]

a whole $10s cheaper in some cases no big deal,and the converter kits is whats going to kill every1 better off leaving it as paintballs are

[Little_PB_Newb]

isn't this pretty much the same price as .68 then? Doesn't matter anyways, fields are going to do exactly what they did with .68 and just price it higher and higher based on the amount of competition in the area. (Ex..so-cal will pay $50/case or minimum while a place like north dakota or canadian prairies will pay 80+/case.)