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Old 10-07-2009, 04:38 PM #1
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What's your take?

What do you think about the .50 cal revolution?

I'm on the border. Indifferent, as of now.
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Old 10-07-2009, 04:40 PM #2
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Old 10-07-2009, 04:41 PM #3
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If it really makes everything cheaper AND they break as claimed then why not?

I will wait and see with an open mind.

I have been playing for a long time and have seen my share of "revolutions in paintball" and my share of flops.

I am hoping for another revolution.
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Old 10-07-2009, 04:43 PM #4
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It actually make sense to go .50 cal
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Old 10-07-2009, 04:44 PM #5
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Show me I don't have to chuck all my gear for smaller stuff and maybe... maybe I'll be for it.
Until then, forget it.
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Old 10-07-2009, 04:49 PM #6
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Show me I don't have to chuck all my gear for smaller stuff and maybe... maybe I'll be for it.
Until then, forget it.
Planet eclipse made a kit for .50 cal already. It consitst of a new barrel, a feedneck insert, and a breach inseart and new bolt. If its cheaper and brings more players into the sport im all for it
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Old 10-07-2009, 04:51 PM #7
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I saw that but I mean in terms of hoppers and the markers I use, Bob Long and Macdev. I don't want to have to buy an Impulse or an Ego.
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not unless it costs me less than $0 to adapt and costs less to buy paint.
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I saw that but I mean in terms of hoppers and the markers I use, Bob Long and Macdev. I don't want to have to buy an Impulse or an Ego.
Thats where the wonderful world of mastercam and cnc come into play. make your own kit......... for free!
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Old 10-07-2009, 05:07 PM #11
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I'm looking forward to trying this out. I think if the claims are even 80% accurate, this is going to be a revolutionary change in paintball.
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Old 10-07-2009, 05:19 PM #12
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Old 10-07-2009, 05:25 PM #13
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This is just an alternative to what we all know as traditional paintball. It may be a different caliber but it is still paintball. It does not mean the end of .68 in paintball. Manufacturers will never stop producing a product if there is a high demand for it. It's all about supply and demand. If the demand is high enough, production will continue. If I was a paint manufacturer, why would I abandon a product that has a high demand. It would be like walking away from making money from a product that sells itself.

To answer the question, Why introduce a new caliber? There are few things that come to mind:

1) It could be an attempt to stimulate the industry by introducing a completely new line of products aimed towards those who have not played paintball before. To someone not familiar with the sport they wouldn't know that .68 is what's widely used.

2) Reducing the impact energy of a smaller and lighter paintball. I know there have been claims of increased density of the .50 that will make it equivalent the a .68 and there maybe some truth to this but unless tests and samples are provided, I wouldn't hold my breath on this. It is however possible to improve the dispersion of the paint contained in the paintball without increasing it's mass. If you increase the frangibility factor on the shell then it would require less force to break apart and disperse the paint.

You can't use the same thickness shell to make a .68 Cal on a smaller paintball because thickness has to be relative to the weight and size.

A perfect example would be the KT pistols from Kingman. A .43 Cal paintball weighing less than a gram would require a higher velocity to even have a chance at breaking on target if the shell were made with the same thickness of a .68 but this was resolve by reducing the shell thickness and increasing the frangibility of the paintball.

.43 - 0.8 grams at 300fps = 3.3445 joules
.50 - 1.2 grams at 300fps = 5.0168 joules
.68 - 2.0 grams at 300fps = 8.3163 joules

Some countries classify a firearm by the amount of kinetic energy its projectile creates. This is why paintball markers require a special license for dealers to sell in these countries.

3) Cost of production has been discussed and obviously there is less material to make each paintball but will there be enough paintballs sold that would keep production cost down. This is all based on the demand if the markers sell well.

4) Initial monopolization is one reason I would create a market for a new product. If I can generate some interest from the industry to manufacture markers for it, then I would have a headstart on every other paint manufacturer because I'm already producing the .50 Cal. This is also a big gamble since there is no way of telling how long it would take for the market to respond to this new product or if it will even gain any popularity.

The was also a question of how the pros would respond to this. If I was a sponsored professional player and this is the only paint and equipment my sponsor is willing to provide me with:

A) Do I quit playing altogether? or
B) I play with what is given to me?

Whatever comes of this whole thing, time will tell but will it keep me from playing paintball?

ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!
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Old 10-07-2009, 05:34 PM #14
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I think it would make more sense to build markers that would be able to shoot both .68 and .50 cal paintballs. I don't like what SP did with building the .50 cal impulse. To me that limits your playing. I like what Planet Eclipse did with the inserts, thats a better idea.

.50 cal inserts > .50 cal guns
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Planet eclipse made a kit for .50 cal already. It consitst of a new barrel, a feedneck insert, and a breach inseart and new bolt. If its cheaper and brings more players into the sport im all for it
This is what I like. I do not what to go out and buy a ton of new gear just for this. If companies will make stuff like PE did then this switch would be much easier.
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Old 10-07-2009, 06:01 PM #16
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This sport already makes people have little money..
for them to have to dish out money for new everything it going to cost alot and people are going to quit including me because its going to cost alot of make the transition.
I dont care if it cheaper in the end but right now its going to cost alot.
I dont see why we cant keep it as it is because people are still joing the sport and people are still playing.
And i dought this is going to make paintball any bigger than it already is getting.
So i beleive that this is a very bad choice to make.
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Old 10-07-2009, 06:09 PM #17
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EDIT: i really dont feel like buying new gear to shoot .50 paint
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Old 10-07-2009, 06:31 PM #18
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not unless it costs me less than $0 to adapt and costs less to buy paint.
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i know it sounds absurd, but if the industry is going to make the switch i better get a free new gun, and a few hopper. plus the paint needs to break
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I'm looking forward to trying this out. I think if the claims are even 80% accurate, this is going to be a revolutionary change in paintball.
Thats the problem right there. If "they"(people who are pushing for .50) are right about the new round being all around better, then why no conclusive scientific evidence to proove each claim? Why is there all this speculation and promises with no evidence to proove any benifit at all, just vague statements like, "its more accurate". I could say that a 25 caliber paintball is more accurate than a 50 caliber paintball, and as long as I had big names backing my claim( like Planet Eclipse for example) every one would believe it. My point is that every argument related to the 50cal round is useless without scientific results from and only from an independant unbiased 3rd party.

No repeats of the planet eclipse cure bolt videos that change certain variables between tests to skew the results so that look better than they really are.

Why are paintball and science enimies to most people. I mean I still see posts where pleople and companies claim that gun A will shoot further or flatter that gun B and the same velocity and this has been proven with simple physics to be false.(excluding raritys such as the flatline, apex, or overboring a swept valve gun.)
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i do not like this at all. The prices may drop for now but i think in a couple years they will just shoot back up again.
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I think it would make more sense to build markers that would be able to shoot both .68 and .50 cal paintballs. I don't like what SP did with building the .50 cal impulse. To me that limits your playing. I like what Planet Eclipse did with the inserts, thats a better idea.

.50 cal inserts > .50 cal guns
The .50 cal impulse isn't an entirely new gun, it's just a .68 impulse with a different upper tube. The kits are available seperately to all .68 impulse users, it's why SP made the impulse that way.

Yay for new barrel thread standards I only hope SP doesn't have a seperate "SP .50 thread", ie I hope they can all agree on the same threads...
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