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Old 08-27-2009, 07:57 PM #1
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The REAL reason Zick2's are breaking!!!!

Eclipse Monthly Tech Bulletin, Aug '09

Since releasing the SL94 marker earlier this year we have seen a small number of customers experience issues with their rammers snapping. Initially we believed that the sole cause of this was due to a fault in the metal that they were machined from, but have now revised that opinion since receive back SL94’s from two separate customers that have broken two rammers apiece.

Both of the markers that came back had their rammer caps screwed into the body loosely; finger tight if you like. When they are insufficiently tightened like this, the rammer and the bolt move further back in the body and this causes the bolt pin to hit the back of the pin slot and consequently “stretches” the head of the rammer; eventually causing it to snap if the marker is repeatedly fired in this condition.

As a result we have revised the design of the rammer so that there is now a greater margin for error with regard to the position of the rammer cap. We have already issued a small quantity of these revised rammers to our beta testers and the initial feedback is that they are working extremely well. We currently do not have any more of the revised rammers available but anticipate that they will be in stock in early September; we will of course let you know as soon as they are available.

Until the revised Rammers are available, we suggest that you inform all SL94 owners to follow these guidelines to ensure that their marker performs at its peak:
- Remove the #011 NBR 70 o-ring on the threads of the Rammer Cap and stretch a #009 NBR 70 o-ring over the rammer cap so that the cap will screw in further.
- Tighten the rammer cap ALL the way in, using the correct sized hex key.
- Lower the LPR output pressure by turning the LPR adjuster screw 1 ½-2 turns in from flush.

By following the above guidelines it will dramatically increase the longevity of the Standard SL94 rammer, and in most cases will prevent any possible failure.

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Please distribute this information: The Zick2 Rammers that are shipping as part of Zick2 Kits are the new, improved design.

ANYONE who has recieved an aftermarket Zick2 Rammer DOES HAVE the new Rammer design.

ANYONE with an SL94 will have the OLD Rammer design. When Nicky T gets back after his paternity leave we should be instigating a program for ALL SL94 owners to get their Old Zick2 Rammers replaced.

I hope that is clear enough.

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Old 08-27-2009, 08:42 PM #2
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What about zick2 rammers in ego9's?
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Old 08-27-2009, 09:03 PM #3
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Old 08-27-2009, 09:09 PM #4
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What about zick2 rammers in ego9's?
I would assume you follow the same rules of caution to prevent any snaps.
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Old 08-27-2009, 09:19 PM #5
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receive back SL94’s from two separate customers that have broken two rammers apiece. .
One of those guys happens to play at my field and told me today about his 2nd broken rammer. I'll let him know about this tomorrow.
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Old 08-27-2009, 10:15 PM #6
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I would assume you follow the same rules of caution to prevent any snaps.
I was wondering the same thing.
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Old 08-27-2009, 10:19 PM #7
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I was wondering the same thing.
Follow the same guidelines for Ego9's. It is a universal fix for the Zick2's. The whole reason that they are snapping is because the rammer "neck" if you will is being stretched by the rammer moving to far rearward in the gun, due to undertightening of the rammer cap.

The Oring is there for tension to keep the cap from coming undone, that is all. Screw your rammer cap all the way down boys.
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Old 08-27-2009, 10:29 PM #8
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Follow the same guidelines for Ego9's. It is a universal fix for the Zick2's. The whole reason that they are snapping is because the rammer "neck" if you will is being stretched by the rammer moving to far rearward in the gun, due to undertightening of the rammer cap.

The Oring is there for tension to keep the cap from coming undone, that is all. Screw your rammer cap all the way down boys.
DONE, thank you.
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Old 08-27-2009, 11:06 PM #9
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So where does Eclipse say this?

I can't find anything posted by them anywhere. Just by random people.. but maybe I dumb.
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Old 08-28-2009, 01:29 AM #10
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i just recieved a brand new zick2 kit today

is mine affected by this same thing??
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Old 08-28-2009, 03:06 AM #11
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i just recieved a brand new zick2 kit today

is mine affected by this same thing??
Yes. This new information applies to the Zick2 in general.
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I did notice that after "snugging" down the rammer cap the Z2 kit sits a bit forward in the rammer sleeve. When I air up my EGO9 it goes back to where it needs to be but I have tightened it down and it wont come off by hand.

Just make sure your rammer cap is secure and there should be no problems.
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Old 08-28-2009, 07:13 AM #13
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It is simple. Make sure your rammer cap is snug. No need to crank it down to much but snug is good. This goes for all markers.
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It is simple. Make sure your rammer cap is snug. No need to crank it down to much but snug is good. This goes for all markers.
Yeah, I was just going to say cuz next thing you know you're going to have a bunch of people stripping the threading from over tightening.
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Eclipse Monthly Tech Bulletin, Aug '09

Since releasing the SL94 marker earlier this year we have seen a small number of customers experience issues with their rammers snapping. Initially we believed that the sole cause of this was due to a fault in the metal that they were machined from, but have now revised that opinion since receive back SL94’s from two separate customers that have broken two rammers apiece.

Both of the markers that came back had their rammer caps screwed into the body loosely; finger tight if you like. When they are insufficiently tightened like this, the rammer and the bolt move further back in the body and this causes the bolt pin to hit the back of the pin slot and consequently “stretches” the head of the rammer; eventually causing it to snap if the marker is repeatedly fired in this condition.

As a result we have revised the design of the rammer so that there is now a greater margin for error with regard to the position of the rammer cap. We have already issued a small quantity of these revised rammers to our beta testers and the initial feedback is that they are working extremely well. We currently do not have any more of the revised rammers available but anticipate that they will be in stock in early September; we will of course let you know as soon as they are available.

Until the revised Rammers are available, we suggest that you inform all SL94 owners to follow these guidelines to ensure that their marker performs at its peak:
- Remove the #011 NBR 70 o-ring on the threads of the Rammer Cap and stretch a #009 NBR 70 o-ring over the rammer cap so that the cap will screw in further.
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Please distribute this information: The Zick2 Rammers that are shipping as part of Zick2 Kits are the new, improved design.

ANYONE who has recieved an aftermarket Zick2 Rammer DOES HAVE the new Rammer design.

ANYONE with an SL94 will have the OLD Rammer design. When Nicky T gets back after his paternity leave we should be instigating a program for ALL SL94 owners to get their Old Zick2 Rammers replaced.

I hope that is clear enough.

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God I LOVE this company....... Straight from the horses mouth... Love it

Glad to get clarification that My newly purchased one is the NEW design!!!
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Well, straight from the source. This information needs to get stickied!
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Please distribute this information: The Zick2 Rammers that are shipping as part of Zick2 Kits are the new, improved design.

ANYONE who has recieved an aftermarket Zick2 Rammer DOES HAVE the new Rammer design.
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What about zick2 rammers in ego9's?
if you have zick2 in an ego9, its an aftermaket part and therefore the new design, hence no issues.
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