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Old 03-24-2009, 08:23 AM #106
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Where does it say that Mary was a virgin after birthing Christ?
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Old 03-24-2009, 08:54 AM #107
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So now that's more evidence suggesting she was not a virgin. If this is the case, then the Bible lied to us. If that is the case then what's not say the entire Bible is bull****.
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Where does it say that Mary was a virgin after birthing Christ?
Apostolic tradition, non-canonical Gospels, and eisegesis of liberal translation of Greek (as mentioned).
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Old 03-24-2009, 09:13 AM #109
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Catholics.

They be messing with my Bible.
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Old 03-24-2009, 11:26 AM #110
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So now that's more evidence suggesting she was not a virgin. If this is the case, then the Bible lied to us. If that is the case then what's not say the entire Bible is bull****.
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Old 03-26-2009, 07:30 PM #111
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They be messing with my Bible.
if youre talking about halofreak, hes not catholic. catholics believe mary was a virgin, its in the nicene creed, which is pretty much the core of catholic belief
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Old 03-26-2009, 07:40 PM #112
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I think it's obvious what is happening here. There is a misunderstanding! If Jesus had brothers, what is wrong with them being born AFTER Jesus? This is what the Christian dudes in here have been trying to say, but you guys make me so much. The Catholicism reference says that this does not flow in Catholicism because Catholics believe Mary never gave birth after Jesus, making her an eternal virgin.
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Old 03-27-2009, 02:58 PM #113
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God's point of view? Your ****ting me right? How would you know what god's point of view is? Could you please forward his extension to me? I have some heavenly OGK he should check out.
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God's point of view? Your ****ting me right? How would you know what god's point of view is? Could you please forward his extension to me? I have some heavenly OGK he should check out.


we are talking about Christianity in here, after all.
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a ****ing book written by random men who think they know god does not provide God's actual point of view.
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Old 03-27-2009, 08:14 PM #116
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a ****ing book written by random men who think they know god does not provide God's actual point of view.
I think you missed the important context that hsilman wanted you to know. Actually, it's under the picture. Here, let me bold it for you.
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Old 07-20-2009, 05:39 AM #117
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Old 07-20-2009, 06:10 PM #118
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We really have to pray for folks to be saved.

Being that it takes Gods power in order for one to become a believer. Because we cannot believe on our own power. Because we have no power in and of ourselves outside of Christ. One has to be prayed for in order for that person to be able to receive salvation. Even one who wants to believe but cant for whatever reason it may be. Needs Gods Power of faith

Most people who are saved today, someone prayed for them most likely. Because the enemy had blinders on us so to speak to the point that we could not believe such supernatural spiritual things let alone comphrehend the possibilities of it or the purpose. So we acted out against it many times in ignorance. Cursing and using the name of God in vain and making derogatory and cynical comments etc etc. Its because we didnt know and we were influenced.

Ever notice its the one faith that draws such an ire in people more than anything else?

Its because Satan knows its the truth. and it irks him to no end. So he acts out through those he can influence. We are more prone to hear someone out about "New age type of living" than christianity. Because "1" the claims in christianity sound prepotsterous let alone threatening to one whose eyes havent been opened and whose hearts havent been softened. Thats why God said "Harden NOT your heart" . As much as it pains me to hear someone make such smart comments about God. I have to remember the one truly behind all of this. Hey cause I know I said somestuff before I knew better. lol

All in all its still up to the person to accept life eternal or rejecte it.

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Old 07-20-2009, 06:17 PM #119
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God said harden not your hearts to those who WERE following him...just FYI (if you are using the text from Hebrews anyway)
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God said harden not your hearts to those who WERE following him...just FYI (if you are using the text from Hebrews anyway)

You know, your absolutely right. However What I meant was to suggest not to harden your hearts against this truth but give him a chance. But I took that example from 1 samuel 6:6 when he spoke of Pharaohs maintained attitude even in the midst of wonders to still refuse.

But Good point. thanks
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Is it not God who calls whom he will call? Therefore, salvation is not gained through works, nor faith, but only by the grace of God because he chooses who he chooses and preordains who he preordains. It was even so that God chose Pharaoh and caused him to harden his heart so that greater glory might be revealed. Works are the fruit of faith, and faith is greater glory to God, but it by grace that we are saved, according to whom God will call by his Spirit who gives understanding. It is not by any of our doings that we are saved, not by works, or by faith, which is greater than works, but only by God's grace.
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Old 07-20-2009, 07:18 PM #122
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no argument here

I am in total agreement with your comment.

God has a plan for us all. If we accept Christ. But you and I know everyone will not. And God knows this too. In fact he knows exactly who is going to accept and who is going to reject to their grave or whatever. He knows everything. so in that sense yes pre-ordained works for me.

To suggest Gods pre-selected or pre-ordained people in the midst of events. means that certain people were already going to hell is to contradict Gods wish of no man to perish but for all to come to repentance. But I dont think you are suggesting that at all.

He already knows the end of the story for each one of us. We dont. we still have to live out that story.
In That,... there is a sense of pre-ordained. Because he knows, ultimately who will make it and who wont. However we are still left ultimately make the choice. And its not a one time thing. Its an every day thing.

As for Pharoah, yes absolutely, this was done to glorify God. HE already knew Pharaoh wasnt going to heed his first call for him to let israel go and avoid the plagues. he already knew what pharaohs heart was going to be like, he allowed it to be so. Doesnt mean pharaoh could not have repented though.

But maybe you missed my point just a little.



All im saying is that its important to pray for the lost. maybe someone in particular. Theres nothing wrong with praying that their hearts be touched by God to recieve his word after maybe handing them a tract or witnessing to them. Doesnt mean they are going to be saved necessarily because one prays for them. because....

In the end it still takes a willing heart above anything else.
We still have our own personal choices to make.

But prayer does change things. If its in the context of Gods will.

Not saying anything of works to move God or achieve salvation.
However, Faith without works is dead anyway.

But you have to have Faith first before any works, If any works are required at that.
Sometimes its a matter of being still. That can be consider works too.
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I am in total agreement with your comment.

God has a plan for us all. If we accept Christ. But you and I know everyone will not. And God knows this too. In fact he knows exactly who is going to accept and who is going to reject to their grave or whatever. He knows everything. so in that sense yes pre-ordained works for me.

To suggest Gods pre-selected or pre-ordained people in the midst of events. means that certain people were already going to hell is to contradict Gods wish of no man to perish but for all to come to repentance. But I dont think you are suggesting that at all.

He already knows the end of the story for each one of us. We dont. we still have to live out that story.
In That,... there is a sense of pre-ordained. Because he knows, ultimately who will make it and who wont. However we are still left ultimately make the choice. And its not a one time thing. Its an every day thing.

As for Pharoah, yes absolutely, this was done to glorify God. HE already knew Pharaoh wasnt going to heed his first call for him to let israel go and avoid the plagues. he already knew what pharaohs heart was going to be like, he allowed it to be so. Doesnt mean pharaoh could not have repented though.

But maybe you missed my point just a little.



All im saying is that its important to pray for the lost. maybe someone in particular. Theres nothing wrong with praying that their hearts be touched by God to recieve his word after maybe handing them a tract or witnessing to them. Doesnt mean they are going to be saved necessarily because one prays for them. because....

In the end it still takes a willing heart above anything else.
We still have our own personal choices to make.

But prayer does change things. If its in the context of Gods will.

Not saying anything of works to move God or achieve salvation.
However, Faith without works is dead anyway.

But you have to have Faith first before any works, If any works are required at that.
Sometimes its a matter of being still. That can be consider works too.
I don't feel like responding to this whole thing. We have an understanding enough.

So, if God does not will that anyone should perish, and prayer in God's will does indeed change things, then if you pray that all should come to repentance, will they? Me and you both already know the answer to that, so that bother answering that rhetorical question.

Salvation is not something attained or gained, but something given.

Even works have been predestined since before the beginning that we may walk in them.

If God knows everything, and everything has been "preordained" since before the beginning, and that is true, then it is so that free will is not necessarily a lie, but rather an illusion. You and I, we say us as choosing certain things, but God knows what we are doing at will do. So, in all technicality, whoever will be in heaven is already in heaven and anyone who will be in "hell" is already in hell.
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