I basically agree. I used to use Empire SE Contact pants
and the Vents Knee/Shin pads
. Of course, the knee pads still end up not staying in place and sliding down your knees... so I got the Pro Slider Shorts
. The pads in the knees (as expected) is rather thin and just don't do a good job on their own. The sliders are nice to have for the extra hip padding and such, but for the knees, you'll still want something with them. Otherwise it's like saying your jersey has padding on the elbows, so you don't need elbow pads. Yeah, it does have padding, but it's really only good if you're resting on your elbows... it's not going to help for diving.