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View Poll Results: Proper respone?
Arm the ships/crew 12 33.33%
Escort ships 1 2.78%
Private security forces on board 13 36.11%
All of the above 8 22.22%
Do nothing 2 5.56%
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Old 05-01-2009, 12:56 AM #1
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Richard Phillips on measures against pirates

The captain who was held hostage asked for more federal support in protecting shipping vessels.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/...ony/index.html

He thinks escort ships would be ideal, or private security forces on board.
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Old 05-01-2009, 01:09 AM #2
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arm the ships or crew, if they had a few .50 cal MG's that were manned at all times there would be far fewer attacks.
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If the crew doesn't want to deal with that ****, they can arm themselves.
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Old 05-01-2009, 05:44 AM #4
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Private security.
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Old 05-01-2009, 05:50 AM #5
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Or the government could just use their massive military surpluses to actually help the people.
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Or the government could just use their massive military surpluses to actually help the people.
What surpluses?

The waters off Somalia are equivalent to the entire East cost of the US.
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Old 05-01-2009, 05:56 AM #7
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What surpluses?

The waters off Somalia are equivalent to the entire East cost of the US.
With the soon coming withdrawal in Iraq we'll have plenty of small ships and cruisers that can escort civilian freighters across dangerous seas.
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Old 05-01-2009, 06:05 AM #8
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With the soon coming withdrawal in Iraq we'll have plenty of small ships and cruisers that can escort civilian freighters across dangerous seas.
Uhh, no we don't. Troops in Iraq are GROUND troops. Not navy. If it were as simple as tasking more ships it would have been done already.
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Well that's where you are wrong. There are plenty of ships still stationed off the coast of Iraq to provide missile support.
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Perhaps we could start escorting them in loose convys of sorts, where you have one naval ship within a certain number of miles of a group of cargo/cruise ships at all times so that if one of the convoy spots pirates the naval ship will be able to respond or launch a fast attack boat to put some lead onto the pirates with greater speed.
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Old 05-01-2009, 07:35 AM #11
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With the soon coming withdrawal in Iraq we'll have plenty of small ships and cruisers that can escort civilian freighters across dangerous seas.
I'm glad we have an armchair admiral in this thread, who knows all about naval warfare
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you do know there are naval ships supporting the troops in Iraq and watching the Persian Gulf. An entire carrier battle group I do believe.
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Old 05-01-2009, 09:09 AM #13
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For larger ships some 50's or a mark 19 would probably do the trick. For smaller ships barbed wire and small arms would be a reasonable precaution.
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mark 19's is over kill and the average joe wouldn't know how to use it effectively

4 browning .50 mg's on the corners of the ship and maybe 2 LMG at the mid point. the rest of the crew armed with small arms.
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Old 05-01-2009, 09:15 AM #15
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how about, everyone in this thread who's consistently been for small gov't doesn't keep supporting using our troops to support private vessels.

I vote for they can do whatever the **** they want, but they should receive gov't aid for any of it.
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Old 05-01-2009, 10:21 AM #16
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I'm sure Phillips is a good captain, but in this case he isn't making any sense.

Military escorts would be outrageously expensive and probably impossible given the number of merchant ships on the ocean. And you can arm the ships all you want at millions of dollars each, but the pirates will always be able to beat you. They have access to pretty much whatever weapons they need.

This would be a great job for the nuclear powered UAVs that are sometimes talked about. We tried nuclear powered planes in the 50's and 60's but we couldn't figure out how to adequately shield the crew. Nuclear UAVs that could fly at jet speed for months at a time could constantly patrol the area and go in for the kill when necessary.

Of course there are a lot of really cool applications for nuclear robot war planes.
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How about possibly keeping one or two ships in the area for quick response and deterrence?
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How about possibly keeping one or two ships in the area for quick response and deterrence?
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The waters off Somalia are equivalent to the entire East cost of the US.
kind of hard to have "quick response" over that kind of area.
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The captain who was held hostage asked for more federal support in protecting shipping vessels.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/...ony/index.html

He thinks escort ships would be ideal, or private security forces on board.
Escort ships, I'm assuming you mean U.S. Navy warships by that, are a terrible idea. Why should the taxpayers fund security for private companies? The Navies responsibility lies in protecting the country, not providing free security for corporations.

Now if the corporations were to assume the full financial burden of being escorted if ships were available but not guaranteed at all times, that might influence my opinion in the opposite direction.

Its the same idea as calling the police and telling them you need protection because someone is trying to kill you. They'll tell you to call back when the attacker shows up at your house with a gun, but until then they aren't able to do anything about it.
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Escort ships, I'm assuming you mean U.S. Navy warships by that, are a terrible idea. Why should the taxpayers fund security for private companies? The Navies responsibility lies in protecting the country, not providing free security for corporations.

Now if the corporations were to assume the full financial burden of being escorted if ships were available but not guaranteed at all times, that might influence my opinion in the opposite direction.

Its the same idea as calling the police and telling them you need protection because someone is trying to kill you. They'll tell you to call back when the attacker shows up at your house with a gun, but until then they aren't able to do anything about it.
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Not to mention the amount of traffic that passes through that area makes it a costly event to wait until an organized convoy can be made. We're talking numerous different flagged ships going to and from different destinations and going to different ports of call, most of which travel at differing speeds.

To make a convoy all those ships would need to meet at set times, wait for the convoy to come together, travel together at the lowest common denominator speed, etc.
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