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Old 02-04-2009, 11:08 PM #22
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Old 02-05-2009, 11:57 AM #23
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Man you ***** about everything.
So what? I am trying to put my team through this and it's hard.
You ***** just as much.
Don't you want lower entry fees?
Oh wait, you must get everything for free therefore you must not care
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So what? I am trying to put my team through this and it's hard.
You ***** just as much.
Don't you want lower entry fees?
Oh wait, you must get everything for free therefore you must not care
The entry fees are lower.
I must not care? Sorry but paintball is my life, work, fun friends ect. I just find it funny that they entry fees are lower and you are still *****ing about it. The USPL has to make money or they will end up like the NPPL did. Do you want that to happen?
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Old 02-05-2009, 12:17 PM #25
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regardless, the entry fee's are lower and the prizes are higher across all divisions when compared to the NPPL's prices. and then when you compare to the PSP (the direct competitor of the USPL):

DI $2,800 ($450 more)
DII $2,500 ($350 more)
DIII $2,350 ($500 more)

MUCH more expensive. with the NPPL no longer relevant, the USPL becomes more affordable when compared to the PSP, thus more appealing to teams. along with the reduced travel costs of four events to count for the "national" title and 3 events for each of the "conference titles", it makes it cheaper than the competition.
Not really.... As you split the cost of an Xball team between more players then you do a 7 man team. Many Xball teams bring 12 (I dunno why, but they do) in D1 that works out to $235a player. Most 7 man teams bring 9, works out to $311 a player

Its a 100% totally different format, to try to compare the two is somewhat foolish and 99% of the time is going to work to the PSP's advantage, because they have executed the idea.
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Old 02-05-2009, 12:31 PM #26
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The entry fees are lower.
I must not care? Sorry but paintball is my life, work, fun friends ect. I just find it funny that they entry fees are lower and you are still *****ing about it. The USPL has to make money or they will end up like the NPPL did. Do you want that to happen?
No i do not want that to happen. However, when a company promises lower prices in order to help out teams, i expect them to lower the damn price to something reasonable.
Are you actually going to sit there and say that a $100 dollar lower fee, is a reasonable price cut? Thats less than 5%.

Look man, 100$ off entry compared to last year does not cut it. Yes technically they are a bit lower, but ****, when the USPL first announced its intention they specifically stated "lower entry fees" and they made it sound like they were on the war path to lower them considerably.
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No i do not want that to happen. However, when a company promises lower prices in order to help out teams, i expect them to lower the damn price to something reasonable.
Are you actually going to sit there and say that a $100 dollar lower fee, is a reasonable price cut? Thats less than 5%.

Look man, 100$ off entry compared to last year does not cut it. Yes technically they are a bit lower, but ****, when the USPL first announced its intention they specifically stated "lower entry fees" and they made it sound like they were on the war path to lower them considerably.
Just wondering, what do you think fair entry fee's would be?
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Old 02-05-2009, 02:11 PM #28
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I am for a sub 2000 entry fee.
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No i do not want that to happen. However, when a company promises lower prices in order to help out teams, i expect them to lower the damn price to something reasonable.
Are you actually going to sit there and say that a $100 dollar lower fee, is a reasonable price cut? Thats less than 5%.

Look man, 100$ off entry compared to last year does not cut it. Yes technically they are a bit lower, but ****, when the USPL first announced its intention they specifically stated "lower entry fees" and they made it sound like they were on the war path to lower them considerably.
You do know if you do not like it you do not have to play right. I am sure there are other events in the US that have sub $2000 entry fees that you and your team could play.
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I am for a sub 2000 entry fee.
So in one case everything is fine in your eyes (d3)
And D2 is only $150 over.. And like you said $100 only works out to $12 a person.

Sounds like you want to nickel and dime things...

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Old 02-05-2009, 02:39 PM #31
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You do know if you do not like it you do not have to play right. I am sure there are other events in the US that have sub $2000 entry fees that you and your team could play.
Yes i am well aware of that. Does that mean im not going to try and suggest they lower entry fees for d1?

HOw about this? Why not offer the same entry fees for d1 that d2 has, or closer to it?

That would be a reasonable thing. Perhaps it will stimulate more growth for d1.
I realize that d1 prize package is very attractive, but if you lower that a bit in order to compensate for entry fee change, it will become more attractive, in my opinion.
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I have ALWAYS thought entry's needed flipped.
You should have to PAY to be a rookie..

$2000 for D3 - 10% of prize funds
$1500 for D2 - 15% of prize funds
$1000 for D1 - 75% of prize funds

Give the people who have been with the the longest the larger price cut, and magically sandbagging fixes itself..

But... it will never happen..

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I have ALWAYS thought entry's needed flipped.
You should have to PAY to be a rookie..

$2000 for D3 - 10% of prize funds
$1500 for D2 - 15% of prize funds
$1000 for D1 - 75% of prize funds

Give the people who have been with the the longest the larger price cut, and magically sandbagging fixes itself..

But... it will never happen..

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one of the more reasonable ideas stated here.
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I have ALWAYS thought entry's needed flipped.
You should have to PAY to be a rookie..

$2000 for D3 - 10% of prize funds
$1500 for D2 - 15% of prize funds
$1000 for D1 - 75% of prize funds

Give the people who have been with the the longest the larger price cut, and magically sandbagging fixes itself..

But... it will never happen..

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good idea
those prices seem rather extreme though and higher divisions usually require better ref's so from a business standpoint that doesn't make any sense
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i have also wondered about the different entry fees for different divisions.
Why not have the same entry fee for everyone?
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i have also wondered about the different entry fees for different divisions.
Why not have the same entry fee for everyone?
so then do you suggest having the same prize package for every division? there wouldn't be an incentive to compete at a higher level without more money on the line.

i'm all for lowered entry fees, but i feel like they always have to increase as the competition increases to keep the winnings high.
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Old 02-05-2009, 06:38 PM #37
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i have also wondered about the different entry fees for different divisions.
Why not have the same entry fee for everyone?
Won't force people to progress through the rankings.

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Old 02-05-2009, 06:40 PM #38
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well that is a good point. Teams are forced to move up because of classification. Thats the way they do it in the psp (i think), so there would be no incentive.
Once you reach d1, the only other logical step is pro. Until you get picked up by a pro, you could just live at d1.

The question is, why should moving up the ranks be a player choice? Shouldn't it be a league choice?
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it should be a choice of both the player and the league. its like a tug-of-war

on one end you have the the player who always strives to be better. we all want to be pro. we want to be considered an elite player with good skills who can compete at a high level. but at the same time, we want to win and we want to win money, and its easier to win playing lower ranked teams in lower divisions.

so we feel this drive to be better, but hate losing to better teams, so people sandbag and hope to walk away with a couple thousand. thats where the league comes in and needs to enforce players ranks and keep them progressing up the chain to keep it fair for the less experienced.
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Old 02-05-2009, 07:58 PM #40
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it should be a choice of both the player and the league. its like a tug-of-war

on one end you have the the player who always strives to be better. we all want to be pro. we want to be considered an elite player with good skills who can compete at a high level. but at the same time, we want to win and we want to win money, and its easier to win playing lower ranked teams in lower divisions.

so we feel this drive to be better, but hate losing to better teams, so people sandbag and hope to walk away with a couple thousand. thats where the league comes in and needs to enforce players ranks and keep them progressing up the chain to keep it fair for the less experienced.
hate to break it to you but if you are losing to better teams you are not getting better. Doesn't matter what division you are in.
As it stands, a D2 player/team can stay at D2 as long as they want.

Sandbagging really only applies to the Rookie level and maybe D2 to some extent. If you are a good D2 player/team a sandbagging player will have less of an impact than say on a rookie team.

By making all entry fees the same and moving players/teams based on a points system + time in the division will eliminate a lot of issues i think.
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if the entry fees in the lower divisions were more costly it might turn away newer players.
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I really do not see the USPL changing anything after they have posted this info. It looks good to me and from what I have been told it sounds like it might be fun to play.
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