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Old 02-01-2009, 03:47 PM #22
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I believe using APPA is the wisest decision. It is universal and actually keeps track of a players history. I can tell you I played on a Pro team last year in 7 man (I did not) and I would have no way of proving it, or you disproving it.
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But, yes, I agree with the rest of your post.
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Old 02-01-2009, 05:36 PM #23
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I have a question. I saw that D3 5man cant have any players with NPPl exp. Does that include people that only played pump? Myself and a team mate played pump in one nppl event and were just wondering.
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Old 02-01-2009, 05:36 PM #24
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But, yes, I agree with the rest of your post.
And I second that.

A universal classification system would be the best...and it's not like APPA could monopolize a classification system, lol.

But APPA seems like the most stable classification system, and the best one for all leagues..
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Old 02-01-2009, 05:50 PM #25
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APPA should be used, even if just temporarily. It's a database that's all set up and ready to go.
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Old 02-01-2009, 06:26 PM #26
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Thanks for all of your input guys. If we do use the APPA system however, we will need to pay tens of thousands of dollars to use that software and their services (they would be handling all registration duties between and at events, we would be using their equipment, etc.). The only way to pay for this would be by charging for ID Cards. I just want to set your expectations and make sure there aren't any false hopes out there for not having to pay for an ID card.
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Old 02-01-2009, 06:28 PM #27
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Regarding 5-man, you can play in that division having just played pump. A full detailed explanation of classifications will come out once we determine which system we will be using.

On a different note - watching the game and has anyone seen any good commercials yet? Seems a little light this year to me
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Old 02-01-2009, 06:39 PM #28
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Regarding 5-man, you can play in that division having just played pump. A full detailed explanation of classifications will come out once we determine which system we will be using.

On a different note - watching the game and has anyone seen any good commercials yet? Seems a little light this year to me
Yeah I'm watching the superbowl also, I haven't seen any good commercials either. Steelers ftw..

But on topic, I think everyone is used to an extra cost for an ID card. I wouldn't mind it anyways.
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Old 02-01-2009, 06:47 PM #29
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Regarding 5-man, you can play in that division having just played pump. A full detailed explanation of classifications will come out once we determine which system we will be using.

On a different note - watching the game and has anyone seen any good commercials yet? Seems a little light this year to me

Thanks a lot man..... Also the doritos commercial with the snow globe was hilarious
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Old 02-01-2009, 07:12 PM #30
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Thanks for all of your input guys. If we do use the APPA system however, we will need to pay tens of thousands of dollars to use that software and their services (they would be handling all registration duties between and at events, we would be using their equipment, etc.). The only way to pay for this would be by charging for ID Cards. I just want to set your expectations and make sure there aren't any false hopes out there for not having to pay for an ID card.

We paid for NPPL ID cards in the past... I don't see a problem with that.


We should push for Chris Raehl to make a single APPA ID card for each season, good at both USPL and PSP events (and all events under the APPA umbrella). ID cards would be a one-time thing, but registration for it could be seperate fees for each league, to help out that cost.

...I wouldn't mind that.
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Old 02-01-2009, 08:00 PM #31
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We paid for NPPL ID cards in the past... I don't see a problem with that.


We should push for Chris Raehl to make a single APPA ID card for each season, good at both USPL and PSP events (and all events under the APPA umbrella). ID cards would be a one-time thing, but registration for it could be seperate fees for each league, to help out that cost.

...I wouldn't mind that.
One standardized card for all leagues would be so dope. No reason not to use APPA.
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Old 02-01-2009, 09:23 PM #32
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One standardized card for all leagues would be so dope. No reason not to use APPA.
That would be a problem. A certain classification in one league doesn't necessarily transfer over to the same classification in another. So being a universal D1 doesn't make it so, because not all teams use D status. There are leagues who still use Amature, Novice, and Rookie.

I'm not disagreeing with you. It would be nice not having to pay for a PSP ID, a CFOA ID, an EPL ID, and a USPL ID, but it doesn't seem very feasible.

On another note, I'm pretty sure most players have become accustom to paying for ID's period, so I wouldn't see a problem with the USPL charging for ID's as well.
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Old 02-01-2009, 10:24 PM #33
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a unified ranking system across the leagues would be the best decision i think.

if your a professional football player in the NFL your are a professional football player period

if your a professional paintball player in one league you are a professional paintballer period



there should be no differences between the leagues. that goes for all divisions
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Old 02-01-2009, 10:57 PM #34
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^^^^^^ T-UP


however, (correct me if im wrong) Chris would be doing 2X the work (registering a player through 2 leagues, and making the same amount of money.

OR maybe its 125% of the work, so maybe ID cards will b 75% off?
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Old 02-01-2009, 11:04 PM #35
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no i dont think it would be twice the work, you register for the USPL on the drop down menu on paintball-players.org just like any other event that uses the APPA system

it would require "work" as far as specifics go but not twice as much i dont think.
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Old 02-02-2009, 12:56 AM #36
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has anyone thought that just bc uspl uses the appa.. doesnt mean that u have to have the same ranking for psp and uspl.. its just a way to keep track of the history a player has done..

for instance.. person who has played cfoa. psp. and now uspl.. has all the events they been with since 03 or 04. and now they try to play d3uspl. but ur ranked d1 in psp.. u may or may not b a beast in uspl. but atleast they can know wat u have been playing.. instead of using a system like the w/e nppl used last year.. were they have no prior records.

idk just a thought.. or a idea floating in my head.

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^^valid point b ut how many psp players lean on ramping and have no real gun skills? not all but there are alot!
honestly this is one of the most narowminded pathetic post ive seen.. and i hate when ppl say that. i play both nppl and psp since 05.. and honestly i run around in nppl and do the most silly crap i can pull. bc its to easy.

i also say. take a div3 team that say places top 3 or above overall. and play them in a best 2 outa 3 in both xball and 7man. against a div 3 team that places top 3 or above overall. and im gona bet that the xball team beats them. same with d2. once u get into d1 and above most not all top level teams play both anyway.. so.

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if i can shoot faster than you when snapping out, im gonna have a better chance to hit you, considering everything else is even. its called the law of probability...
it only matters if ur first ball is in the right place.. other paint in the air doesnt do anything. 99% of the time. when ppl see paint in the air or someone snap at them they go in their bunker.. that is till u get in the higher divisions.


edit-- i say use appa.. simply bc ppl pay for id cards anyway.. and paid for nppl id cards. i dont think paying is a problem.. not only that. a vast majority of paintball players who play nationaly in the past 5 years. have played a psp.. useing the appa would just b a great way to keep track of the history of a player. rather then have the person lie and say hes something different. when appa doesnt lie over this many years.

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Old 02-02-2009, 01:55 AM #37
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Learn from the NPPL's mistakes. Use APPA. As has been said, rankings in APPA are different based on the league, but you'd have your player history all in one place. The APPA does provide a good system, and based on the price I paid for my PSP ID, the cost seems reasonable and in line with the price I paid in the NPPL.
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Old 02-02-2009, 10:19 AM #38
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if you use appa, you are only ranking the PSP players and so on. die hard nppl players can start off playing any rank.

so imo, its dumb. they should not correspond to one another.

i dont really care because i know what im playing already in the USPL, i just want to be able to still play other leagues! please dont leave more players in the 'cant play' grey area
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Just because they use APPA does not mean they cannot carry rankings over, but they also need to find access to the former NPPL rankings if they have not already.
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Old 02-02-2009, 10:37 AM #40
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a unified ranking system across the leagues would be the best decision i think.

if your a professional football player in the NFL your are a professional football player period

if your a professional paintball player in one league you are a professional paintballer period



there should be no differences between the leagues. that goes for all divisions
So when that stupid XFL league existed, or even now the AFL, just because you are a pro player in the AFL you are automatically a pro player in the NFL? Not quite, you might want to re-think that.

I like the idea of one card, but at the same time the APPA is a business, I would assume 1 universal card for PSP / USPL would cost $80, if you play CFOA and want 1 card for all 3 it would cost 120 (assuming they all cost $40)

Then maybe have holograms on the front of the card to show each league.

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Old 02-02-2009, 10:56 AM #41
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The use of the APPA system is a must. It simply is the best system available for paintball classification, and it only makes sense to keep a players history in one database. The first season might have some ranking hiccups, but it will over time level out and be the best solution for paintball.

As far as getting access to the NPPL's old classification system, it was such a joke it would even be worth getting or trying to adapt. Playing the NPPL for the past 5 years, it seemed alright to begin with, but over the past two or three seasons you could get away with alot. I have seen players play a d2 or d1 then go to the next event and play d3. I have seen d1 teams with 3 or 4 semi pro players on them. I personally played an nppl event in 07 without being rostered or having an ID, not because i was trying to be sneaky, but because the registration process was such a mess they told me I could play just to come back later and get it straightened out, which i didnt bother with. Anyone who had some talking skills could get one of those blue temporary id's and play whatever they wanted. The system was easily manipulated, and very inconsistant.
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we need a unified classification system. And we need to start somewhere, so maybe a couple people get to slip by this year.....but eventually it will be better for all!!!!!



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