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Old 11-24-2008, 04:24 PM #1
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How hard is it?

Ive seen it done before but i was wondering how hard is it to put a Spyder Rocking Trigger Frame on an Autococker body??? im really thinking about doing this project

edit: what guns can a rocking trigger frame be easily installed onto? (besides spyders)
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Old 11-24-2008, 05:13 PM #2
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Anything that uses a clapper 'noid. Just align it with the sear and drop in a 'cocker board and your set.
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Old 11-24-2008, 06:32 PM #3
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what about timmys?
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Old 11-24-2008, 06:48 PM #4
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Why do you want too use a rocking trigger anyways. But no they cant be used on an EP guns like timmys. Only spyders, pirhanas, and such. Maybe an autococker, but that would require lots of work.
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Old 11-24-2008, 07:10 PM #5
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ive been infatuated at the rocking trigger for some reason and ive always wanted to see it on a gun besides a spyder
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Old 11-24-2008, 07:23 PM #6
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wasnt the old electra with rocking trigger banned from the nppl cause you could shoot to fast or something like that
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Old 11-24-2008, 07:47 PM #7
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wasnt the old electra with rocking trigger banned from the nppl cause you could shoot to fast or something like that
yeah, it was too easy to switch to full auto so it was banned (i think)
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Old 11-24-2008, 07:58 PM #8
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NPPL rules say that you can only have one switch per trigger, and only one trigger (or something like that) and since the rocking trigger uses 2 microswitch's, it's banned.
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Old 11-24-2008, 09:15 PM #9
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so to get back on topic, is there any other gun besides a spyder that you could put a rocking trigger frame on (with next to none work)?
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theres the rocking ep frame form scenario dreams
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Old 11-24-2008, 09:26 PM #11
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theres the rocking ep frame form scenario dreams
link?
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Old 11-24-2008, 09:35 PM #12
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didnt the osiris cockers have rocking frames before the spyder?
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http://www.scenariodreams.com/index.html

heres the site but I couldnt find the rocking frames anymore. look for damon will on the forums and ask him personally.
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Old 11-24-2008, 09:42 PM #14
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is that 2 LPRs?
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Old 11-24-2008, 09:52 PM #16
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ive seen that gun before, im pretty sure it was sold for 900 and it looks like a ton of work went into it
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Old 11-24-2008, 09:57 PM #17
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i found this vid of an automag with a rocking frame: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZVNjxdqt5A

im rly interested in doing this now that ive seen this kid did it and make a sick looking gun
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is that 2 LPRs?
One supplies the ram with air and the lower one supplies air to a second noid that powers a rammer. It's like a cocker and a fasor mixed together.
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i still want to get my hands on that gun.
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Old 11-24-2008, 11:37 PM #20
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haha thats sick. And with the automag and spyder rocking triggar frame. i have looked into . and wanted to do it. all you need to do flip both of the sears so that they work together and your set.....also look into a emago (ego trig frame on a automag)

ive don tthe 68 with a spyder rocking triggar frame (not doing it again for others) but look into on PBN there is stickys on it. good luck
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Old 11-25-2008, 01:05 AM #21
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ive seen that gun before, im pretty sure it was sold for 900 and it looks like a ton of work went into it
If by "work", you mean custom work by an end user, then not actually. That is a PGI Osiris. Technically that is a factory setup. Unless the halfblock was done custom; other then that, the trigger frame, dual lprs, body milling, etc, were all done by PGI.

Just because that is a rocking trigger on a cocker, does not mean you can just slap a Spyder rocking frame on a cocker and make it work. The only similarity between the two is fact that the trigger contacts 2 microswitches. The Spyder frame and board power 1 clapper noid, and have a traditional sear setup. The PGI frame and board have to cycle 2 solenoids, and don't even have a sear; there is a solenoid valve hidden in the frame (which is fed by the 2nd LPR), and a FASOR ram and hammer in the lower tube.

Not all Osiris kits had the rocking frame anyway; some of them used ANS Raceframes. The important thing to note, is that these frames were both designed for autocockers. The circuit boards are designed to run the 2 solenoid cycle of the autococker. No frame and board designed for a single solenoid gun will operate an autococker properly. The most common example is an Ego-framed cocker, it has been done many, many times. However, they usually are modified to accept Eblade boards; the Ego board will not work in a cocker. So, a Spyder frame will simply not work on a cocker; even if you get the frame mounted to the gun, the circuit board in the rocking frame will not cycle the cocker.

So, the problem is the circuit board. Now, you could use a dual-solenoid Universal T-Board (which will work in the cocker), and I'm sure there is some way you could wire up both microswitches to it. You would also have the problem that the cocker sear and spyder sear are different; the easiest way around this is to use an MQ valve in the cocker. Basically, the UTB and MQ valve make it possible to mount any frame on a cocker, but requires ALOT of custom work. I hate to sound cliche, but the response heard most on these forums is "if you have to ask if it's possible, you don't have the skill to do it".

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Ive seen it done before but i was wondering how hard is it to put a Spyder Rocking Trigger Frame on an Autococker body??? im really thinking about doing this project

edit: what guns can a rocking trigger frame be easily installed onto? (besides spyders)

There won't be any gun that it can be "easily" installed onto. Theoretically it would drive any single-solenoid gun, but there are problems there too. Supposed you put it on an Ego; you would need to disconnect the clapper noid and sear from the Spyder frame, and hook up the Ego solenoid valve instead. In concept, pretty simple. The problems that will arise then are related to the circuit board, and timing. Sear-tripper solenoids (often called clapper or pancake noids) often have a high power draw, but for only a very short time. For example, the Solenoid On time for an Eblade sear noid is capped at a max of 4 microseconds. The default dwell time for the Ego solenoid valve is 10 microseconds. Also, it must be adjustable to tune the marker. The dwell time on a sear-tripper like the Spyder has no impact on it, and is therefore probably not even adjustable.

So, again, if you want to put the frame on a different gun, then you're probably going to have to change circuit boards. The only other option is to put it on some other type of sear-tripper, in which case you might as well just leave it on the Spyder.
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