I cant decide. Jt Pro pants or the new 08 reds. My knees are getting to old and I need a good pair that has the best padding for knees. And also the hips. Doesnít look like the reds had that much padding. If you own any of these please advise. I donít have a store that sells them so I cant just go look and see. I also like the eclipse..but wow those cost to much.