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Old 03-28-2008, 01:40 PM #22
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Old 03-28-2008, 01:41 PM #23
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Different definitely does not always mean good. That's just as likely a reason not to vote for the guy.


I really hope you're not serious about thinking Rushbo should be indicted for voter fraud
So don't vote for someone because they want something different in Washington? I can see your point, when you say different isn't always good. But in the case of Washington, the current politics are really not working. Something needs to be changed.
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Old 03-28-2008, 01:41 PM #24
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Things are going to last like they are all chearfull and everyone doing there grand old things. I'm not looking 10 years ahead, not 25, but maybe 50 there will be a global dispute leading to outbreak of war like history has ALWAYS pointed towards. War has been part of history in the past and will be in the future. You can be in denial, say that we should bow down because we are "too powerful".
I'm not really sure where you're going with this.

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I just don't understand people like you that say we shouldn't be the most powerful. We should be less of a superpower would be a good thing. Just enlighten me to as why its so bad? Maybe I was brought up from a different generation than you, but my grandparent's generation would've probably spit on you.
I'm not saying we shouldn't be the most powerful, I'm just wondering why some consider the title of "global superpower" to be an innately important thing. Plenty of countries don't foster the "superpower" title, yet they continue to prosper economically. Don't you think it would be much more productive to garner an equilibrium of relations with economic partners than to see whose dick hangs lower on the global scale?

My grandparents generation would probably spit on me as well, but that doesn't make them correct. It just means they like spitting on people
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Old 03-28-2008, 02:26 PM #25
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I'm not really sure where you're going with this.


I'm not saying we shouldn't be the most powerful, I'm just wondering why some consider the title of "global superpower" to be an innately important thing. Plenty of countries don't foster the "superpower" title, yet they continue to prosper economically. Don't you think it would be much more productive to garner an equilibrium of relations with economic partners than to see whose dick hangs lower on the global scale?

My grandparents generation would probably spit on me as well, but that doesn't make them correct. It just means they like spitting on people
I couldn't agree more. Look at us, we have the big superpower title, yet we are lacking in so many things compared to other nations. Basically we have a good economy and a strong military, plus we've shown we aren't afraid to use it if you **** with us, i.e. all our military action all over the world.

Superpower is cool if you don't do things such as use your military force to build a military empire all over the world and use this force to have a stronger position in world politics. I point to the large number of prosperous European countries with good economies, excellent standard of livings, and aren't a superpower.
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Superpower is cool if you don't do things such as use your military force to build a military empire all over the world and use this force to have a stronger position in world politics. I point to the large number of prosperous European countries with good economies, excellent standard of livings, and aren't a superpower.
Actually, most European economies aren't that strong, have far lower standard of livings, and have far higher unemployment.
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Actually, most European economies aren't that strong, have far lower standard of livings, and have far higher unemployment.
Very true.


So who's this guy Romney that everyone is talking about? Oh wait if its not Paul he must be a neo-con! NEO CON!!!! He has money and he's a political leader!

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Old 03-28-2008, 03:27 PM #28
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So who's this guy Romney that everyone is talking about? Oh wait if its not Paul he must be a neo-con! NEO CON!!!! He has money and he's a political leader! NEO CON!!!!!
I've grown to despise the term Neo-Con because it is thrown around so loosely and without an actual analysis of someone's politics.
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Old 03-28-2008, 03:44 PM #29
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Actually, most European economies aren't that strong, have far lower standard of livings, and have far higher unemployment.
I point to Norway, Netherlands, Sweden, Germany, France. All those are great countries to live in, just as good as America, but people have this idea that we need to be a superpower in order to live the best, which is completely false, we lag behind in a lot of things, education, health care, and domestic affairs in general.
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So who's this guy Romney that everyone is talking about? Oh wait if its not Paul he must be a neo-con! NEO CON!!!! He has money and he's a political leader! NEO CON!!!!!
So you really think Romney is a true conservative? One that values fiscal responsibility? Don't think so, if he did he would be saying things a lot different then, "Double Guantanamo!". One of McCain's foreign policy advisers is William Kristol, self-proclaimed neo-con, good enough evidence for me.
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I've grown to despise the term Neo-Con because it is thrown around so loosely and without an actual analysis of someone's politics.
If the shoe fits. The right does the same thing with the word "liberal." It is constantly tossed around as some blasphemous term/belief without even an "actual analysis of someone's politics." Pot meet kettle. But I'm sure you are are familiar with that introduction.
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The choice for VP is clear.

Republicans get win back both the chick and black vote in two words: Condoleezza Rice.

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Old 03-28-2008, 09:12 PM #32
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So who's this guy Romney that everyone is talking about? Oh wait if its not Paul he must be a neo-con! NEO CON!!!! He has money and he's a political leader! NEO CON!!!!!

No one said that, at all. I think Romney is a decent guy, but he isn't the savior 'true Republican' people make him out to be. Just like Reagen. People point to Reagen as a 'true' Conservative, although he artificially rose taxes and increased the size of Government drastically in some places.
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Old 03-28-2008, 10:11 PM #33
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I point to Norway, Netherlands, Sweden, Germany, France. All those are great countries to live in, just as good as America, but people have this idea that we need to be a superpower in order to live the best, which is completely false, we lag behind in a lot of things, education, health care, and domestic affairs in general.
Except Norway, the US has a higher GDP per capita than any of those countries by a good margin.

If Germany, France, and Italy were American states they would be among the poorest in the country. Only five American states have lower GDP per capita rankings than they do. They also have unemployment rates of over 10%, it could be argued that poor Americans have higher standards of living than average Europeans.

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Most Americans have a standard of living which the majority of Europeans will never come anywhere near [...]. in the U.S. a large 45.9% of the 'poor' own their homes, 72.8% have a car and almost 77% have air conditioning, which remains a luxury in most of Western Europe. The average living space for poor American households is 1,200 square feet. In Europe, the average space for all households, not just the poor, is 1,000 square feet.
EU vs. USA

That's a Swedish study, too.

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No one said that, at all. I think Romney is a decent guy, but he isn't the savior 'true Republican' people make him out to be. Just like Reagen. People point to Reagen as a 'true' Conservative, although he artificially rose taxes and increased the size of Government drastically in some places.
Just a few posts earlier you called Romney a douche. And if you don't think Reagan is a 'true' Conservative, you must have a very narrow view of what makes a Conservative. Ron Paul is not the only 'true' conservative and Paul supported Reagan in his early presidential campaigns.
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If the shoe fits. The right does the same thing with the word "liberal." It is constantly tossed around as some blasphemous term/belief without even an "actual analysis of someone's politics." Pot meet kettle. But I'm sure you are are familiar with that introduction.
Name one current presidential candidate who does not espouse a majority of liberal policies.

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Name one current presidential candidate who does not espouse a majority of liberal policies.

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The people are about to nominate the most liberal current congressman in Obama....but, no, he's not a far left liberal .

I know McCain isn't much better, but at least he holds some conservative values and Romney will bring in the economic experience needed.
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The people are about to nominate the most liberal current congressman in Obama....but, no, he's not a far left liberal .
He is a certainly not a bulldog democrat, but he has also shown that he is willing to work towards partisan solutions.
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Republicans get win back both the chick and black vote in two words: Condoleezza Rice.

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The fact that she isn't yet leaves me with some faith in America, that we're just not that superficial yet.
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