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View Poll Results: The only reason racism exists is because black people can't let it go
I strongly agree with this statement 14 14.43%
I somewhat agree with this statement 37 38.14%
I do not agree or disagree with this statement 2 2.06%
I somewhat disagree with this statement 15 15.46%
I strongly disagree with this statement 29 29.90%
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Old 03-26-2008, 07:49 PM #64
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I think you're neglecting the fact that they need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.

I, as a white American, having grown up in a middle class family, feel that the blacks need to stop being so poor all the time. I mean, there must be an equal opportunity for them to be educated and assimilated into the business culture as there is for me. Look at the blacks that make it. They go out and get good jobs and make it to the top. So it's possible.

That means that all the blacks that don't make it are simply not pulling on their bootstraps hard enough. Might I suggest gloves, or larger bootstraps perhaps?
While I strongly believe in personal responsibility and a "you get what you earn" mentality, I believe it'd be a stretch to say that inner city African Americans have an equal opportunity for education (and thus assimilation into the business culture). Inner city resources are not as robust as those in other, more wealthy school systems.

Of course, going through high school, getting good grades, and holding down a job for money is do-able. It is done all of the time by many Americans. So, there is no reason why someone should not be able to get decent grades in high school, graduate, and hold down a job during the whole ordeal. This opens the door to college (or if finances / grades are an issue, community college).

Yet, I believe that the government should try to curb the lacking facilities in inner city schools, curb crime / gang behavior, and curb drug abuse. It doesn't have to solely target the black community, but it should target inner city communities.

This way, the government would not be pulling them along, but simply help improve society by seeing to problems that have been plaguing inner city American communities for decades. The government's job isn't to make everyone succeed but to ensure that everyone has a fair shot at doing so. You believe that black communities do have a fair shot, and you may be right. I, however, think that some areas still need to be addressed.
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Old 03-26-2008, 08:00 PM #65
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It isn't 1965 anymore, we accomplished everything in the civil rights movement. The only things holding blacks down anymore are just cultural, societal, and mental issues. Some blacks have it pretty poorly off, but there is nothing stopping them from succeeding. We can still help them, but how much more should we do? In Chicago they spend more per child on public education then they do in my old hometown which is known for having amazing public education.
The sentence I bolded is my first clue that you may be a little underinformed on this particular topic. The civil rights movement was brought to a screeching hault by the assassination/murder of many of its leaders. Medgar Evars, MLK, El Hajj Malik El Shabazz and the list goes on.

Second....in terms of the things that blacks have ATTEMPTING to hold them down, prejudice and that great glass ceiling are still realities. I won't allow anyone to hold me back personally (my dad always told me to shoot for the moon that way if you fall short you'll be among the stars), but I have experienced racism in my chosen profession on more than once occassion. I'm not talking about someone looking at me wrong and me saying, "Ooooh he must not like black people." Or getting passed over for a job and saying, " they passed me over because I'm black." I have experienced overt racism which was still masked just enough to keep it from the light of day.

Anywho, you sound like you have an open mind and I hope that as you continue to learn in college and seek knowledge, that you may come into a fuller understanding of the injustices around you.

I will give you this though....someone once said that "You are not responsible for the person who knocked you down, but you are responsible for getting back up." That said, I do believe that too many people of all nationalities allow themselves to be victims. Black folk too. As a black person whose been in the unique position to bring more minorities into a field with very very few, very very few have actually followed through with learning what I know so they could make better futures for themselves.

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minorities always feel great playing the victim card, and making it out to be that life is so hard for them and that all us white folks no nothing and owe them something?

I'm sorry victims, but that hatchet was buried a long time ago, time to grow up and get over it.
Sorry, many poor white people do the same thing. Only they direct it specifically at the govt and, nowadays, immigrants. Actually, that hatchet is buried. You're right. Problem is that it is buried in the backs of the very people you are talking about. My father is old enough to have experienced segregation and firehoses personally. Google Ricky Ross, Oliver North+Noriega, and Tuskegee Experiment......if after reading those you can honestly come back and make that same statement you get 5 internets.
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Originally Posted by CrazyLittle: Sapiens is a species. NASCAR is a RACE!!!
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Old 03-26-2008, 09:17 PM #66
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The American Government doesn't owe Black people anything but a free one way ticket back to Africa. In the same meaning, whites can get themselves a ticket back to Europe also. America and it's racism pisses me right off.
Or people can live where they want.
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Old 03-26-2008, 09:20 PM #67
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I realized something today that is probably relevant to the thread.

I am taking a full load of AP classes, and I notice something in all my classes. There are whites, Hispanics, Asians, Muslims, Europeans, but yet there is not one African American student in any of these classes.

Someone needs to explain that, because the last time I checked African Americans had access to the same exact education that I am receiving.

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Old 03-26-2008, 09:23 PM #68
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Old 03-26-2008, 09:26 PM #69
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Originally Posted by CrazyLittle: Sapiens is a species. NASCAR is a RACE!!!
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Old 03-26-2008, 09:31 PM #70
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It's not. My school is well over 30% African American. Chance isn't behind it.
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Old 03-26-2008, 09:44 PM #71
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It's not. My school is well over 30% African American. Chance isn't behind it.
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Old 03-26-2008, 10:32 PM #72
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And that ladies and gents is what we call prejudice. No need to go to the dictionary as you've just been given a great living example! While you are more than welcome to your feelings on the subject, it is this type of thinking which will keep cultural relations stagnant.

I'm sorry for whatever you've seen which has "soured" you (and I really mean that), but MOST OF THE BLACKS OF YOUR GENERATION is the kind of broad generalization which perpetuates racism. What, imo, you have to start looking at is "why" and "what" it is that you don't like and where that comes from. Stop looking at teh superficial and if you have to dislike something, dislike the root, the cause of the problem because the only difference between you and them is environment....where/how they were raised and what influences have shaped their actions.
No. What will keep cultral relations stagnant is parents not telling there kids no.

I dont like how the black girls/boys of my generation talk back to teachers like there dogs, when they get a free education. I dont like how they think they run the school. I dont like how they are loud, obnoxious, inconsiderate, disrespectful and unlawful. I also dont like how they complain, complain and complain but yet they dont try in school.

Like today, we verbally read in class and a black guy was called on in class. He was pretty ok with reading so he read for a bit. He then called on this black girl who was "doing work" which was not assigned. She wasnt reading yet so the teacher said "So-and-so, do you want to start please?" She flipped a ***** saying "Im doin my work, no im not reading." She kept telling the teacher no and getting smart with her, louder and louder each time. She had to read a 3 line paragraph. 3 LINES! And she didnt want to because she was doing work which was not what we were supposed to be doing. She never does work nor does many of the other black girls in our class. They do it when they feel like it.

That is why I feel the way I do. I'm not racist by the way I have been brought up but by what I have been brought up to. Meaning what I see in school and outside of school.
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In Chicago they spend more per child on public education then they do in my old hometown which is known for having amazing public education.
Tony, I don't know where you are getting your info from, possibly picked one charter school or something, but the amount spend per child in the CPS is around $5,000 compared to $15,000 in some of the more affluent neighborhoods, but closer to $9,000 on average.

Not saying it is the only factor, but it matters.

I wrote a paper on it, if you care to read.
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No. What will keep cultral relations stagnant is parents not telling there kids no.

I dont like how the black girls/boys of my generation talk back to teachers like there dogs, when they get a free education. I dont like how they think they run the school. I dont like how they are loud, obnoxious, inconsiderate, disrespectful and unlawful. I also dont like how they complain, complain and complain but yet they dont try in school.

Like today, we verbally read in class and a black guy was called on in class. He was pretty ok with reading so he read for a bit. He then called on this black girl who was "doing work" which was not assigned. She wasnt reading yet so the teacher said "So-and-so, do you want to start please?" She flipped a ***** saying "Im doin my work, no im not reading." She kept telling the teacher no and getting smart with her, louder and louder each time. She had to read a 3 line paragraph. 3 LINES! And she didnt want to because she was doing work which was not what we were supposed to be doing. She never does work nor does many of the other black girls in our class. They do it when they feel like it.

That is why I feel the way I do. I'm not racist by the way I have been brought up but by what I have been brought up to. Meaning what I see in school and outside of school.
I never actually called you a racist, but what I did say is that was a prejudiced statement in your initial post. You cannot judge the whole of a group by a small sampling. Also, like I stated, you are more than welcome to your feelings. If this has been your experience then who am I to say anything until I've walked a mile in your shoes.

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It's not. My school is well over 30% African American. Chance isn't behind it.
I'll tell you what...why don't you explain why you think this is the case. I'm curious to hear your thoughts.

My daughter is in honors/AP classes in a school which has a pretty decent population of black students and I've visited up at her school and in one of her classes and I saw plenty of black students and students of other ethnicities as well. My two sons are also in advanced studies classes and there are other black students in them as well.
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I personally would like to see more of an effort put forward by the black community at changing the environment which influences such a statistically high percentage of black males to commit crimes and/or go to prison.

As it stands, I think that:
-The black community should have the primary responsibility of changing this environment.
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Unfortunately you won't see an effort on a broad scale put out by the black community as racism is a convenience of sorts for some that are considered to be leaders within the black community, and you know which race baiters I'm referring to. I agree the black community should have primary responsibility, but it's much easier and convenient to lay blame on the government or caucasians. As long as the hatred towards whites is thrust forward by the likes of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, there will be no healing unless those within said community wake up and see their leaders for what they are, and that is the very thing they claim to be against, racists!
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Being that I'm not scared of any race(s), I'd say my hate is pretty equally spread.
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I think that using personal anecdotes is ineffective in this debate.

Granted, I'm sure we've all met people of all races who have decided to buy into their own prejuduced stereotypes (or the stereotypes of other ethnic groups.)
Your own experiences are biased, period, your test sample is small and biased, and that makes them less than effective when trying to speak to the whole of an ethnic group.

The statistics show that African Americans, per capita, are more likely to die an early death, commit certain crimes, develop certain mental health issues, etc. They also show that any person of any ethnic group who grows up in lower income neighborhoods, is more likely to fall victim to the same problems.
The statistics also show that Blacks are more likely to be convicted of a crime when compared to other ethnic groups, and sentenced more harshly for their crimes.

The question is how you choose to interpret those statistics. You're free to apply your emotions, education, logic and prejuduces to them, but it's not convincing to hear you talk about your own personal experiences.
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