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Old 03-19-2008, 12:17 AM #1
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Some FACTS about Angel One

For starters, this is NOT a gun bashing or gun Hyping thread- just a list of facts and data. Leave flaming/bashing/Hyping to someplace else - i.e. like the kindergarden.

Angel One

Picture of stock model:


Date of release:
Fall of 2006.

Manufacturer:
APS- Angel Paintball Sports, formerly known as WDP. Same company, just changed the name.

Website:
http://www.angelpaintballsports.com

Place of manufacture:
Mainland China. APS had their plant moved there 2006, so same machines different location. Just like most other paintball gun manufacturers today, just more honest about it.

Place of R&D:
Still England!

Weight:
Stock weight with an average 9v battery is 987 grams without the barrel and 1063 grams with barrel.

Paint gentleness:
Very high.

Maximum rate of fire:
With stock gun and unlimited ramp: beyond 34 bps sustained for a full second with a Q-loader, possibly with a considerable margin with lighter aftermarket parts. With stock gun and a normal stock reloader B on moderate settings it's usually 25+ bps even at high eye delay unless Dwell is set excessively high.

Manual:
http://www.wdp.tv/angel1/angel1manual.pdf

Gun Diagram:


Runs on what air system output:
Preferably LP, but needs to be between min 450 psi to Max 800 psi or gun will get reduced performance.
Optimal air system output pressure range: 450-630 psi.

Operating pressure:
Stock settings: 280 psi HPR/ 60 psi LPR,
With magnovalve: 180-220 HPR and 45-50 LPR.

Dwell:
Stock settings: 7-9 ms, but the gun is fully 5.5 ms enabled when run in, still all stock.
Dwell with Magnovalve: as low as 5.5 ms
NOTE ON DWELL:
There's some controversy as to whether the A1 can actually run at the lowest board setting of 4 ms dwell. At least some A1 guns have been able to run at as low as 4 ms (i.e. mine does) problem free with aftermarket lightweight hammers , although the MTs say some A1 guns can get an eye fault from doing this and APS doesn't guarantee it'll work for the user.
If you're into lowest possible Dwell settings on your gun, watch for this possible fault and if it appears adjust dwell slightly up accordingly.


Stock bolt weight:
11 grams.

Kick:
Kick stock: Low but you can just feel it. The stock setup Gen 2 A1 has a slightly lower kick than a stock setup EGO 08. Gen 1 was slightly higher.
Kick with magnovalve: Gone!

Efficiency:
Stock: 1200-1500 shots off a 68/4500 psi tank. Depends on paint-to barrel match, tuning and Dwell setting if you get good efficiency or not.
With magnovalve: 1850+ off a 68/4500

Accuracy:
With stock barrel set: Excellent.
Note1: Whether this is only because of the excellent stock barrel set or has something to do with the gun pneumatics you be the judge.
Note2: Most, if not all tournament players used to other guns that I've borrowed an A1 to have said this gun is more accurate than what they've shot before. You be the judge of that too. Barrels, gun, who cares which. But this is the response I've gotten even from typically "Angel-hostile" players. I do not claim anything either way, I'm just relating what they said.

Alleged problems:
The currently marketed Gen II Angel One is NOT prone to any known problems.

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Special features:

- Self-cleaning eyes
A gas puff vents through small holes on the sides of the bolt with each shot and out aroud the eye sensors and removes all paint residue from it. This enables full eye function for the next shot directly after a paintbreak in the breech without squeegie cleaning. In fact, the eyes become exactly as they were before the break, not half-dirty like even a thorough squeegie or even swabbing will give on other guns that don't have a self-clean function (only A1 and DM currently have this). Clean like most other guns when you take the eyes out of the body and clean them. This gives instant full eye function on the field even after a mishap and also helps keep the eye sensor lenses clean of aggressively miscoloring and degrading paint often giving them a longer lifespan than most other eyes.

- OLED
The menu display is an OLED color display with very low power useage, same as on most modern cell phones. It also comes with a blackberry style thumb-operation and user friendly menu.

- USB connector on board
USB A-to-Mini-B compatible for board software upgrades. Easy to use at home or anywhere with a modern PC, internet access and a USB cord.
A-to-Mini-B cords are commonly used with digital cameras, but are also used for many other electronics equipment. The modern USB II version is recommended for fast and problem free software flash. You may well already own one, but if not they are easily available at any well stocked electronics outlet or computer store for about $10-20.

- Soft nose bolt
Gives a much softer impact on the ball so the front won't ever crack a fully loaded ball on impact. This is unique to Angel One and gives some of that extra paint gentleness.

- Rollback removal twistknob function
Twist knob on the back of the gun pushes the RAM shaft forward to lock the breech block and move the bolt face forward into the breech. No rollback means the second ball on top of the breech loaded ball isn't pinched in the shot cycle or hit by the top of the bolt. Mainly this reduces barrel breaks from semi-fractured balls and also reduces breech bottom breaks from broken bottom balls.

- Bolt top angled face
This further removes any risk of direct impact on the bottom of the second ball in the breech/neck. This angled top is also unique to Angel One and gives some of that extra paint gentleness.

-Rotor breech
The unique Angel breech function means that the midsection of the top tube is hinged and swings open for easy access to clean the bolt and breech area as well as source of leak deduction and valve function check.

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Stock model gun box includes:
- Angel marker
- Bolt
- A 14" 2-piece barrel set with 3 backs .691, .693 and .695 and 1 front. Very accurate and very slim and light.
- Barrel blocking device with elastic band.
- Spare macroline
- Toolkit in metal case
- Angel love juice bottle
- Manual
Note that team edition guns and FLY version guns may have additional parts, sticker sheets or even extra barrel back sets in their boxes.

Upgrades:
You don't really need any.
But there are:
- FLY Magnavalve kit, comes in two parts valve & magnetic stem and RAM with new high-efficiency seals & lightweight hammer. Available soon. Makes the gun very efficient, removes kick and reduces operating pressure.
- Aftermarket triggers,both straight and S-shaped if you prefer that.
- Expansion barrel kit to make the stock kit a full 6-back set .685, .687, .689, .691, .693 and .695.
- 3-piece eye covers that gets rid of that nuisance of re-fitting the eye covers you heard about.
- Most carbon barrel manufacturers make A1 thread barrels and barrel kits -and carbon tips for the stock barrel set.
- Color pimp kit in various colors.
- Most barrel manufactureres make either G7 FLY thread that fits the A1, or outright A1 thread barrels.
- Various aftermarket boards.
- CP makes an inline reg adapter if you want to use another reg on the gun.
- Various companies make aftermarket feednecks that fit the A1.


Hopefully we can sticky this to avoid about 90% of the questions we get in here all the time.
If anyone has any questions about anything at all regarding the A1 that hasn't been stated above feel free to ask me any time. / Fargbollen
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Old 03-19-2008, 12:24 AM #2
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Nicely done, but A1's operate best with an LPR of 53 and a dwell of 6.5.
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Old 03-19-2008, 12:44 AM #4
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Very nice. But if i could add one thing you should add the Joy/Rage settings.
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Old 03-19-2008, 12:51 AM #5
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I'll consider all of it but no promises.
Feel free to add what you like to the thread as long as it's relevant. This is not an FAQ thread, it's a gun data thread.
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Old 03-19-2008, 01:13 AM #6
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^^^ Im sorry i just read the title and it said facts so i assumed something. How about that you can get the Ring for the barrel to fit older barrels to angel 1's?
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Old 03-19-2008, 07:49 AM #7
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Farg ftw Every one of your posts is like information in a bottle.
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Nice info, but....... just as I was starting to learn patience in waiting for the Fly/Magno internals you come out with this and remind me that I want it now!!!
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^^^ Im sorry i just read the title and it said facts so i assumed something. How about that you can get the Ring for the barrel to fit older barrels to angel 1's?
The A1 doesn't really need the beauty ring to use G7 FLY thread barrels, just looks prettier. I already mentioned that the gun can use G7 FLY barrels, see the bottom part of the first post about upgrades.
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The A1 doesn't really need the beauty ring to use G7 FLY thread barrels, just looks prettier. I already mentioned that the gun can use G7 FLY barrels, see the bottom part of the first post about upgrades.
If you can find a really dense material to make a beauty ring out of it will allow for a more stable shooting platform.
(Sorry I just had to put something atleast half decent in this post seeing as all I had was random star wars knowledge..)
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Very nice thread, but I have a question:
I bought a DXS Tank off of the Nation last summer and have no idea if it is HP or LP. How can I tell?

Help will be appreciated (I am thinking about getting an A1).
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DXS tank regs are normally marked "High pressure" or "Low pressure" on the side with white text. DXS tend to set the LP at about 550-600 psi which is optimal with the A1. HP they set at about 900 psi which isn't and may damage the gun over time.

If the reg isn't marked, expect it to be HP until you get it tested with a reg tester. You can build a simple reg tester tool from a bleeder ASA coupling (or equivalent standard ASA and a bleeder valve) and a brand new standard 1500 psi gauge. Most seasoned players already have the parts or just need a new gauge.
Just screw the assembled reg tester tool on to the top of the reg and you'll know the true output.
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Thanks. Just keeping it real.

BTW. Post updated again today with correct bolt weight and Dwell settings.
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The beauty ring does nothing for the old barrels except look prettier. Having a beauty ring or anythign else on the front of the barrel wont make it more stable, shoot more accurate, or any of those things. It will just look pretty
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