[Daniel.]

Originally Posted by Trauma11

And let me lay this out for you all black and white. Every single thread in the political forum is the same, republicans and democrats bashing each other. What it comes down to is that we are never going to 100% agree with eachother so there will always be something to argue about. I consider myself a very conservative republican AND I will tell you the thoughts and ideas of republicans are not 100% on track with running a succesful government and the same goes for democrats. Thats all there is to it.

yeah except the only difference is, that all the liberals in this forum are correct.

[Craigers]

Originally Posted by FluffyMumkins

Would people just shut the hell up with these pathetic attacks against "liberals"?!

It's as if you prefer to have some militaristic ******* running this **** heap and making more and more countries want to commit acts of terrorism against us. As opposed to those "evil liberals" who want the world to think of us as a more humble nation instead of the brute it is now. Heaven forbid those "liberals" also start focusing on the citizens of this country!

I seriously want to slap the next person who stereotypes someone as a "liberal" with negative implications.

I'm sorry, would you rather we call them the socialists they are? The problem with liberals (<---- Yes I said LIBERALS) is that they piss and moan about the cost of the war yet want to expand the social problems that already cost this country about $1.5 TRILLION a YEAR. Oh but thats ok, they just want to raise taxes on the evil rich and evil corporations. And they wonder why so many companies outsource to avoid our tax code. And how many of the candidates actually plan on withdrawing from Iraq?

[nyle]

Originally Posted by Daniel.

yeah except the only difference is, that all the liberals in this forum are correct.

In what sense? Your opinion?

Yeah... don't speak out of your ***. The liberals on this forum are a slap in the face towards liberals in America; quit being so conceited.

Originally Posted by Craigers

I'm sorry, would you rather we call them the socialists they are? The problem with liberals (<---- Yes I said LIBERALS) is that they piss and moan about the cost of the war yet want to expand the social problems that already cost this country about $1.5 TRILLION a YEAR. Oh but thats ok, they just want to raise taxes on the evil rich and evil corporations. And they wonder why so many companies outsource to avoid our tax code. And how many of the candidates actually plan on withdrawing from Iraq?

I'd say that's a fair response judging by the unfair accusations that all conservatives are neo-conservatives.

[apunkjunkie]

Originally Posted by ClintonBaller2

I never said they need to be equal, again you lack basic comprehension skills. Upper class not needing tax breaks that would help the lower and middle class=/= communism. The only way it would be communism would be if you took most of the money from the rich, spread it throughout the lower and middle classes until all classes now have an equal income. Read.

I never said anything about "evil rich" either. Again, read.

No, you never said anything exactly, but you sound like a talking head of the far left. You're exact quote was, "The point is the rich get richer while the middle and lower classes get no better, but I think you understood that just chose to ignore it." Which through basic reading comprehension makes it sound as if you don't like the rich getting richer and poor staying poor.

I also noticed you went into attack mode and ignored the facts that the rich are taxed more than anyone else and deserve the breaks. Its the same thing you did in the "why not elect Obama thread." Attack when facts are brought forth to discredit your opinion....have you already sent in your yearly Democrat dues?

*braces for Fluffy to smack him*

[ClintonBaller2]

Im still not advocating communism or taking money from the rich, which they have worked hard for. Im just saying that if your going to give them tax breaks or not they will still have money, which is fine I dont think theyre evil for that. But if you give tax breaks to the lower and middle classes that will help them. Just because youre in the lower and middle classes doesnt mean you dont work hard. Im fine with tax breaks for the rich, but the lower and middle classes would benefit more from it, the rich will still have their money. I dont remember the Obama thread though lol.

[BunkerKnight]

Originally Posted by drunkkoala

hillary elected president, is assassinated soon thereafter.

This would be a good thing IMO

[apunkjunkie]

Originally Posted by ClintonBaller2

Im still not advocating communism or taking money from the rich, which they have worked hard for. Im just saying that if your going to give them tax breaks or not they will still have money, which is fine I dont think theyre evil for that. But if you give tax breaks to the lower and middle classes that will help them. Just because youre in the lower and middle classes doesnt mean you dont work hard. Im fine with tax breaks for the rich, but the lower and middle classes would benefit more from it, the rich will still have their money. I dont remember the Obama thread though lol.

First off, the lower class won't benefit from tax breaks since they don't pay taxes either. The middle class pays a signifigantly smaller percentage of taxes than someone wealthier, so they don't need it either. The only group that deserves a tax break is the one who is accepting most of the burden.

[ClintonBaller2]

Yeah, Im pretty sure the middle class family I live in would benefit greatly from a tax cut, yep I am sure. And the lower class neighborhood about half a mile from my home Im pretty sure those people would benefit too. Everyone pays taxes.

[Nick Stanger]

Originally Posted by Matt.is.back2011

It is impossible to bomb a country into submission. Ground forces are needed, that is why our country established The Army, the Marines, along with many different branches of the Air Force and Navy that all include ground soldiers.

Simply bombing a country would not work. If you do not believe me, go pick up a history book at look up Operation Rolling Thunder or The German bombardment of Great Britain in WWII.

War against Iran would most likley equate to a draft. Our military is stretched too thin as it is.

not to get off the main subject but the first gulf war with Iraq was all most all air strikes with a little clean up with ground troops / tanks afterwards. if my memory serves me correct. we would shoot a missile it would go through a window and then take out the building. same with there ground troops we would see tanks and such we would blow them up with our tanks or an air strike and make the troops surrender . now we are just policing and trying to establish a actual government that will give back to its people. thats why we need McCain. to finish the job.

[ClintonBaller2]

The Gulf War land offensive was the biggest invasion operation by land troops since D Day....The next biggest land invasion was the 2nd Iraq War, Im not saying in size but in chronology, so your statements on "strategy" isn't exactly correct. Also going to war with Iran is not "finishing the job" in Iraq.

[kjjm4]

Originally Posted by ClintonBaller2

Everyone pays taxes.

No, no they don't. Most poor people get all of the money that is withheld from their paychecks back as a tax refund. If you get the money back, you don't pay taxes.

[ClintonBaller2]

I stand corrected, though the majority of the lower class still pays taxes.

[ClintonBaller2]

Originally Posted by nyle

In what sense? Your opinion?

Yeah... don't speak out of your ***. The liberals on this forum are a slap in the face towards liberals in America; quit being so conceited.

In what sense? Your opinion?

[kjjm4]

Originally Posted by ClintonBaller2

I stand corrected, though the majority of the lower class still pays taxes.

Depends how you define lower class. I don't think anybody that's actually below the poverty line pays taxes. I think that some people who qualify for the earned income credit can actually get a tax refund for a greater amount than they paid in income tax. In general, tax relief will not help the poor, since they don't pay taxes and they are generally eligible for lots of government handouts.

[Nick Stanger]

Originally Posted by ClintonBaller2

The Gulf War land offensive was the biggest invasion operation by land troops since D Day....The next biggest land invasion was the 2nd Iraq War, Im not saying in size but in chronology, so your statements on "strategy" isn't exactly correct. Also going to war with Iran is not "finishing the job" in Iraq.

there is no comparison you are looking at a D day were we had no air support in the storming of the beaches just gun ships and the war now were we went in and with an air strike first and blew the tar out of Saddam and his regime. now look at the military loss in Afghanistan and Iraq compared to D day. now thats a lot of people. order an air strike and then send in the troops to pick up the dead body's and round up the over survivors. and if there using car bombs and suicide bombs. To me thats running out of ammo / guns to shoot at us with.

[PDXMark]

Originally Posted by kjjm4

In general, tax relief will not help the poor, since they don't pay taxes(?) and they are generally eligible for lots of government handouts.

Idiot-

[Matt 23]

Originally Posted by FluffyMumkins

Would people just shut the hell up with these pathetic attacks against "liberals"?!

It's as if you prefer to have some militaristic ******* running this **** heap and making more and more countries want to commit acts of terrorism against us. As opposed to those "evil liberals" who want the world to think of us as a more humble nation instead of the brute it is now. Heaven forbid those "liberals" also start focusing on the citizens of this country!

I seriously want to slap the next person who stereotypes someone as a "liberal" with negative implications.

Want a worst case scenario?

How about McCain gets presidency. He'll exacerbate the U.S. occupation of the Middle East and likely prod other countries with America's "big stick". All while letting the economy fall deeper into the hole and caring more about military rule in war torn foreign nations than the citizens of the U.S.

These dems are only against the war because bush started it.

I don't know why everyones so satisfied with Obama being president. I think he is worse then Hilary. Obama is no different then his neo-con contender McCain on foreign policy.

[nyle]

Originally Posted by ClintonBaller2

Yeah, Im pretty sure the middle class family I live in would benefit greatly from a tax cut, yep I am sure. And the lower class neighborhood about half a mile from my home Im pretty sure those people would benefit too. Everyone pays taxes.

Essentially everyone pays taxes, but it's safe to say that the suicide rate would go way up if the middle class citizens were pressed with upperclass taxes. Wealthy people get tax breaks, because they put forth the most significant percentage of tax.

Everyone benefits from a tax break, but if you take away tax breaks from the wealthier portion of America, then you are discouraging economic progression. Those wealthier people will have a greater portion of money-loss than a middle class citizen would.

For as long as the unequal taxes are present (such as the Income tax), then tax breaks must exist, even if they don't offset the income tax altogether.

Originally Posted by ClintonBaller2

In what sense? Your opinion?

Nice try, but that doesn't really work in that situation.
I was intentionally stating an opinion. You, however, stated an opinion and passed it off as a fact.

Ignorance is bliss...

[Smart Parts Player12]

WCS would be Bush getting shot, Cheney enacting martial law, and the elections being suspended

[RockingTheIon70 (Banned)]

Originally Posted by holycheezit

Ron Paul is still a conservative

He's an "original" republican, which is quite different than the neo-conservatives that have become synonymous with republicanism in today's society.

[ClintonBaller2]

Originally Posted by nyle

Nice try, but that doesn't really work in that situation.
I was intentionally stating an opinion. You, however, stated an opinion and passed it off as a fact.

Ignorance is bliss...

You saying all liberals on this board are not like liberals in the real world is an opinion. I guess ignorance is bliss for you.