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Old 01-27-2008, 09:11 PM #22
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If you watched the video, you'd see the ideas are almost for verbatim Marx's.
Be more specific.
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Old 01-27-2008, 09:58 PM #23
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If you watched the video, you'd see the ideas are almost for verbatim Marx's.
I hope you mean Groucho Marx and not Karl.
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Old 01-28-2008, 01:00 AM #24
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Be more specific.
The whole not working for someone else, you must keep the goods you make and voluntarilly exchange them, ect ect
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Old 01-28-2008, 09:14 AM #25
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The whole not working for someone else, you must keep the goods you make and voluntarilly exchange them, ect ect

Meanwhile the very idea of a Communist government takes away all your liberties?

You make no sense.
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Old 01-28-2008, 10:20 AM #26
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Meanwhile the very idea of a Communist government takes away all your liberties?

You make no sense.

Wrong. Have you actually read any Marx? Under Communism the goal is to have the worker fully liberated, and himself controlling what he does along with everyone else as a collective.

Don't take the failed totalitarian attempts at Communism as Marx's theory.
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Old 01-28-2008, 10:23 AM #27
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Wrong. Have you actually read any Marx? Under Communism the goal is to have the worker fully liberated, and himself controlling what he does along with everyone else as a collective.

Don't take the failed totalitarian attempts at Communism as Marx's theory.
How is there Liberty when the Government controls every aspect of Life? What 'freedom' is that?
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Old 01-28-2008, 10:25 AM #28
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The whole not working for someone else, you must keep the goods you make and voluntarilly exchange them, ect ect
You don't keep what you make, and you don't voluntarilly exchange goods in a communist society.

The whole point of a communist is society is that you give up your personal freedoms for the good of the community. You have no property rights because everything is owned equally by society.

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Old 01-28-2008, 11:35 AM #29
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Very interesting and lines up 100% with my utopian-American dream. Unfortunately, we will never live in a world like the one described in the film. Over time, government has won because the people have become too lazy.
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Old 01-28-2008, 11:42 AM #30
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All this talk of Communism makes me miss zack.

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Old 01-28-2008, 12:29 PM #31
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You don't keep what you make, and you don't voluntarilly exchange goods in a communist society.

The whole point of a communist is society is that you give up your personal freedoms for the good of the community. You have no property rights because everything is owned equally by society.

You obviously do not know Marx's philosophy of a communist country at all.

First, Marx argues that a state will only be present in a communist govt. for only a short time after a proletarian revolution, and will eventually dissolve, when there is one universal class, thus giving complete freedom to the people.

Second, you do not understand Marx's definition of personal property. He didn't want anyone to give up their Rolexs and Escalades, instead personal property is the tools of production used to command the proletariats labor.

Please don't spout off your rhetoric about communism when all you have is some skewed knowledge, and no actual experience with the real philosophy.



FYI, i am not endorsing communism in anyway, rather i am more of a moderate libertarian who fully believes that capitalism is the best system for a functioning, advancing society, but I am extremely open to learning where the opposition's reasoning is coming from.
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Old 01-28-2008, 12:32 PM #32
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All this talk of Communism makes me miss zack.

Bask in his effervescent glory.

http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=1956543
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That was pretty mind numbing and dull. I want my 2 minutes back.
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All this talk of Communism makes me miss zack.

I miss Jesus Was a Liberal
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Did I seriously just say that?
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Bask in his effervescent glory.

http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=1956543
I look at that thread and laugh. Zack!
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