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Old 12-30-2007, 02:58 AM #1
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The Lube Thread (Or: What to lube, when to lube it, and what to lube it with)

These maintenance questions get asked constantly, and although there are instructions in the manual, I figured a thread with with all of the information consolidated into one place was in order.

There are two different types of lubrication you will need to perform on your Angel at regular intervals: Oiling and greasing. It's not an either/or thing. They serve different purposes and you will need to do both. Use ONLY synthetic oils and greases - do NOT use solvents, mineral oils, penetrating oils, motor oil, petroleum jelly (Vaseline), or any petroleum-based products.

Oiling should be performed every 2-5 cases.

To oil your Angel, drop 2 or 3 drops of oil into the ASA or macroline and dryfire 20-40 times until oil ceases to "mist" out of your breech. It is a good idea to remove your barrel before oiling so that you don't get oil all over the inside of it and have to go through the pain in the *** of trying to clean it out. After dryfiring, remove your bolt and wipe off any excess oil on the bolt and in the breech. Put your bolt back, close the rotorbreech, and you're done. Again, always use synthetic oils and greases. Some synthetic oils for your consideration are: KC Trouble Free, ACI Airlube or WDP/APS Love Juice Oil.

Greasing should be performed every 15-20 cases.

Grease is applied to three areas at this time: the LPR piston, the mini-reg piston, and the ram o-rings. Specific instructions for accessing these components can be found in the manuals for the various Angel models at www.wdp.tv

To grease your ram o-rings, remove the ram from the body by either unscrewing it, or releasing the retaining pin, depending on which Angel model you have. Clean off the old grease and any gunk that has accumulated. Now apply grease lightly to the front ram shaft o-ring (the only o-ring visible on the ram shaft), and to the three ram body o-rings. Reinstall the ram assembly into the body. Done.

To grease your LPR piston, remove the piston from the body by unscrewing the appropriate front end cap (LED-G7 Fly), or by removing the back plate (A1+), and then pulling the piston out using either an M3 threaded screw, a blunt pick (dental pick, o-ring pick, etc), or the suitable Angel LPR removal tool. Take care not to misplace any of the spring washers or shims. Clean off the old grease and any gunk that has accumulated. Now apply grease to the piston o-ring, and lightly to the piston shaft. Reinstall the LPR piston into the body. Done.

To grease your mini-reg piston, remove the piston from the regulator body by following the regulator disassembly instructions in the manual, or the tutorial in the Ultimate Sticky. Clean off the old grease and any gunk that has accumulated from the piston and spring stack assembly. Now apply grease to the piston o-ring, lightly to the piston shaft, and lightly to the spring stack. Reassemble the mini-reg. Done.

When greasing, take care not to cake the grease onto the parts. The parts should be fully coated in a thin layer of grease, not pasted and dripping with a huge glob of it. Over-greasing causes performance problems by gunking things up and actually making it more difficult for the parts to move. And don't forget, always use synthetic oils and greases. Some synthetic greases include: Dow (Molykote) 33, Hater Sauce, Dye Slick Lube, and my personal favorite: Super Lube Synthetic Grease. On a sidenote: do not use Dow (Molykote) 55 grease on any seals that move (i.e., the regulator piston seals or ram shaft o-ring), as it is designed to plump up o-rings for a tighter seal. Which isn't desirable when you want them moving freely.

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Old 12-30-2007, 03:08 AM #2
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Thanks for going through the trouble of writing this. Click This link. I think it may help some visual types learners.
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Ooh very helpful , thankyou Dr.Strangelove.
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Should you apply grease to the mini-reg spring stack? I thought you shouldn't.
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Should you apply grease to the mini-reg spring stack? I thought you shouldn't.
A very light amount is fine. It gets applied there at the factory. It isn't absolutely necessary though. Problems arise when you apply to much because it binds the spring. Hence the warning in the last paragraph.

*edit* I posted in the Sticky Wiki-Suggestion thread and alerted our fearless mods, so hopefully this will make it into the stickies and this question won't take up as much PBN bandwidth as it does now
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Where to lube diagram for your A1's - http://www.wdp.tv/e_blast07/140507-news/grease-lube.pdf

How to take it all apart - http://www.wdp.tv/step-by-step-jun07.pdf
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Old 12-31-2007, 11:26 AM #13
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The greasing guide for the A1 is a good resource, but it's designed for assembly and is consequently very long and detailed, and includes instructions for applying grease and loctite to parts that don't need any regular greasing and that you wouldn't customarily be accessing during the course of regular lubing. It wasn't designed to be a maintenance guide.
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The greasing guide for the A1 is a good resource, but it's designed for assembly and is consequently very long and detailed, and includes instructions for applying grease and loctite to parts that don't need any regular greasing and that you wouldn't customarily be accessing during the course of regular lubing. It wasn't designed to be a maintenance guide.
You are very right, alot of those parts are not required to be lubed during routine maitenance. Although it is a good visual aide to see exactly what to lube on each individual part.
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Where to lube diagram for your A1's - http://www.wdp.tv/e_blast07/140507-news/grease-lube.pdf

How to take it all apart - http://www.wdp.tv/step-by-step-jun07.pdf
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The greasing guide for the A1 is a good resource, but it's designed for assembly and is consequently very long and detailed, and includes instructions for applying grease and loctite to parts that don't need any regular greasing and that you wouldn't customarily be accessing during the course of regular lubing. It wasn't designed to be a maintenance guide.
Going to this extent where you do a full break down should be done atleast once a year. Twice a year if you're a paint whore like me
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A once-a-year full service is always a good idea. Even so, you won't get to a lot of the parts in the assembly guide (some of them, like the ram assembly internals, aren't even accessible). It's a great visual reference, it's just not a maintenance guide, that's all.
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Smart Parts Sleek?

I just traded my shocker for an 05 speed and I was wondering if I could use the SP Sleek for the angel. It is dow 33. Let me know thanks!

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Did I not say in the first post that Dow 33 was fine to use?
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A once-a-year full service is always a good idea. Even so, you won't get to a lot of the parts in the assembly guide (some of them, like the ram assembly internals, aren't even accessible). It's a great visual reference, it's just not a maintenance guide, that's all.
This is where an automotive syringe applicator would prove useful and make it in to those hard to reach areas I'll get you a pic tomorrow of what I use.
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Sorry to be a doofus, but which one?

Also, what other lubes can be used?
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Did I not say in the first post that Dow 33 was fine to use?
just making sure dont have to get all smart about it...
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