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Old 12-11-2007, 07:44 PM #1
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The Rundown

Well here we are people the post tournament talk. First I have to say congrats to the winners but also much respect to all the teams. Team wise this is one of the most friendly tournament I have ever attend, each team/ player were nice going an easy to chat with for the most part but I have to give a special shout to the best the Aussies, Team Reaper and Team Datis you guys are awesome.

Now comes the time for the B*tching if you will. As I stated the teams were great but out of all the tournament I have been to this Tournament is self SUCKED! Before everyone jumps to the defensive let me explain a few things. What I mean about the tournament it self sucked I mean by the organization, "THE MAN"! Lets break it down shall we will a few key points.


First: I think the most "easy" to fix, the crono. I mean holy **** man, one.....for like 60 something teams. You have to be freaking kinding me. That just stupid. Out of all the money "you" raped from everyone you can at least buy two more. Thats just sad!!

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I going to have to talk about the paint, the over price *** raping you gave everyone. You all need to go back to school an learn about "supply" and "demand". Its a Paintball tournament you have a high demand for paint now you need to have the supply (at decent prices) you going to make you money regardless on paint. Its that simple I don't know where you all learned your business ethics but you all suck at it!

Third: DAMN!! Can I get some air over here please!!! Okay this was suppose to be the "premier" Asian paintball tournament and you don't have a working and or better compressor. Also don't even that out of all the fields there supposedly was there you couldn't ask one of the field owners there to "borrow" theirs! That was sad when I'm in whats was "called" a "World Class Tournament" (A BAD JOKE) an we got people running out of air on the field because all they can get is a filled to 2100-3000 psi on my god I just want to cry*

Fourth: I think the most important you organization of the tournament was......"I can't think of a nice word to say". You know even before the tournament started I saw it, When supposedly you have a comity whom it in charge of setting everything up....."can I scream now!" Lets breaking this one down even more:

- takes forever if at all to get an e-mail returned
- posting up half decent schedule on time. On the schedule what the "F" was up with that "BS", 12 mother games in one day when you have a 3 day tournament (dumb!) Let me give you some help, you have a morning schedule and an afternoon what you do is you have X amount of team come in to play in the morning from lets say 0700-1200 for play anywhere from 6-8 games them have the rest of the teams come in to do the afternoon then have the switch the next day to finish out the rest of their games. SERIOUS do you have ANY idea that the "F" you are doing, in those 12 games you had us playing back to back you have people hurting themselves due to heat! Plus even if we there was a "real" reason why we all had to play 12 game in one day why not space them out more and not stop once it got dark SPECIALLY when you have more the sufficient lighting. I can go one for days on this one but I just going to leave you with this. From what I got its the most important and what everyone commonly feels the same way.
-Players Party........"So where is my drink" enough said!

Okay I'm going to get off my "high horse" now and leave you with that, I sure my fellow ballers have other things to say also. But the next time I go to Malaysia I guess I going to have to do some shopping, eating and play "GOLF" at one of the 4.......0 golf courses!
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Old 12-11-2007, 11:42 PM #2
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Well said bro. But first I have to give a big thank to Allan who gave every helps to everyone and also Redza who I always get confused between you and Allan. It was my first time in Malaysia and I might expecting too much from this tournament since it was the "World Cup"? I really don't want to complain any thing and I actually had no hard feeling, but like I said, I was expecting too much. Something like overprice paint was killing everything. Another rundown was the problem at air station. It was a bad joke to get your tank filled at 3K psi at tournament. Also I was yelled to be back off when I was in the line waiting to fill the air even I was supposed to be ready at the field and it was the final call. Now you know what to do so please don't do it again.
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Old 12-12-2007, 12:13 AM #3
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Sorry to have disappointed you but do hope to attend one of those better tourneys you have described soon.Very sorry if it has been a culture shock for you..it is your team's first participation with us right..

To all the other guys..if we have disappointed you in any areas..kindly accept our apology.

To OS...I do believe your Rundown posting is harsh and an unfair assessment of the event..you should perhaps have come right up then and confronted us regarding your unhappiness.

In any case...we must have let you down in some way..and for that we are sorry..

We will get better...
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Old 12-12-2007, 01:03 AM #4
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Sorry to have disappointed you but do hope to attend one of those better tourneys you have described soon.Very sorry if it has been a culture shock for you..it is your team's first participation with us right..

To all the other guys..if we have disappointed you in any areas..kindly accept our apology.

To OS...I do believe your Rundown posting is harsh and an unfair assessment of the event..you should perhaps have come right up then and confronted us regarding your unhappiness.

In any case...we must have let you down in some way..and for that we are sorry..

We will get better...
Well sadly I will not be able attend a better event for they are all over the year until the PSP starts up again, I choose to attend the WCA on the faith the it was going to be a well organized event. I should have went to the Commander Cup! If you want to call a bad tournament a "culture shock" more power to ya!

Now as for my post harsh as it my be, truthfully as it is unfair it is not. The things I have stated are simple and should not be in a tournament of that size. As far as saying it there I did and so did MANY others! I do believe you where to busy then others on your crew it just fell on deaf ears!!

Don't get mad, life is about "LEARNING" from your mistakes and taking some advice from time to time!
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Old 12-12-2007, 10:48 AM #5
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OK, I can't go on and on about everything because just got home, and really DO prefer spending time with my wife and baby more than typing away on PbNation.

Scheduling problems: Eh, it happens. It all worked out in the end.

Air: I'm with Starvok on this one. There should have been more bulk tanks at least, even better, a second compressor. Now while I realize that ALL teams were in the same boat, I had to start one game with a 2000 psi fill. As a back player, that hurts. (BTW, Starvok got stitched up the right side because my shots couldn't reach the guy shooting him, I was out of air). VERY frustrating.

Chrono: Next time, I'll bring my own....

BUT!!

It really WOULD have been nice if we had known how strict the baggage weight restrictions were on the way OUT of KL. We were overweight (so kindly inform the tourism minister that I WILL NOT be doing much shopping next visit) and I had to throw out a lot of stuff at the airport. This is of course not the fault of PALS in any way. HOWEVER, the airport staff did tell us that there are certain sports (e.g. scuba) that have allowances for overweight baggage. Maybe PALS could let the KL airport know that paintball players tend to carry a lot of gear?

Even with all the problems, I was told time and time again by many players that this was by far the best WCA to date. I hope that PALS can take some of this constructive criticism and work on making next year's event even better. I certainly understand that organizing an event of this magnitude is no easy task, but when you name your event "World Cup", you have to expect to be held to a higher standard.

Finally, let me say that it is indicative of the type of people in the people in the PALS organization that Paul himself responded in this thread within hours of the first post. I know he is sincere in his apology, and is serious when he said, "We will get better..."
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Old 12-12-2007, 08:13 PM #6
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I attended both the WCA 06 and 07, and one thing that I can tell you that the preparation for the air-fill station in 06 was better. Yes, sometimes I got only 3K fill but that was it. This year though it was so hard to get it above 3K, let alone a 4K.

I can't complain too much about the reffing because it seemed they did a pretty good job (at least during the time that our team played.)

The vendor was better than last year, but the food sucks. Last year food stands was so much better.

I also agree on Starvok on the amount of games we have to play. 12 prelim games is a bit too much. I told Yosh Rau about it and even he was surprised. 12 games on this type of weather is a bit too much. I personally think around 8 to 9 games per day would be more than enough for a team.
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The only thing i gonna complain is...

1. The priced of paint
2. Air Fill station
3. Iran ref. in eclipse field...(I saw one of datis cheating & he don't even get them 141)

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Old 12-12-2007, 09:25 PM #8
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The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly

World Cup Asia has come to pass with mixed emotions. I`d like to congratulate the winners, the losers and the staff for everything whether or not their efforts were good or bad (without winners, losers and staff, there would not be an event but hey, we could golf!).

I found that everyone at this event was extremely nice and that saved the day when confronted with a lot of frustration. Paintball aside, a special shout out to the extremely nice; (in order of niceness, lol), Ledz (sponsor plug), the Aussies from Perth, XSV Dan from down under, Team Datis (Babak), Adam, Team Anti-heroes, Dean, Allan and Paul, Ulrich the MAN, the aussie desk guy whose name I didn`t get and more.

Well, like the title says, it is time for the Good, the Bad and the Ugly. My team did not do very well but beside that, this is not a ***** post but simple facts for both sides and hopefully someone will print this out and point out these good and bad points at the next meeting of PALS.

THE GOOD: (in no apparent order or timeline)

a. The buses and the police escort. A nice touch but for some a little too late.

b. The friendly manner of everyone. Including the refs. The Aussies rocked in this department and a shout out to you guys. A special warning to everyone, watch out when an aussie gets a woody, the grab the back of their thigh, scream and jump out of their chair, a bit alarming for first timers.

c. The hotel. It is not often you get to play air-paintball in the hallways of the Hilton and bunker your friend from behind a cleaning cart. Marc is the bomb. And the service at the hotel was excellent, they didn`t mind coming up twice to jack our safe open, thanks to you know who...

d. the fans in the tents. It wasn`t so bad under a fan but if they didn`t have those, it wold have been impossible to be comfortable.

e. Adam, the man that was a walking PR man.

f. Dye for hooking us up with free water and what not.

g. And last but not least, a special shout out to the women of Malaysia that supported my team in everyway. Hi Afree.

THE BAD: (again in no order)

a. Scheduling - this more than anything else bit the big one. 12 games in one day. I also mentioned this to a pro player, Davey Williamson and he was amazed as well. Also, 4 hours between buses from the airport, come on but hey, we didn`t wait and if no one else did, then scratch that *****. At one point we were sceduled to play 3 games at the same time. It got taken care of but not until the next day did we receive a scedule for it.

b. Price of paint. This was absolutely shocking. I did not meet one team that was not *****ing about that. Even the state run teams were complaining. Supply and demand does not mean milk the cross eyed cow till it bleeds. I tend to hear everyone talking about lack of growth in the industry and that is where it comes from. Yes, companies want to make money but there has to be a fine line. And when it comes to tournaments, paint should not be where it is done because this directly influences less cashed up teams performances.

c. Air. Lets say it again, air. What does our equipment use, AIR? Yes, a basic thing to take care of and the ball was dropped. I heard that there are about 500 teams in Malaysia and supposedly only one air compressor in the country. Was this a regulation problem? Maybe because at a world class event, there should be no less than two compressors and tanks on stand by for the crunch times. At times a 2000 fill was ridiculous. I got more PSI out of the local night dames than at the air station.

d. I had to sit through that ministers speech (Paul, your speech was good) and get busted at the airport. Why were we not cleared at the airport as being a special sport like golf (they told me at the airport that it is cleared. I guess I should throw a gold club in my bag next time). Jeez. Argh! This left a way too bitter taste in my mouth for this tournament. The final nail in the coffin. Thanks for the posters PALS. They`ll do a lot of good to promote paintball in Japan while being slept on by some homeless guy in KL!!!


THE UGLY: (*****in by me)

a. The fields got changed a bit and didn`t even look like the maps. Okay, we all had the same problem but this is ***** one.

b. A pack hit on the back that I cannot touch, had a ref four feet away that must have seen it and I got a one for one. Or my team mate with a dried paint spot on white that cannot be gotten out and gets called out even though he is crouched behind the burger and hasn`t fired a shot yet. COme on. But I heard even worse stories at the party.

c. No World cup tshirts or hats. Huh, how the F do you expect to promote paintball without these. I wanted one even if it meant buying one. Damn, contact me and I`ll do it. I don`t mind makin the bucks off of that endeavor. I`d rather have a tshirt than a poster just incase that was the trade off.

d. did I mention paint and air. okay, that one needs mentioning twice.

e. Okay, someone mentioned it in their post and I`ll back them up. The breakfast food. Not great but hey, that is not PALS fault and we all had to scarf it down and geyser it out later. Nuff said.

THATS IT> I just want to say that there was a balance of good and bad but the bad outweighed the good. I`m really struggling to keep a good frame of mind about the WCA but after sucking on the field as well, therapy is needed. Of course, if we had won, it would not have been as bad but I saw a lot of winning teams *****ing as well.

My closing comment is this - fair prices on paint, 6-8 games a day and two compressors and I would not be writing this post. Thanks for bearing with me. Malaysia, outside of paintball was great. `Maybe` see you next year.
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Old 12-13-2007, 09:25 AM #10
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Sorry to hear all the grievances guys.

I was Pauls assistant and yes, I am that Aussie guy that was behind the desk! I know that there were problems with the air and was at the fill station checking what the pressures were and keeping everything going.

As you would know we had a couple of unscheduled breaks on day 2 and that was due to air going below the 3000psi mark..... I did what I could with what resources I had! Hopefully Paul will invite me back prior to WCA 2008 in order to help PALS get better. Day 3 we were back up to 3500 most of the time and sometimes above that..... especially for the finals.

I am a paintballer myself and have played several world cups over the years as well, so I should know what paintballers want.....

P.S Adam is my assistant who was on security and PR.

Thanks for the feedback

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Old 12-13-2007, 11:55 AM #11
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Hey Martin,

Thanks for chiming in. Of course, NOBODY likes problems, and clearly you did the best you could with the resources you had to work with. The Devil is in the details.

I'd like to add a few comments on the GOOD things:

1. The guy at the fill station constantly checking to see that players on deck for games were getting priority on air fills.

2. The quality of the paint was good. Few dimples, and I experienced no in-gun breaks at all.

3. Better than expected reffing staff. Although there were maybe a few inexperienced refs out there, and I've heard some claims of bad calls (my team fell victim to one), at least there were plenty of refs on the field. I saw some really good reffing too, so hats off to the hard working refs: All guts, no glory.

4. Adam. Great guy. He deserves a raise.

Anyway, I'm glad that Martin didn't REMAIN an unsung hero and did get his (belated) thank you at the players' party.


Did anybody else notice the time Tom Cole was called up on stage? Tom came up, but wasn't introduced. He stood around looking confused for a long time, and then kind of faded back to the VIP area when the opportunity presented itself. I felt bad for him.

Were the Malaysian refs invited to the players' party?
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Old 12-13-2007, 07:25 PM #12
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i have to say, though.

all those 'free' drinks ended up costing me a LOT of money.


and i loved those 'tell me if i didn't smile' badges the Hilton staff wore.

i got one as a souvenier.


what else went south at PALS?
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Old 12-13-2007, 09:17 PM #13
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Well, talks are in progress for the next WCA event. It may be going to Terengganu for 2008? I already have the promo flyer in my hands which looks great. But of course it will be up to Pals to make those kinds of decisions. It is a good time to make sure that plans are laid to make the event even bigger and better again..... keep sending your comments guys!

However I dont think anyone can top the players party we went to except for the free drinks! Best party ever.... see some of the comments on the Aussie forum at http://www.billspaintball.com
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Old 12-14-2007, 02:07 AM #14
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Hey guys
I had a great time in Malaysia
This is my 3 rd year
The venue was fantastic
I had some problems with the draw 12 games was too much but then again it could just be my fat lazy arse
I have discussed with Paul on how to fix the air...i know a little bit about this
Congrats to all the winners and place getters
The refs done a great job in some adverse conditions
Was great to catch up with some mates that i have met previously and to meet some new ones
We personally sucked but had fun

Thanks again to all those that attended will see you next year
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Thanks Martin.

No offense with the Aussie behind the desk nickname. I appreciate your efforts and hopefully you will be involved in the preliminary planning of PALS. I remember you commenting on the 3 or so days you had to get everything ready. That should not be happening. Perhaps next year, better planning will erase the mistakes and problems of this year. No blame laid at your door.

I`m also hearing a lot of complaints about the players party. I for one had a great time. I, however, tracked the ticket guy down after buying several drinks already and got some free drinks. But I know of several of my players not getting any free drinks. Whoever is in charge of this next time, please hand out the tickets with the passes and skip the problems. If a player doesn`t show up with their passes and tickets, too damn bad.

Also, two compressors, problem solved.

Two Chronos, line-up solved.

Great paint, I agree with oh Grandmaster..lol..but not all that crash hot when you are pimping out your front players for paint donations. Sorry Chikako and thanks for the paint Reapers!!!! lol.. Make the profits in quantity and stop squeezing poor players as is.

Oh, did I mention the price of drinks going up as the night went on? That sucked big time.

But I`d like to thanks all the people that did do a great job and shared their whiskey. Adam, cheers and Ulrich, thanks. Not everything was bad. I would like to visit Malaysia again but not as a player. It was still a great time with great memories. I pray they fix the three major problems and allow WCA to become the event it should be. Thanks
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Hey Hey Hey!

Well, overall! we had a good time bros!

everything was said and I was contented on just reading posts but when I saw some problems with baggages then! BAM!!!!! then I felt I need to say somethings. hahaha!

Sorry guys, its not related to the tourney.
During the opening ceremony, the deputy minister of tourism said enjoy malaysia and shop shop shop (in that essense), and so we did shopping then while entering the Customs area, the attendant and the guard told us that we can't carry our things like that and we should check it in. wow, I already paid for our excess baggage and he wanted us to check in stuff toys and gifts for my children! hahaha! so, nothing we can do, we just checked in our other hand carries so they will allow us to pass.
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Yo Mabibo! Too bad we didn't have any chance to play against you guys!! I still owe you a bunkering!

Hope to see you again in the future!!!
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Yo Mabibo! Too bad we didn't have any chance to play against you guys!! I still owe you a bunkering!

Hope to see you again in the future!!!
hahaha! Hey Rony!
Yeah we haven't got a chance, anyway, hope to see you in all legs of PALS in 2008.
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Old 12-16-2007, 04:28 AM #19
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To whom it may concern,

I have a major problem with sponsors that make you empty your bag into the garbage and make you pay for the rest of your bags. I`m looking at the PALS poster and it states Malaysian Airlines is a sponsor and yet someone forgot to tell them paintball players carry a ton of gear. Oh yeah, but they did mention at the airport that golfers get special limits. Again, GOLF!!! Would it have been that difficult to make sure that paintballers got a special limit during WCA? I guess so. The actual flights were great though.

I pray that PALS eliminates this one next time for sure. I`m sure Malaysian Airlines would have done it in the event it was worked out earlier. Please check into this PALS. Thank you

The Hilton did an excellent job as well and thank you.
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