[yumarattler]

Hello everyone, I have been away from my automag for about 6 or 7 years now. I have recently gotten interested again in my mag because I want to convert it to pump. While doing some research I kept seeing the pneumags and I was wondering if someone could tell me how they are assisting the trigger and possibly a close up picture of the internals of the frame...

thanks

seth

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http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...3#post23730053

A few pics and some vids

*edit* some links may not work due to recent patent rulings. The patent holders do not wish to have the DIY'rs giving away their coveted secrets to the general public.

[CyberThug]

I dont get how they can sue somone if you make it with publically available parts.

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Originally Posted by CyberThug

I dont get how they can sue somone if you make it with publically available parts.

Ask Smart Parts

[CyberThug]

hahahaha!! ^ So true.

[longi]

You might be interested in this.
http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=219595

[longi]

Just to add this link, i suggest you all read the link, because Pneumatic frames are now being made and sold for the Mag! Yes thats right these are now in production and are on sale!

http://www.gforcepb.com/securestore/c377956782.2.html

There's only a limited run for now so you'd best be quick!

[Vegard]

I have a dumb question for you, what sets the pneuframe apart from a rt capable mag?

I don't know much about either which should be aparent from the question so lay off the flames please, I've only owned 1 mag and it was a cnc x-mag back in the day when there was a waiting list a couple of months long

[emopunker2004]

it uses pneumatics in the frame to trip the sear. it makes it a walkable mech.

[bd_shinobi]

Vegard how nice to see you in this section. To bad that there is all those legal issues with the pneumag

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Originally Posted by Vegard

what sets the pneuframe apart from a rt capable mag?

The only dumb question is the one not asked

A pnue mag can utilize any Mag valve, R/T or Classic, but what sets it apart from the R/T bouncing action, is the trigger itself is actually walkable like an electro. If you click on the link I provided above, it takes you to the pnuemag section of this board as well as other places on the net that share the same technology.

[Contour]

http://www.fusionowners.org/pneumag/...w_to_large.wmv

[yumarattler]

thanks for all the responses and especially for the video to do a pneumatic frame. that made things a lot clearer.

thanks again to everyone.

seth

[Vegard]

Thanks for explaining guys, that vid helped aswell!

[yumarattler]

I know there are probably a hundred threads on this matter but I was wondering what trigger frames you can usually do a pneumag conversion on. Also I was wondering if autococker frames have the same bolt paterns as the mag or if another gun has the same bolt patern as the mag

thanks


seth

[dyeforever]

autococker have the same bolt pattern as a mag.

[longi]

Most Mag frames are capable of converting to a Pneumag, i've done an intelliframe and a Chimera frame. But seriously, if you don't want to do too much modding then check out the link i posted earlier in this thread. I've ordered one, these things are now being manufactured so will probably fire a bit faster. With a home made conversion your only going to be able to atain 13 bps, maybe 14 tops. I'm still trying to develop mine further but the "off the shelf" parts hold it back a tad. A purpose built frame should hit the magic 16 bps with very little trouble as the parts inside it are designed to do that. I belive Cocker frames also bolt straight onto a Mag as their fixing holes are in the same place. I could be wrong though, but i think they line up with the rail. You'd just need somewhere to bolt on the MSV-2 3 way valve to the frame.

[yumarattler]

I just want to find a frame with descent room. I am not to worried about a place to bolt the internals down cause I should be able to weld a bracket in there with enough room. Im not really wanting to spend to much money on the frame cause this is more just a project to do a project...


thanks

seth

[longi]

Chimera frames have plenty of room if you like vert frames or there are hterse frames

http://www.themagsmith.com/store/ind...d&productId=56
Alot like intelliframes, but already milled out.

[CyberThug]

Originally Posted by longi

Most Mag frames are capable of converting to a Pneumag, i've done an intelliframe and a Chimera frame. But seriously, if you don't want to do too much modding then check out the link i posted earlier in this thread. I've ordered one, these things are now being manufactured so will probably fire a bit faster. With a home made conversion your only going to be able to atain 13 bps, maybe 14 tops. I'm still trying to develop mine further but the "off the shelf" parts hold it back a tad. A purpose built frame should hit the magic 16 bps with very little trouble as the parts inside it are designed to do that. I belive Cocker frames also bolt straight onto a Mag as their fixing holes are in the same place. I could be wrong though, but i think they line up with the rail. You'd just need somewhere to bolt on the MSV-2 3 way valve to the frame.

just curious as to why you say that a home brew you are limited to 13 or 14bps...

[longi]

The Fabco MSV-2 3 way valve isn't really designed for Paintball, let alone high cycle rates. What it is though, is easy to fit/modify without too many problems. It also provides the lightest/sweetest trigger pull of all the minimatic valves. A purpose designed valve will almost always out perform an off the shelf valve. Untill someone discovers a new valve or part and evolves it, thats going to be it's max Rate of fire. I've put around 20 boxes of paint through mine so far and i've never yet felt outgunned! I'm very pleased with the performance. It's still as fast as most markers less ramping!