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Old 10-28-2007, 12:02 AM #1
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[VIDEO] Preliminary Torque Review.

Okay I just got a Torque today. I talked to the guy at the Hard Corps booth for a good 20 minutes. Here is my preliminary review.

It IS a true force fed hopper. It's super super quiet (I can barely hear it when its on). You can use 1 9V, 2 9V's, or attach a 6 AA Harness and use those. It is true that the loader has no board, the only board to speak of is the little PCB that the buttons are attached to. The loader does 42 BPS in a drop test, and atleast 30 on guns. IT GETS MORE THAN 2-3 CASES FOR BATTERIES. If you were to leave the hopper on the entire time to run out the batteries, you would be able to shoot 8-9 cases is what I believe he said.

The Torque at first glance appears to be the baby of a Halo and a VLocity according to most people. It does look like that to me as well. Thats where the similiarities end. First of all the loader has no eyes and no sound activated system. Then what you ask? It uses a slip drive system. Now I'm not 100% sure the hell that means, but what I do know is this. When the tension on the balls reaches a certain point, it stops forcing them. This allows the loader to " ramp " up to speed according to how fast your gun shoots (atleast thats how I "think" it works) until the loader maxes itself out.

Maintainence appears to be VERY easy. Inside the loader there are 2 spring loaded nub things. When you depress one of the spring loaded nubs, you pull toward you and away from the other half of the shell. Thats it, its done. You can remove the other side after that by just depressing the other spring loaded nub. The plastic feels very very strong, and after letting people at cup and friends open and close it all night long, I'm very confident in its ability to withstand standard paintball abuse. That includes diving and the sort.

The buttons are super simple and fairly nice. It's a simple toggle switch on off, no holding the button in for 5 seconds to turn it off. You push it in, its on, you push it again and it depresses outward, and its off. That simple. A green LED says whether its on or off. The other button is a unjamming button. You simply push the button and the loader rotates reverse and it unjamms.

The paddle wheel it's also pretty neat. It has little paddles on the inside that of course force the balls down the feed tube ala the Halo (I guess the similiarities didnt stop earlier, but thats it pretty much for now). On the TOP of the paddle wheel there is a freely rotating disc called a Load Wheel. What this disc does is allows the paintballs ONTOP of the paintballs that are being fed to not have any tension on them. The loader has less mass to move.

Example.

In the halo, when you turn it on, it rotates pretty much the entire mass (looks like flushing a toilet) of the paintballs, this can cause breaks or jams or just use more battery life (stressing the motor).

In the Torque, when you turn it on, only the balls that are in the tray to be fed move, anything above them only moves when they are falling down into the tray to be fed. So its noticeably more quiet than others.

The gun comes with a pretty good 30 day warranty. If ANYTHING should happen to the loader within 30 days of purchasing it, you can send it back to them and they'll fix it free of charge.

After 30 days if anything happens to the loader, you can send it back to them with $3.00 and they'll fix anything wrong with it.

Pictures and maybe a video tomorrow.

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FULL BLOWN REVIEW AFTER THIS WEEKEND, I WILL BE PUTTING IT THROUGH A 24 HOUR SCENARIO TEST.


SHOOTING VIDEO, LOOK HERE.

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NEW TORQUE VIDEO REVIEW/STRIP DOWN VIDEO.

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INSIDE THE TORQUE, HOW IT STOPS AND GOES.

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TORQUE DROP TEST VIDEO

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Old 10-28-2007, 12:07 AM #2
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Old 10-28-2007, 12:09 AM #3
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Price at cup

$99.00

I gave him $100.00, he gave me $1.00 back.

Price after cup in stores? $99.00. Not sure if all stores are gonne be that way or not. Probably so though, atleast $99.00 and shipping.
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Well, i see you edited the 8-9 cases part, is that w/ 2 9v's?

Whats the benefit of running 1/2/3 9v's? (more life i assume?)
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Well, i see you edited the 8-9 cases part, is that w/ 2 9v's?

Whats the benefit of running 1/2/3 9v's? (more life i assume?)
Yeah the 8-9 cases part is with 2 9v's I believe.

You can only have a max of 2 9v's unless you can also add a 9v into the 6AA spot, it uses a 9v harness like the stock thing that comes with the Halo B. In total 3 9v connectors.

The benefit of more than 1 9v is faster loading speeds. I believe with 1 9v it'll feed upwards of 20+ bps, and 2 9v's its 30. Also probably longer battery life.

I'm not 100% sure on this statistic, but I believe he said with 5 milliamps on a single 9v, you could still shoot 15bps. I dont know if the milliamps are correct, but I know it was 5 something.. probably milliamps.
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can you get a video of it shotting plz. im still a little cautios about the loader after reading about it in the news

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I'll have a drop test tomorrow. Don't have any air so I won't be able to do a shooting one til I do my review of the F8.
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Hoe many 9v's will you use during droptest?
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In the drop test I will do a single 9v as well as a double 9v, and show the process in which you take it apart to put the 9v's in.
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I am going to get one tomarow after looking at it today at cup. And if they have any more of the upgrade motors left I am going to get one of those as well.

If my marker which I am going to tryto sell there tomarow as well does not sell I will do my best to get a vid of firing with it. Also will do a drop test as well so haters wont say o he sped it u or anything stupid.

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i think i found my new hopper!!


but first i wanna see it do a drop test
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Sound's good...so no modes/settings to set? How much faster can it be w/ an upgraded motor? Are there any other advantages of getting an upgraded motor?
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hm, this is very interesting ,i think i may go and get one instead of fixing up my vlocity...I would like to see a video of it drop testing/shooting, but it seems very very cool, and fast to boot, and it's good that it is a full and true force feed.
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I saw several people grab it out of his hands a couple time, but he just kept taking it back and screaming "MINE!!!".

This slip drive "looks" to be mechanical, but not totally sure on it yet. If you take it apart you'll see what I mean. I had it apart as soon as I got in the house last night. I thought with a slip drive, the shaft and the feed mechanism are engaged live and when a sensor detects any slippage between them it sends a corresponding disabling signal to the motor. This does not appear to follow that model.

I will say this. I have an 05 Angel Speed (that I never use, it was laying out) and it's got a predator board with OMFG mode, which is stinking fast..... I put this on with 2 9v batt's and a hopper full of paintballs streamed out of the end of that barrel quicker than I've ever seen. So in this case, speed does not seem to be a problem with this thing. Have to try it on my other guns too.

By the way.. not sure if I'd do 2 9v and a AA pack.... seems like a bit too much.
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slip drive sounds like a friction clutch to me. that would mean that the motor keeps spinning, but is allowed to slip inside the drive cone if there's pressure on the stack. kinda like those white lego clutch gears, if any of you know what i mean.
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Sound's good...so no modes/settings to set? How much faster can it be w/ an upgraded motor? Are there any other advantages of getting an upgraded motor?
No other modes, just 1 mode which is fast as hell.

I dont know about the motor because I didn't ask him about upgrades. I don't think there would be any other advantages to a new motor besides maybe faster loading speeds and extended battery life if done right.

I dont know why you would want any faster though..
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do you think i could bother those with this loader for pics of the insides?
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The loader does 42 BPS in a drop test, and atleast 30 on guns.

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