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Old 05-27-2007, 12:44 PM #22
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christ is nothing more than a guy who was killed on the cross for making blasphemious claims and causing a public disturbance. Keep in mind there were other people of the day who performed "miracles" and claimed to be the prodigal son. All of which is claim that has no backing.
Even Nietzsche disagrees with you and he despises Christianity even more than you.

According to Nietzsche, Christ was the closest thing to an Ubermensch that the world has ever known.
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Sorry, but he was no more superior to any other human. Nietzsche went with the available stories and used them as truths. Not very logical of him to do, especially since said stories were not written anywhere near the life of jesus. Great tales they are, but nothing more.
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Sorry, but he was no more superior to any other human. Nietzsche went with the available stories and used them as truths. Not very logical of him to do, especially since said stories were not written anywhere near the life of jesus. Great tales they are, but nothing more.
Ignorance is bliss.

Cryptic, you haven't supported any of your claims with any factual support. Stop posting your opinion and start posting fact, please.

You're the reason why Atheists look dumb.
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Ignorance is bliss.

Cryptic, you haven't supported any of your claims with any factual support. Stop posting your opinion and start posting fact, please.

You're the reason why Atheists look dumb.
What claims would you like me to back up? The fact that there is 0 evidence that jesus was anything but a man? I thought that was common sense since no one, in the last 2,000 years, has been able to prove otherwise.

Why atheists look dumb? lol

Let's us compare evidence shall we? You have a book, written by primitive man with little knowledge of how the world worked. Man that would blame floods, sacking of cities, etc on an angry god.

You then want to call us atheists ignorant and dumb when you are following stories with no backing what so ever.

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What claims would you like me to back up? The fact that there is 0 evidence that jesus was anything but a man? I thought that was common sense since no one, in the last 2,000 years, has been able to prove otherwise.

Why atheists look dumb? lol

Let's us compare evidence shall we? You have a book, written by primitive man with little knowledge of how the world worked. Man that would blame floods, sacking of cities, etc on an angry god.

You then want to call us atheists ignorant and dumb when you are following stories with no backing what so ever.
I didn't call atheists dumb, I said you make atheists look dumb by not supporting your claims.

BTW, you still haven't supported your claims.
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I didn't call atheists dumb, I said you make atheists look dumb by not supporting your claims.

BTW, you still haven't supported your claims.
Tell me what you want me to support. Then once supported I will ask you to do the same with your claims of jesus being the son of a god.
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Tell me what you want me to support. Then once supported I will ask you to do the same with your claims of jesus being the son of a god.
If you have substantial evidence to denote Christianity, post it; that's what I'm saying.

If you don't, then have some respect and keep your mouth shut.

I'm not proving the existence of God, Jesus, nor am I going to prove that Christ is the Son of God. That's not what I started; you made an attack on Christianity and I'm telling you to back it up.
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How about christianity stole stories that already existed, changed the names of some characters and then passed them off as stories from god?

Gilgamesh's flood account.
Egypt's original story of the kid in the basket.

etc?

What is funny is everytime something in the bible is proven to be logical false christians will then attempt to say it was only a metaphor when throughout its history it was taught at "truth".

Can I disprove the bible to believers? Probably not. Cause in the face of proof you only roll your eyes. Just like how the earth used to be flat.

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How about christianity stole stories that already existed, changed the names of some characters and then passed them off as stories from god?

Gilgamesh's flood account.
Egypt's original story of the kid in the basket.

etc?

What is funny is everytime something in the bible is proven to be logical false christians will then attempt to say it was only a metaphor when throughout its history it was taught at "truth".

Can I disprove the bible to believers? Probably not. Cause in the face of proof you only roll your eyes. Just like how the earth used to be flat.
OK, so good job! You finally started to listen.

Now, lets start at the top:

Let's see some evidence of your first statements about how "Christianity stole stories."

And, I would like to add that one cannot prove or disprove the Bible. Otherwise, the whole notion of faith become nonexistent and the whole point of Christ's sacrifice is taken away. So, nor you, nor I will be able to prove Christianity wrong. Sorry.
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Egyptian story of hell/kid in the basket, etc


Here is one I posted in another thead a while ago. Yet to have a religious person answer it in any way.

The creation story in genesis is clearly taken from the Babylonian/Mesopotamian creation stories of Enuma Elish:

Enuma Elish:

Divinity & Cosmos coexist at the beginning

genesis:

god creates matter & is independent of it

Enuma Elish:

Primeval chaos (Ti'amat)

genesis:

Darkness covers deep (tehom)

Enuma Elish:

Light emanates from gods

genesis:

god creates light

Enuma Elish:

Marduk creates firmament.

genesis:

god creates firmament

Enuma Elish:

Marduk creates land

genesis:

god creates land

Enuma Elish:

Marduk & Aruru create humans from clay.

genesis:

god creates humans

Enuma Elish:

Gods rest & celebrate

genesis:

god rests on the 7th day

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Mithra

Over 3,500 years old

1. Mithra was born of a virgin on December 25th in a cave, and his birth was attended by shepherds.
2. He was considered a great traveling teacher and master.
3. He had 12 companions or disciples.
4. Mithra's followers were promised immortality.
5. He performed miracles.
6. As the "great bull of the Sun," Mithra sacrificed himself for world peace.
7. He was buried in a tomb and after three days rose again.
8. His resurrection was celebrated every year.
9. He was called "the Good Shepherd" and identified with both the Lamb and the Lion.
10. He was considered the "Way, the Truth and the Light," and the "Logos," "Redeemer," "Savior" and "Messiah."
11. His sacred day was Sunday, the "Lord's Day," hundreds of years before the appearance of Christ.
12. Mithra had his principal festival of what was later to become Easter.
13. His religion had a eucharist or "Lord's Supper," at which Mithra said, "He who shall not eat of my body nor drink of my blood so that he may be one with me and I with him, shall not be saved."
14. "His annual sacrifice is the passover of the Magi, a symbolical atonement or pledge of moral and physical regeneration."
15. Shmuel Golding is quoted as saying that 1 Cor. 10:4 is "identical words to those found in the Mithraic scriptures, except that the name Mithra is used instead of Christ."
16. The Catholic Encyclopedia is quoted as saying that Mithraic services were conduced by "fathers" and that the "chief of the fathers, a sort of pope, who always lived at Rome, was called 'Pater Patratus.'"

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Gilgamesh

Predates christianity br 5,000 years at early estimates.

The Genesis story describes how mankind had become obnoxious to God; they were hopelessly sinful and wicked. In the Babylonian story, they were too numerous and noisy.
The Gods (or God) decided to send a worldwide flood. This would drown men, women, children, babies and infants, as well as eliminate all of the land animals and birds.
The Gods (or God) knew of one righteous man, Ut-Napishtim or Noah.
The Gods (or God) ordered the hero to build a multi-story wooden ark (called a chest or box in the original Hebrew).
The hero initially complained about the assignment to build the boat
The ark would be sealed with pitch.
The ark would have with many internal compartments
It would have a single door
It would have at least one window.
The ark was built and loaded with the hero, a few other humans, and samples from all species of other land animals.
A great rain covered the land with water.
The mountains were initially covered with water.
The ark landed on a mountain in the Middle East.
The hero sent out birds at regular intervals to find if any dry land was in the vicinity.
The first two birds returned to the ark. The third bird apparently found dry land because it did not return.
The hero and his family left the ark, ritually killed an animal, offered it as a sacrifice.
God (or the Gods in the Epic of Gilgamesh) smelled the roasted meat of the sacrifice.
The hero was blessed.
The Babylonian gods seemed genuinely sorry for the genocide that they had created. The God of Noah appears to have regretted his actions as well, because he promised never to do it again.

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Concerning the Mithra story, clicky. Please, I don't know too much about any of this, but I did take the time to hear you out and research a little. So, please read this article.

Concerning the Gilgamesh story, clicky. Again, I took the time to do some research, so give it a shot and read it, please.

I don't know much about Enuma Elish, nor could I find anything that compared it to Christianity, but if I do, I'll post it up.
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Please use better sources. Answersingenesis has been disproven time and time again and apologetic ministires.... You can do better.
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Please use better sources. Answersingenesis has been disproven time and time again and apologetic ministires.... You can do better.


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Please use better sources. Answersingenesis has been disproven time and time again and apologetic ministires.... You can do better.
cryp is full of diversion and little real substance.

http://www.taivaansusi.net/historia/mithraism.html

http://www.iranian.com/History/Sept97/Mitra/index.html

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I'm sorry but at least my logic makes more sense than that of the Bible.
I am truly puzzled why you seem to think all religions use the bible.
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cryp is full of diversion and little real substance.

http://www.taivaansusi.net/historia/mithraism.html

http://www.iranian.com/History/Sept97/Mitra/index.html

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You do realize that both of those links prove it existed before christianity right?
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cryptic, i just wanted to let u know, you're pretty much contradicting yourself, and if im wrong plz tell me.

you're arguing how ppl can believe a book that was written 2000 years ago by "primitive man" wat would u call ppl, o say, 5000 years before that who wrote these stories....
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cryptic, i just wanted to let u know, you're pretty much contradicting yourself, and if im wrong plz tell me.

you're arguing how ppl can believe a book that was written 2000 years ago by "primitive man" wat would u call ppl, o say, 5000 years before that who wrote these stories....
I am not saying said stories that existed before the bible have any more validity in context. Just that they existed before, thus the biblical authors plagurized said stories.
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how do u know these stories where written before the Bible....
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how do u know these stories where written before the Bible....
Scholars & archeaology show they were. Especially the Epic of Gilgamesh as it was written in cuneform, the first written language. All of the stories are from cultures that existed before any of the modern religions.
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would u mind giving me ur sources?
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