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Old 05-07-2007, 04:45 PM #22
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Old 05-07-2007, 04:52 PM #23
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Uhm, if you have the time I guess it would be helpful.
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Old 05-07-2007, 05:02 PM #26
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Old 05-07-2007, 06:14 PM #27
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problem still occurs!!!
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make sure that your eye ribbon isn't pinched between the body/top of noid.

Also, I havn't owned a pm7 yet but is there suposed to be a screw in the hole in the front? if there is, tighten it or put some locktite on it
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it should be the bolt sail oring but no matter how may times i change it it doesnt fix the prob... i'm gunna try to go to my local airsmith and see if he has some orings if not off to dye my m7 goes
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Heres the picture of all the o-rings that will cause. Try the ones outside of the beercan.
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Also, I havn't owned a pm7 yet but is there suposed to be a screw in the hole in the front? if there is, tighten it or put some locktite on it
You should NEVER EVER touch that screw. That is a screw that is plugging the air passage to the LPR. It is already loctited and sealed from the factory. Messing with that screw will just make the problem worse.
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might be a silly question, but have you taken your solenoid apart recently? i took my solenoid apart to lube the solenoid piston, but got a leak like you described once i aired it up. turned out to be the little spring in the solenoid housing that pushes the solenoid piston back in position was out of place.
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If it's not the bolt sail oring it's probably the large outer top hat oring. High pressure air is leaking past it and entering the beercan where it's being blown out the noid and also pushing the bolt forward a bit. Swap it out.

If not either of those then your noid isn't sitting flush on top of the gasket. If you took it off then you need to put it back on with even tension on both screws so the gasket seals properly. Lube the gasket up on both sides before you do this as well.

I'm betting it's the large top hat oring though...since the bolt is sliding forward a bit. Noid issues are very rare on most guns. Noids should only be touched when all other possibilities have been 100% eliminated.

A good tip when putting your bolt back into you run is to grease up the threads on the back so you don't cut orings as you push the bolt back in. Also go gently, don't force it in hard.
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i have changed all of the orings that people are saying to change i have changed the boltsail oring, both beer can orings, the tophat oring and the bolt tip oring

i have never touched the noid so i dont think it would occur so randomly i am open to any and all sudjestions they guys at dye just said to send it in... i have a tourney in a few weeks and i cant afford to be gunless
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Old 05-09-2007, 01:16 PM #35
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Well if you've done everything we said and it didn't help then the leak isn't where you're telling us it is. So until you locate the EXACT spot the leak is occuring there is nothing we can do to help you. I suggest a spray bottle with soapy water. Air it up and start squirtly lightly where you hear air(avoid getting the board wet). There may be a grub screw leaking or something like that.
Also.....did the gun every work before?
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Old 05-09-2007, 02:24 PM #36
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yes the gun got me through 3 tournies and many practices

it just happened all of a sudden

btw look at the pics and the vid that shows where it is comin from
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Old 05-09-2007, 10:20 PM #37
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Well it's hard to tell from the vid where the leak is, I just hear a noise. Your pic shows the air coming from the back of the noid, which is where it would leak if your bolt sail oring isn't sealing. So...here is what I want you to do.

Take the bolt out and pull it apart.
Grab the front of the beercan only(take the rest off) and insert the bolt by hand( you'll need to take the bolt tip oring off or insert the bolt backwards). Move it back and forth.
HOw does it feel? Does it move nice and smooth? easy? If so the oring is no good. There should be a bit of drag in there even with grease.
Change the sail oring until you get one that fits fairly snug(but not tight). Basically you should be able to shake it fairly hard and not have the front beercan fall off of the bolt until you've shaken it a few times.
Even if you have to use an oring one size bigger or try a few different ones of the proper size. Some bolt kits just come machined incorrectly, and the oring size you're supposed to use doesn't fit well. I've even used smaller CO2 tank orings on some bolts for best results.

Once you do that I want you to look at your large top hat oring. Does it sit flush with the metal on the beercan? It should stick up a hair from the metal(they all should), if it doesn't change it out for one that does.

Reassemble the gun.

Screw your LPR all the way in till you bottom out(not until you can't possibly turn it anymore...just until you hit the limit) then unscrew it 5 full turns of the allen key(counterclockwise when looking at it from the front).

Then do the same with your HPR but come out 4 full turns.

Air it up and see what happens.

If the leak is still there and hasn't changed in sound at all then we move to step 2. Try a new tank. I noticed in your picture you have a Centerflag regulator. Ive seen two of those exact regulators totally stop regulating and dump the full tank pressure into a gun....causing issues. This is bad. You may want to actually try another tank first if possible. If it's not possible move on to step 3.

Now the doozey. You're going to take your noid off and check your gasket. The most inportant part about noid removal is to use the PROPER TOOL. You'll need a tiny electronics screwdriver set. If you don't have one that fits perfectly don't even attempt this or you'll strip the tiny noid screws and be in a world of hurt. Noid removal is easy, Simply unscrew the two screws holding the noid on. I find they're usually a bit tight so you have to push down and turn until you loosen them up. Once they're out take the noid off. Be careful not to lose the rubber gasket underneath it. Inspect the gasket for any cracks or debris(even micro nicks can cause issues). Usually they're pretty durable but they can crack from time to time. If everything looks ok get a q-tip and clean the manifold area down inside the gun body. then clean the noid surface where the gasket sits and of course clean the gasket. Lube the noid body with a light coat of grease, insert the two screws onto the noid, then drop the gasket down over the screws. Lube the manifold area of the gun body with a light coat of grease then drop the noid back in and screw it on again. Remember to use the same tension on both screws when putting the noid in again. You want it sitting flat not tilted. Don't overtighten the screws either. The gasket needs room to "swell" a bit in order to maintain a proper seal. If you tighten the noid too tight the gasket will wrinkle and leak. Just nicely snug is fine.

Test. If you still have a leak it'spossible that the spool inside your noid has been damaged from dirt or something. You can try to take that apart if you feel comfortable. It's a little more nerve racking.......just make sure you do all the work on a big white towel or something where you won't lose parts. If you aren't comfy, I suggest you send it back to dye and ask them to put a rush on it. You'll probably have to pay the shipping but you'll get it in time for the event.

Do you by chance know anyone else with a pm7? If you could slip their bolt into your gun that will quickly narrow down the bolt or noid as the culprit.

Good luck!
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ok. I had a similar problem with my pm7 when I aired it up for the first time. Try taping the little screw where you are pointing to in the picture with teflon. See if that works. That solved my problem and I haven't had one since
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That's possible too. Again.....soapy water. Often a leak seems to come from one place but the air is deflected and is actually coming from somewhere else.
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the leak it way to large to use sopy water i have tried with windex...
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Old 05-11-2007, 12:02 AM #41
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well my bro had the same problem but with his pm6..
if you didnt already know, there are no hoses connecting the noid to the gun..
just a o-ring like gasket that seals the air flow from noid-to-gun.. this "gasket" broke on my brothers pm causing a leak just as you describe ..
causes same effects on bolt as well..
since its obviously not your bolt/o-rings you should either attempt taking your noid off your marker and inspecting it..
or better yet just takin it to a proshop..
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i found the problem the body has a manufactureing flaw the dye tecs are working on it now
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