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Old 04-11-2007, 05:57 PM #64
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Yes, I dislike the belief of Christianity, but Most Christians also dislike the belief of Atheism. I said nothing about disliking Christians.
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Old 04-11-2007, 06:03 PM #65
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This is what skpaintball said:

Yes, I dislike the belief of Christianity, but Most Christians also dislike the belief of Atheism. I said nothing about disliking Christians.
I didnt say you did....... Just commenting on one of your posts
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"True Christian->True Atheist->True Christian" is almost unheard of"

I suppose you'd have to define "true atheist" - but that is the path I took, and I don't think it's anywhere near as uncommon as you think. I also have a friend who was a Catholic (probably not "true" in this case) who then became a very strong atheist and a well known member of atheism.net, but later became a true Christian.

It happens both ways, but unless you can prove that one way happens more than the other, don't say so. It reveals your bias. Not to mention the insulting quote in your signature. Again I'm sure it doesn't apply to many atheists including most in here, but a lot that I come across are more interested in spouting rhetoric and insults than they are in a reasoned discussion. It doesn't help their case.

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Old 04-11-2007, 06:55 PM #67
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"True Christian->True Atheist->True Christian" is almost unheard of"

I suppose you'd have to define "true atheist" - but that is the path I took, and I don't think it's anywhere near as uncommon as you think. I also have a friend who was a Catholic (probably not "true" in this case) who then became a very strong atheist and a well known member of atheism.net, but later became a true Christian.
True Christian: One who knows the Bible well and accepts Jesus Christ. Should not apply to anyone under 13 because they have hardly come of age
True Atheist: One who knows the Bible has numerous faults, studies those faults, can argue his point
True Christian v2: One who turns back to Christ not out of fear and rejects those many, many biblical passages that he once used to show the Bible as something evil

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It happens both ways, but unless you can prove that one way happens more than the other, don't say so. It reveals your bias.
I'm using common sense on this one. If you already know the obvious and numerous faults of something, why would you go back to it? It's like buying a car, but you hate the car because it breaks down once a month, the radio sucks, and the windows don't roll up, then 5 years later buying the exact same car.

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Not to mention the insulting quote in your signature. Again I'm sure it doesn't apply to many atheists including most in here, but a lot that I come across are more interested in spouting rhetoric and insults than they are in a reasoned discussion. It doesn't help their case.
I try to use common sense, rationalizations, and evidence when showing the Bible's faults. I'm sorry it's insulting, but the Bible is extremely insulting to me (See Lev 24:16; 1 Tim 2:10-11), so could you just stop making Bibles? Thanks.

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Old 04-11-2007, 07:26 PM #68
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Yet how many people started out as pastors and are now Atheists. I used to be a Christian and posted in forums like these that all Atheists were wrong and even tried proving Jesus. But after reading the Bible a lot, I am now an Atheist.
i believe that once you are truly saved, you can not lose your salvation, there, but thats another topic and a huuuuuge thread worth of information...
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needs numbers and details to be more comprehensive as well as information about which countries the subjects were from. I think some countries have better education systems and that variable could DEFINITLY screw up your results. Or this study could of had a bias, maybe the rounded up a bunch of religious people with brain damage.
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needs numbers and details to be more comprehensive as well as information about which countries the subjects were from. I think some countries have better education systems and that variable could DEFINITLY screw up your results. Or this study could of had a bias, maybe the rounded up a bunch of religious people with brain damage.
Look at the source, it has a list of the countries.
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Old 04-11-2007, 09:53 PM #71
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i got it off some science blog.
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i got it off some science blog.
Thanks for being useless.
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I got a laugh at the chart. A laugh is the most useful thing in the world.
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In all honesty, that was very funny. And a surprisingly accurate chart.
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In all honesty, that was very funny. And a surprisingly accurate chart.
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Old 04-12-2007, 08:35 AM #77
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i believe that once you are truly saved, you can not lose your salvation, there, but thats another topic and a huuuuuge thread worth of information...
I was truly saved. I was originally a Catholic, then, after going to my mom's church, I was amazed and loved it so much, and accepted Jesus as my lord and saviour. I even had a "spiritual experience" when I saw people praying where I felt close to God which proved to me that he was real. This turns out to be nothing more than the placebo effect, and can occur in many areas of life. It's whatever you trick your brain into thinking.
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You guys do know that IQ is not an environmentaly affected trait right? Being poor and thus having bad education has nothing to do with IQ. IQ is a person's academic aptitude. Their natural ability to intake, process, and understand knowledge. Some people have a higher thresh-hold and some have a lower one. I for instance could never be a rocket scientist no matter how hard I try. I don't have the aptitude.
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Old 04-12-2007, 12:46 PM #79
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You guys do know that IQ is not an environmentaly affected trait right? Being poor and thus having bad education has nothing to do with IQ. IQ is a person's academic aptitude. Their natural ability to intake, process, and understand knowledge. Some people have a higher thresh-hold and some have a lower one. I for instance could never be a rocket scientist no matter how hard I try. I don't have the aptitude.
This is totally incorrect. One's IQ score is environmentally affected.

What you described would be what an ideal "intelligence" test would measure.
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You guys do know that IQ is not an environmentaly affected trait right? Being poor and thus having bad education has nothing to do with IQ. IQ is a person's academic aptitude. Their natural ability to intake, process, and understand knowledge. Some people have a higher thresh-hold and some have a lower one. I for instance could never be a rocket scientist no matter how hard I try. I don't have the aptitude.
in theory a perfect IQ test would be that way.

in practice IQ tests are influenced significantly by environmental factors.
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Old 04-12-2007, 06:39 PM #81
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^^ haha! That's a good joke about the mathematician!
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