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Old 12-07-2006, 02:39 PM #1
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***PMR Trouble shooting guide***

PMR TROUBLE SHOOTING GUIDE

PLEASE READ FOLLOWING THREAD IF YOUR PMR IS NEW (written by threeham):
PMR VelocityHow not to shoot orings


LEAK PROBLEMS
AIR LEAKING FROM THE AIRPORT
  • Check the O-ring on the Air system. If needed change a new o-ring and try again. The o-ring normally used is #15 but some manufacturers might use a different size. Consult the manual of the air system you are using.
  • Check that the hose connector is tight. Remove the hose from the connector by pushing the gray plastic towards the connector and pull out hose. Insert a 3/16” allen key into the connector and tighten. If needed remove and apply thread sealant to the thread and re-tighten. If unsure consult expert advice.
  • Check that the end of the hose is cut straight and is not worn out. If needed cut a small piece off the hose with a razor blade and re-insert hose into the fitting. Make sure hose goes all the way to the end.

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AIR LEAKING FROM THE HYPER2 REGULATOR
  • First locate the position of the leak
  • For dis-assembly instructions consult the technical section under Hyper2 regulator
  • If the leak is coming from the bottom of the regulator you will need to disassemble the regulator and change the #010 O-ring and the seat on the brass seat retainer mounted inside the Hyper 2 regulator
  • If the leak is coming from the swivel piece where the hose connector mounts you will need to change the two #013 o-rings under the swivel piece or tighten the hose connector.
  • If the leak comes from the small hole in the middle of the regulator there are two possible o-rings. Change the #020 o-ring on the piston and the #007 urethane o-ring inside the body of the regulator
  • If the leak is from the top of the regulator change the #015 o-ring on the outside of the cap

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AIR LEAKING FROM THE ASA
  • First make sure that the asa is tightened well into the body of the PMR by removing the Hyper2 regulator and tightening the ASA screw with a 3/16” allen key.
  • Next change the #015 o-ring on the top cap of the Hyper2 and apply a small amount of lube to the o-ring
  • Finally, if above steps don’t help remove the Asa with a 3/16” allen key and change the #012 O-ring mounted on the top of the ASA. Apply a small amount of lube and tighten back together.

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AIR LEAKING BETWEEN BODY AND FRAME
  • Leak between the body and the frame can be caused by a couple of things
  • First pull out the Bolt kit and change the #015 sail o-ring and the 3 #020 o-rings on the outside of the can
  • If above doesn’t help remove the frame from the PMR and remove the solenoid by unscrewing the two screws mounting it down. Apply some lube to the seat underneath the solenoid and re-assemble making sure that the solenoid is well tightened into the body and that the eye wire is not pinched underneath the solenoid
  • Last possibility is that one of the gas passages is leaking. Gas up the PMR without the frame attached and try to locate the exact point of leakage. If leak is coming from one of the blocked holes remove the screw, apply some thread sealant and re-attach screw to the body

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AIR LEAKING FROM BACK OF THE PMR
  • Check that the bolt kit is tightened all the way into the PMR. If the bolt kit is loose, it will start to leak
  • If above does not solve the leak, remove the bolt kit and change the #020 o-ring on the back part of the bolt. Also change the two #009 O-rings located in the stem of the bolt. Lube well and re-insert the bolt kit into the PMR.
  • Last check that the gas passage blocking screw located on the right side of the PMR is not leaking. If the leak is coming from this hole remove screw and apply thread sealant to it. Make sure to tighten screw well and wait for sealant to dry before re-gassing marker.
  • Make sure the Hyper2 reg is set properly - gas down the marker. Turn the hyper2 reg's adjuster screw all the way in, and then back it out 2.5 turns (NOTE: Starting position is different than DYE and Proto's with LPR's).

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AIR LEAKING FROM FRONT OF THE PMR
  • Remove the Bolt kit from the marker and change the #017 o-ring located inside of the can and the #014 o-ring located inside the Manifold Lube well and re-assemble.
  • If above doesn’t help try changing the #020 o-rings located outside of the Can. Lube well before re-inserting bolt kit.

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Old 12-07-2006, 02:39 PM #2
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PROBLEMS WITH ELECTRONICS

PMR WON’T TURN ON
  • Make sure battery is new and well charged
  • Check that battery is connected to the 9V clip inside the PMR and that the other end of the 9V harness is connected to the board
  • Make sure there is no dirt or debris blocking the button from being pressed PMR WILL TURN ON / OFF BY ITSELF OR THE EYES WILL TURN ON / OFF BY THEMSELVES
  • Both of these problems are caused because the button(s) are pressed all the time.
  • Remove board from the frame by removing the grip panel on the left hand side, disconnecting the cables and pulling the board out. Carefully remove the two buttons and clean them well.
  • Re-assemble and test. If problems persist, contact authorized service center for board replacement
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EYES WILL NOT WORK, LED KEEPS BLINKING GREEN
  • First change the battery. The eyes are normally the first thing to stop working when a battery is dying
  • Next try to clean the eyes. You can either use canned air and blow out the eye holes through the feed neck hole or remove the eye plates with a 1/16” allen key, pull out the eyes from the mounting holes carefully and clean them with q-tips. To test if the eyes work make sure there is nothing inside the breech and that the bolt is in the back position. Turn on the PMR, the light should be red after the boot up sequence. If it is the eyes are working.
  • Check that the eye wire is connected to the board so that metal clips are facing down.
  • If nothing above helps contact a store or DYE Precision for eye replacement. SOLENOID WILL NOT ACTIVATE / TRIGGER NOT WORKING
  • Check that the trigger adjustment is not set so that the micro switch cannot activate. You should hear a small click when pulling the trigger
  • If the PMR fires once when turned on but not after that your trigger is set so that the micro switch is always activated. Re-adjust the trigger
  • If the trigger is correctly adjusted but the PMR still won’t fire check that the micro switch cable is well inserted into the board and to the correct connector (the micro switch connector is marked with the text “SWI” on the board)
  • Change the battery if not positive about it’s charge
  • Check that the solenoid cable is attached to the board and to the right connector (solenoid should be attached to the connector that is marked with the text “SOL”)
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TRIGGER BOUNCE / PMR SHOOTING MORE THAN ONE BALL PER PULL IN SEMI AUTOMATIC MODE
  • Raise the trigger sensitivity level in the configuration mode
  • Check that the trigger is not adjusted too short
  • Make sure there is a trigger spring inside the frame
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ERRATIC VELOCITY / PMR WON’T FIRE

PMR FIRES BUT BALLS ARE DROPPING OFF OR NOT EVEN COMING OUT OF THE BARREL
  • Make sure the battery is good
  • Raise the dwell to factory level (25)
  • Make sure bolt is well lubed and moves well. If there is too much friction in the bolt it will cause the PMR to shoot down
  • Make sure air system is screwed in all the way
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FIRST SHOT IS TOO HIGH
  • Change the Seat inside the Hyper2 regulator. For dis-assembly instructions consult the technical section
  • Check that the #013 o-ring on the outside of the Manifold is in place and in good condition
  • Try turning off the ABS feature by turning dip #1 to the off position

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VELOCITY IS NOT CONSISTENT
  • Make sure the paintballs you are using fit the barrel good and are consistent in size. The stock barrel with the PMR is .690 size. You should be able to blow the paintball through the barrel but they should not roll through the barrel on their own.
  • Remove the bolt kit and re-lube it. Change any o-rings causing a lot of friction. Make sure #014 o-ring in bolt tip is in place and in good condition
  • Raise the dwell
  • Change the battery
  • Check that the Hyper2 regulator is working good and that the pressure is consistent. A separate regulator testing tool is available for this. If needed, dis-assemble and change worn out O-rings in the Hyper2 regulator
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    NOTE: Notice that the Hyper2 has a break in period of about 2000 shots before it achieves the best performance.


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DOUBLE FEEDING
  • If you get two balls firing at once change the ball detents by removing the eye plates, taking out the old ball detents and inserting new ones BREAKING PAINT
  • Make sure you use high quality paintballs and that they are stored according to the manufacturers instructions
  • Check that #14 O-ring on bolt tip is in place and in good condition
  • Make sure your loader is working good and that the rate of fire is not set higher than the maximum feed rate of the loader
  • Check that the barrel you are using is not too tight for the paintballs you are using.

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since it looks like we will not have a PMR sub-forum...
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=1854866

I created this to cut down on PMR problem threads. I will add to this as more issues come in. Please let me know if you have anything to add.
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Old 12-07-2006, 02:42 PM #4
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Man copying that stuff out of the manual must have been a pain in the ***. Thanks!

Add this to the "air leaking from back" section:

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*Make sure the Hyper2 reg is set properly - gas down the marker. Turn the hyper2 reg's adjuster screw all the way in, and then back it out 3 1/2 turns.
Add that bit because if you have the reg set outside of the operating pressure of the PMR it won't seal, and/or it will leak out the back.
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^ added

It wasn't to bad... I've done it before.
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You realize of coarse that the people that are going to actually need this aren't going to bother looking in the stickies for it and are going to have an excuse like "Oh my comp is screwed up and I can't get into the stickies, but it does work well enough to click the post new thread button."


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Old 12-07-2006, 07:03 PM #12
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just letting u know, every time u shoot there should be a bit of air coming out the back. its somewhere written in the manual, i jsut cant find it right now, something like the bolt boost something or other like that. also, if ur leaking out the back like a mofo, it could also mean ur really low on air. its happened to me lots, especially after i got the gun because i was dry firing a lot

lol, must have taken a butt load out of ur life doing this. appreciate it, but one thing that u mightve overlooked: you made this so people with the pmr can trouble shoot and stuff. but if people get the pmr, they usually have the manual, which has all the info. and the gun is too new right now to be circling b/s/t without a manual, so yeah...but this is cool, def. a help to those guys who are new with the pmr.
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The first part of that paragraph, I think almost every matrix owner knows.
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Jeporee: Yup... I do have a lot of time... I also work from home for a successful software company... so I technically got paid creating this thread.

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Why didn't you just scan it to a pdf file, or scan and do OCR text recognition?
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