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Old 11-22-2006, 09:32 PM #1
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mechanical ion

i saw a thread on a mechanical ion a wile back... can anyone give me the link... thanx
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Old 11-22-2006, 09:34 PM #2
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Old 11-22-2006, 09:35 PM #3
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yah someguy fit a a/c 3 way in the ion frame and hooked it up to the trigger so when you pulled the trigger it tripped the 3way and distributed the air accordingly
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now im really interesed (sp?) in seeing this
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Old 11-22-2006, 10:00 PM #5
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anyone got the link... if u got it just put it up on here
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Old 11-22-2006, 10:59 PM #6
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well if it was mechanical then it wouldnt be an ion, just a mech gun with ion parts
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i didn't think that was possible, now i am interested.
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ok yeah that's pretty awesome
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Old 11-22-2006, 11:38 PM #10
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Very simple, awesome idea.

Im confused tho. It was stated that thr fir chamber was completely emptied during firing? How is this possible as it looks like there is a non-interuptable flow of air to the rear banjo? Or is the recharge time so slow that its clsoe enough to empty?
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isnt that basiclly a phuentic mag?
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They're both blowforwards, but the designs are very different.

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Im confused tho. It was stated that thr fir chamber was completely emptied during firing? How is this possible as it looks like there is a non-interuptable flow of air to the rear banjo? Or is the recharge time so slow that its clsoe enough to empty?
That would be the case with a stock bolt, but the one I use in the gun is modified to seal off the air inlet.
Without the modification, the setup would still work, ie fire a ball. But it'd be horrid on the air consumption since a lot would be wasted.
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Other than making the bolt seal when forward why didnt you leave the inputs where they were? Why did you tap the side of the asa to feed the rear? Why wouldnt you put a t-fitting on the hose that feeds the threeway and send one line to the regular rear banjo like normal and another to the 3way? Wouldnt this be doable with just a T fitting, a dual oring bolt, and a 3way or valve such as the fabco msv series(used in pneumags, it only has an input and output and an exhaust)? I would think that would take care of everything.

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Wouldnt it be even easier on a DM(pre dye or with dye) by just replacing all of the electronics/noid with a cocker 3way straight up. That would be the only thing you would need to do right?

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http://www.zdspb.com/media/video/mechanicalion3.wmv

that's a video from their website.
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I could have used a t-fitting for the air, but there were two reasons why I did that I did instead. First is because I wanted it to look differnet. Second is because I found this to be less work since I already had all the parts needed, and only had to drill and tap a few things to make it work.

The original Mechion....back in 2005....was way different. It used an LP tank system that attached directly to the swivel donut only. Air was then routed backwards down out the donut to feed the three-way. I redid the gun earlier this year so I could use a regular vertical reg and Hp tank with it.

You could do the same mod to a matrix but sealing things off can be tricky, since the solenoid uses such large ports.

I've got a sweet new animation coming up....it shows the EXACT movement of an ion bolt, with and without a QEV. I just started on the drawings today, hopefully it'll be up in a few days.
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YDNA, what happened to your SRC ION BOLT UPGRADE you had going? I was looking forward to that.
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isnt that basiclly a phuentic mag?
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You could do the same mod to a matrix but sealing things off can be tricky, since the solenoid uses such large ports.
Doesnt a matrix bolt seal in the forward position? I thought the way they worked the dump chamber was never open to both the atmosphere and the input at the same time. Also wouldnt that be the case with dual oring ion bolts? Maybe Im missing something but I thought they sealed the input off when the bolt was forward, again the same as matrix bolts.

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Yeah, the matrix bolt seals it off right from the factory. The Ion stock bolts don't do this, but they can be modified to do it by adding an additional o-ring groove to the tail (which is what I did for this gun and others).
The designs of the Matrix and Ion are very similar, at least in the way the parts are laid out. Logistically they're different, but that's to be expected. the only tough thing about converting a Matrix to mechanical is that the ports the solenoid uses are larger and difficult to just tap and be done with it. You'd have to get tricky with the connections for the three-way.
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