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View Poll Results: Did they make the right call?
Yes (Dynasty Supporter) 255 26.56%
Yes (Joy Supporter) 139 14.48%
No (Dynasty Supporter) 215 22.40%
No (Joy Supporter) 351 36.56%
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Old 10-25-2006, 05:19 PM #232
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its all over so what we say isnt gonna change anything but i think they did make the right call joy used lethal force and shot cole after he was out, he knew he was out and right when he stands up he gets lit up, if he really thought he was still in he wouldnt just stand there
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Old 10-25-2006, 05:20 PM #233
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ok first of all the refs realized that BC was dead and so was fraige and the other snake player(hence them all not having armbands) so joy at this point has won the game but here comes Sebban and he BLASTS BC who was as i stated earlier DEAD. Hence sebban gets a 3 for 1 resulting in dynasty getting the pull and the hang which BC did. GAME OVER PWNED
there was no way of the Joy player knowing BC was out, BC shot at the Joy player when he came by, knowing his own band was pulled.
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Old 10-25-2006, 05:21 PM #234
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its all over so what we say isnt gonna change anything but i think they did make the right call joy used lethal force and shot cole after he was out, he knew he was out and right when he stands up he gets lit up, if he really thought he was still in he wouldnt just stand there
lethal force...lol....i love it
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Old 10-25-2006, 05:25 PM #235
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you all would have done the same thing...unless u like losing.

sebban had a blind by the beautifully engineered field layout . one of the standups in snake was blocking his view from seeing BC getting pulled, so instead of being careless, he went by the snake to make sure that he had the game won and blew everyone away..sure he didnt have to shoot every1 so many times, but out there in that adrenaline no1 thinks straight.

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Old 10-25-2006, 05:39 PM #236
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i love how everyones forgetting about the part where BC shoots seban.
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Old 10-25-2006, 06:16 PM #237
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thats is the only thing that is deff about that video. you cant tell who got shot first. the only thing you can clearly see is that the joy player kept playing after he watched the ref pull his armband off.

i think that is the only reason why they gave it to dynasty and not do a 1v1
That was a dynasty player, not a joy division player as the head ref stated. He was mistaken.
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Old 10-25-2006, 07:22 PM #238
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So I don't support either team either,

I would say that reffing is hard and with everything moving so fast it would have been a tough call. I can't say they really made a "bad" call or a "good" call but did they best they can.

Not sure if this has been said before, but thought i picked it up a little in the video.

Per NPPL rule book
"Compressing Bunkers. Players found to be altering a bunker to gain an
advantage for elimination, such as pushing the marker or body between two
bunkers, compressing the shapes, stepping or jumping on, or moving the
bunker off its axis will be eliminated. The initial contact of the hand on the
bunker will be allowed provided it does not compress the shape excessively
or move it off its axis."

Technically BC did compress that bunker when he came over it and I know it is not used much but could've been called out for this, thus negating the shooting of the joy snake player, actually he would have been overshooting and D should have the 3-for-1. Now i think the joy guy coming down the snake was totally wrong, plus it is a technically a flag game so why not go after the flag and go hang it for the win. Obviously he wanted to shoot someone so the Joy 3-for-1 should stick to.

Conclusion: should have gone to a one-on-one at the very least!
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Old 10-25-2006, 07:59 PM #239
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where's the choice for no (didnt care just upset with such bad reffing). but its too late now. i just put joy because they got screwed out of the most here. (had chance to win but confusion/bad calls prevented that) nice to see dynasty win the series after a pretty bad season in their terms, and with a tough loss of ollie lang. but wish it had come without so much controversy and w/o fraige playing ref.
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Old 10-25-2006, 08:11 PM #240
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that compressing the bunker rule is really just to prevent people from sticking their guns through cracks, shooting under bunkers, etc.
coming into contact with a bunker while diving over it isnt a penalty.
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Old 10-26-2006, 04:25 PM #241
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Do you think England recovered from Maradona's hand of god goal all those years ago that knocked us out of the world cup 1986... NO we didn't and niether will Joy and its followers but Dynasty have to live for the rest of their lives knowing Joy were a better team of 2006 nppl, 25'000 dollars will soon be spent but the resentment for the cheat will live on.
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Old 10-26-2006, 04:57 PM #242
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The call that Perez was talking about makes sense, I just don't know where they pull the joy guys armband and he continued playing on.
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Old 10-26-2006, 05:01 PM #243
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Do you think England recovered from Maradona's hand of god goal all those years ago that knocked us out of the world cup 1986... NO we didn't and niether will Joy and its followers but Dynasty have to live for the rest of their lives knowing Joy were a better team of 2006 nppl, 25'000 dollars will soon be spent but the resentment for the cheat will live on.
lmao i dont think they will find it too tough to live with. it was the ref's call, not theirs
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Old 10-26-2006, 05:02 PM #244
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They didn't pull a joy armband it was a Dynasty arm band.

The bad thing is Perez doesn't even know the difference between Joy and Dynasty.
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Old 10-26-2006, 05:15 PM #245
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Watch the vid on PBstar. You can see the entire decision making process as the refs go through it. All the way from when the ref was telling BC that Dynasty lost through the realization that a penalty needed to be called thus handing the game back to Dynasty.

It's far too complicated to explain, much easier if you watch the entire thing unfold.

I still have an issue with the whole thing, I'm having a hard time pinpointing which player is getting called for malicious intent and when the Joy player had his arm band pulled.

However: In a perfect world the Joy player running to bunker Alex would have had a 1 for 1 pulled on him which would eliminate the second Joy player. This would have left BC and Alex both alive at the end of the point for the pull and the hang.
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Old 10-26-2006, 05:24 PM #246
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Old 10-26-2006, 05:30 PM #247
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I still have an issue with the whole thing, I'm having a hard time pinpointing which player is getting called for malicious intent and when the Joy player had his arm band pulled.
Pictures and video show that no JD armbands were pulled until after the "overshooting" occurred. Both Dynasty had thier armbands removed when BC shot his gun at the JD player and Alex grabbed at the JD player.
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Old 10-26-2006, 05:51 PM #248
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Watching it over and over as the first JD guy runs the through the ref to the left raises his hand to his head and points at the Dynasty player, signaling an elimination then changes his story when the refs are talking after to say that he was wiping Fraige which was it if he was wiping why did Fraige stand up and follow the ref if he's being wiped he'd play on, anyway the ref makes no real effort for the JD arm band he dives to the ground to re-watch the action then re-acts after BC bunkers and everyone stands up no-one acts as if to play on except blind running Sebban who's in mid flow run through. The ref had made his decision telling BC he couldn't hang the flag...out of all the ref's it's BC who brings up first the over shooting then later the motion of JD shooting after an elimination. The JD player in the snake shot till the ref pulls his band then points his gun straight into the air while Dynasty still are waving theirs around. These arguments can go back and forth forever each with their point of view.

All I can say is I look forward to next year as I know Joy are a Team to learn, evolve and I know this will drive them to practice that bit harder and longer...
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Old 10-26-2006, 08:53 PM #249
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no look the thing is Alex and Scandel traded which eliminates both players and BC in that split second jumped over and of course shot the joy player and the joy at BC which in this case the joy Player had a 1 for 1 penalty beacuse he was already dead cuz he traded out with alex and then shot BC which is acknowlodging that he his playing on wen he has hits on him.
I REST MY CASE AND OPINION....DYNASTY WON but JOY PLAYED A SUPER EVENT, from rough start to a great ending which is clearly something to be proud of and they are the next contenders for dynasty we can say that xsv isnt the team dynasty needs to fear its joy. PEACE PPL

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Old 10-26-2006, 09:18 PM #250
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I think the only thing we're going to learn from all this is, cause as much confusion on the field, don't walk off right away, and throw a tantrum at the refs when you get out. Good job Dynasty, way to out act..er I mean out play Joy.

And Sebban, next time you come through and a player without an armband shoots at you, dont hit him 4-5 times, unload your hopper. If you're going to get a six game suspension anyways, at least make it look good.
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I think the only thing we're going to learn from all this is, cause as much confusion on the field, don't walk off right away, and throw a tantrum at the refs when you get out. Good job Dynasty, way to out act..er I mean out play Joy.

And Sebban, next time you come through and a player without an armband shoots at you, dont hit him 4-5 times, unload your hopper. If you're going to get a six game suspension anyways, at least make it look good.
lol...lol...lol
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I think the only thing we're going to learn from all this is, cause as much confusion on the field, don't walk off right away, and throw a tantrum at the refs when you get out. Good job Dynasty, way to out act..er I mean out play Joy.

And Sebban, next time you come through and a player without an armband shoots at you, dont hit him 4-5 times, unload your hopper. If you're going to get a six game suspension anyways, at least make it look good.
lol...lol...lol
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