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Old 10-25-2006, 03:27 PM #22
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Was that hit on the snake player from an already dead alex, though? That's what the ref on the field called, as in the lucky video, where he said to BC and the snake player "you both are gone".
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Old 10-25-2006, 03:30 PM #23
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That was alex in the snake
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Alex was pulled at that point. (6.26 in the lucky video) The call on the field was that the JD player bunkered angel cleanly. BC came over and traded with the first JD player in the snake. The ref clearly says in the lucky video "both of you are out" at about the 8.29-8.32 mark. He proceeds to take BCs armbad at 8.31. At the 8.34 mark, 3 seconds after BCs armband is pulled, we see him, with his gun pointed at the JD player, appear to shoot his gun while his armband was pulled. The 3 for 1, according to the call by the head ref, should be on him. The JD player shot back, as anyone would, when they were getting shot at.

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Old 10-25-2006, 03:49 PM #25
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I agree with you but that was Alex. Angel was hurt earlier in the tournament. I dont think that BC shot the Joy player until after he landed on the ground.

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Sorry, fixed that.

The call was they both shot each other. I think the ref saw it better than us. closer/better angle.
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we have yet to see pics of hits on the Joy player after bunkering Alex. We do have pics of Alex with about 3 shots on his shoulder, and him tyring to hit Scandal long after he's passes.

You cannot tell from any of the vids if the Joy player is hit running by Alex. If YOU can, than freeze the frame and show us.
Its in the sequence of pics in one of the threads. I dont feel like diggin through all the threads to find them, but it is the sequence of REALLY good pics that someone took of the Joy guy running down the snake side. Not the last guy, the first. Its in one of the threads, they were taken by the same guy that took the pics of BC and Alex making funny faces.
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Old 10-25-2006, 04:12 PM #28
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You mean this? Geekwarrior made the correct statement. This pictures do confirm that alex was trying to hit scandal after he passed, aka- after scandal had already hit him:
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I'll check this new video when I get home from work, but from the footage at PBFilms.com, it appeared that the Joy Snake player was shot AFTER he bunkered Fraige.

Look at the following frame captures from the video, take note of the angle of the splat.. and once he lands, take note of how far back the hit on the shoulder is.... even when laying down, the hit appears more to the middle & back of the shoulder which implies the Joy player was passing or past Fraige before Fraige shot him.













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But that series of photos from PBSTAR only has the JD players back. Cant really see his arm.
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Its in the sequence of pics in one of the threads. I dont feel like diggin through all the threads to find them, but it is the sequence of REALLY good pics that someone took of the Joy guy running down the snake side. Not the last guy, the first. Its in one of the threads, they were taken by the same guy that took the pics of BC and Alex making funny faces.
no its not, there are no pics. darkside and pbstar don't show Scandal getting shot. It shows Alex turing his gun on Scandal, it shows Alex with 3-4 hits on his arm, and it show Alex trying to hit Scandal after he hiself has been hit. Again, show me the pics, because as of yet, no one has shown any pics Scandal hit before or while bunkering Alex. In fact, if you look at the pics of Scnadal when he gets up by BC, there are no hits on the whole front of his shirt, which if Alex got him, you'd think there would be. The ref did not call Scandal out until he traded out with BC.
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LOOK AT REF #28, HE's NOT EVEN LOOKING AT THE SNAKE!!! OMFG!!!
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LOOK AT REF #28, HE's NOT EVEN LOOKING AT THE SNAKE!!! OMFG!!!
he's turning away because Alex is missing Scandal and hitting him.

seriously though, the only explanation for him looking away like that is because he's taking paint.

and notice all the paint on Alex's arm?
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Alex was pulled at that point. (6.26 in the lucky video) The call on the field was that the JD player bunkered angel cleanly. BC came over and traded with the first JD player in the snake. The ref clearly says in the lucky video "both of you are out" at about the 8.29-8.32 mark. He proceeds to take BCs armbad at 8.31. At the 8.34 mark, 3 seconds after BCs armband is pulled, we see him, with his gun pointed at the JD player, appear to shoot his gun while his armband was pulled. The 3 for 1, according to the call by the head ref, should be on him. The JD player shot back, as anyone would, when they were getting shot at.

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glad to see im not the only one who realized that.
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couple of things...
1. I'm glad I didn't have to make that call...sheeesh!
2. Some of us are making points using grainy video that dosn't show all the action.
3. Some more of us are using photo sequences witch don't relate to real time. It's easy to see who hit who in still frame, but when those frames are fractions of a second apart, it's difficult to tell who hit who first i real life.
4. See #1
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A 1 on 1 would have been cool to see, and if they put Greenspan or Fraige up, they would take it.
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A 1 on 1 would have been cool to see, and if they put Greenspan or Fraige up, they would take it.
It's funny how your statements change every post :nododgy:
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looks to me that the joy player shot alex first, alex turned on him so alex is out, joy player is still in.

then BC trades with the joy snake player making them both out

the ref pulls both of their armbands, yet BC goes right back to playing, thus playing on and should be a penalty.

then the last joy player comes up and him and BC would have traded, yet BC was already pulled out.

just to make sure hes out, the last joy player gives him less than 10 balls, which is usual yet they pull him for no reason

Joy deserved the win because BC was out yet still hung the flag

And I was screaming for the 1 on 1 with everyone else because BC would have lost it
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looks to me that the joy player shot alex first, alex turned on him so alex is out, joy player is still in.

then BC trades with the joy snake player making them both out

the ref pulls both of their armbands, yet BC goes right back to playing, thus playing on and should be a penalty.

then the last joy player comes up and him and BC would have traded, yet BC was already pulled out.

just to make sure hes out, the last joy player gives him less than 10 balls, which is usual yet they pull him for no reason

Joy deserved the win because BC was out yet still hung the flag

And I was screaming for the 1 on 1 with everyone else because BC would have lost it
He traded with Alex, in any tournament, anywhere, that would have been called a trade. All the choady cheating and playing on has made it that way. Had it been in D3, you wouldnt be sitting here arguing wether he traded with Alex or not, you would accept it. Because taht is how most trade outs go, usually the one doing the bunkering is the one who shoots first, but the refs will always call it a trade.
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looks to me that the joy player shot alex first, alex turned on him so alex is out, joy player is still in.

then BC trades with the joy snake player making them both out

the ref pulls both of their armbands, yet BC goes right back to playing, thus playing on and should be a penalty.

then the last joy player comes up and him and BC would have traded, yet BC was already pulled out.

just to make sure hes out, the last joy player gives him less than 10 balls, which is usual yet they pull him for no reason

Joy deserved the win because BC was out yet still hung the flag

And I was screaming for the 1 on 1 with everyone else because BC would have lost it
The one on one would have been with someone else, not BC. Both teams would have gotten to choose a player, and Greenspan and Fraige would have probably been the ones to play it, and they more than likely would win it.
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He traded with Alex, in any tournament, anywhere, that would have been called a trade. All the choady cheating and playing on has made it that way. Had it been in D3, you wouldnt be sitting here arguing wether he traded with Alex or not, you would accept it. Because taht is how most trade outs go, usually the one doing the bunkering is the one who shoots first, but the refs will always call it a trade.
True that, but theres a lot more pissed off fans here than a d3 game, but i theres no way the refs could have seen it like we've seen it in the videos so they did their best and oh well i cant wait for hb
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He traded with Alex, in any tournament, anywhere, that would have been called a trade. All the choady cheating and playing on has made it that way. Had it been in D3, you wouldnt be sitting here arguing wether he traded with Alex or not, you would accept it. Because taht is how most trade outs go, usually the one doing the bunkering is the one who shoots first, but the refs will always call it a trade.
It was not a trade though, atleast so the ref says, and I agree with him based on the video.
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Dynasty wins that game in my view.Joy player trades with Alex, plays on which is a 1 4 1, other Joy player eliminated, BC left standing, Dynasty wins. What I am confused aboout is when did the other Joy player (the malicious shooter) get his band pulled?
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