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Old 10-25-2006, 04:52 PM #22
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No, they did not make a call from the rule book. You would realize this if you watched the vids a few times. Dan Perez specifically states that he called the 3-for-1 because the Joy player played on WITHOUT an armband. In reality, that armband was NEVER pulled during the game. To make matters worse, Brian Cole's armband was removed before he hung the flag.
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Yea, i saw it on NPPL Live...or w/e. I think it was BS that Joy didn't win that. I agree with the call on the overshooting, but not the call on BC and Fraige. BC was hit on his arm (you can't see it but, you can tell he was getting majorly pooned cause of all the shots around him) and the ref that pulled the snake guy for joy was busy pulling fraige. So, the ref that pulled Joy's snake was just pulled for nothing. He (the ref) didn't see it at all.

Joy should have won, but, they should still get the 6 game suspension.
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******- I dunno if you are agree'ing w/ the calls but, Joy should have won. Joys snake player wasn't pulled at the time of BC jumping over the snake. If that was the case, he should have pulled the joy guy first if that was the case. Joy should have won.

I like neither of these teams, so i really didn't care, but joy got ****ted on.
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Yea...

See, i thought Dynasty (before maximus talked) won that game. Then when he started to point it out, you see everything. BC was getting hella shot at, you could see the paint hit the bunkers and the ground on the instant replay.

I do agree w/ the over shooting, Seban could have been confused, but He turned to see if there was anyone else on the feild, then spun back a little bit more and raped BC.

BC did a good job converting the refs...even though, Dynasty was favored to win it.
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Yes, but the overshooting didn't happen before BC got shot (at or was shot...). In that situation, they should have pulled BC too because if they would have done it like football (where you challenge the call) then they would have saw BC was getting shot at. Therefore, no ref seeing it happen, and they really have to pull BC if there is any paint on him...even if it was from the Joy snake player because that could have came from Seban. Who knows?

So even if the penalty "Trumps" BC getting shot, the game should have went to Joy because BC should have been called eliminated.

Some stuff i have said about this matter. PSP > NPPL (ref wise...and probably playing wise)
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Old 10-25-2006, 04:52 PM #23
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short answer- no, and they wont, b/c of what paintballa49 said - advertising.
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hell maybe SP should drop the sponsership of dynasty that would really make a statement
Exacty. Fanboys are just too damn dumb. They freak out when one of their teams doesnt get a good call. Watch Joy drops wdp this next year for say, Eclipse. And they get cheated like this again, next year. Do you think wdp fanboys will care? No.


If you haven't noticed, you fanboys should be lucky when a wdp team makes top 3.
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No, they did not make a call from the rule book. You would realize this if you watched the vids a few times.

If they did that and the NPPL submitted, the doors would be open for all kinds of abuses by the league's business partners, and this is never healthy. Business control of the league can only lead to bad things.
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could this turn out like those SAT scandles where now ACT is more accepted, will PSP become the dominate league?
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Exacty. Fanboys are just too damn dumb. They freak out when one of their teams doesnt get a good call. Watch Joy drops wdp this next year for say, Eclipse. And they get cheated like this again, next year. Do you think wdp fanboys will care? No.


If you haven't noticed, you fanboys should be lucky when a wdp team makes top 3.
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Old 10-25-2006, 04:57 PM #28
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just kidding, ****tard.
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I dont see why everyone doesnt just drop the whole damn thing... the refs made there call and thats that... Bad calls are made in extremely competetive sports all the time and life goes on.
I am a joy and WDP supporter, but i could care less who REALLY is at fault simply because weather or not the call was bad, the call was still made and the ruling was still made. The tourney is over. Let Joy pwn dynasty again later.
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so if you feel that JOY won thats fine, there are plenty of people that doubt the outcome of the civil war also.
eh... if you shot someone in war they didn't wait for someone to pull their armband, they just died. No replay, no refs, just dead. Hard to compare a paintball match to war.

But compare it to college football, pro football, major league baseball, where umpires and referees are under heavy scrutiny for making the right call in a pinch, especially if that pinch is during finals/bottom of the 9th/4th quarter with seconds to go etc. In those games fans get very emotional about bad calls, or even shady questionable calls, and rightly so. Its really important to make the right call with that much riding on it.
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like people having been saying, WDP pulling out of the NPPL would be a serious business error.

By pulling out of the NPPL, they will be removed from representation as a vendor (not like you have to be a sponsor to be a vendor, but im sure, out of the reason for withdrawing their sponsorship, the NPPL would not permit a WDP representation in the vendor area).

the WDP is also not a PSP sponsor nor does it show up with at tent in the vender's area at PSP events.

With WDP out of the NPPL and PSP, they would have NO representation in the US, losing a HUGE market for themselves. It wouldnt be wise for them to do so.

besides its not WDP's fight (or fault for that matter) for what happened in the NPPL (at Boston, SD and OC). Thats solely the ability showed by the players who represent WDP.

People just need to get over this. blow your steam if you must, but you need to get over it so that the leagues, companies and players/teams can get on with doing their thing.
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Old 10-25-2006, 05:15 PM #32
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the WDP is also not a PSP sponsor nor does it show up with at tent in the vender's area at PSP events.
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Old 10-25-2006, 05:40 PM #33
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Exacty. Fanboys are just too damn dumb. They freak out when one of their teams doesnt get a good call. Watch Joy drops wdp this next year for say, Eclipse. And they get cheated like this again, next year. Do you think wdp fanboys will care? No.


If you haven't noticed, you fanboys should be lucky when a wdp team makes top 3.
Actually Jordan, WDP won the manufacturers championship this year, becoming the most successful manufacturer in the NPPL (again). Something that looked completely impossible before the A1 was launched. That lucky too?

.......no, I didn't think so.

WDP have no choice but to accept the decision made by the refs on the field, same as any other manufacturer/sponsor whose teams play in it. Personally I think it was a bum call, and that Joy should have won, but it doesn't really matter anymore.

Your information on who owns the NPPL/PP is also flawed Jordan, it just looks like you have been believing everything you hear again, and re-quoting it as the truth, which in this case (and others I have seen), it is not.
WDP have no intention of pulling sponsorship of the NPPL. This was the most exciting finals action I have ever seen, and the OC event was another great event.

One more thing for Jordan - Joy have been with WDP for 14 years, they are personal friends, and are not going anywhere. The Joy Guys are WDP to the core, and proud of it. It is, and always has been, a great pleasure to sponsor them.
Whoever said that WDP will not be at the PSP again is also wrong. Starting with the World Cup, WDP will have a presence at every PSP event, also every CFOA event.

I hope this clears a few things up. Try to get your facts straight from time to time, or if you want to know something, go ahead and ask me - at least you'll get a straight answer and won't have to listen to the biased, corrupted, and in some cases, straight-up fabricated opinions of those that don't know what thay are talking about.

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if they pull out would it really matter.. i forgot how many teams use angels again .. who do they sponsor besides rage an joy..
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Whoever said that WDP will not be at the PSP again is also wrong. Starting with the World Cup, WDP will have a presence at every PSP event, also every CFOA event.
**** yea! Hopefully some other companies (Dye, Eclipse, SP, Etc...) will follow suite.
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Per the rules Alex should have a 3 game suspension for the following (please view pic)



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NPPL RULE 21.03 Three-Game Suspension. Players may be suspended, causing the team to play short for three games for the following infractions1) Outbursts. Throwing smaller equipment (e.g., goggles, harness) in an
unsportsmanlike like manner.
(2) Physical contact during or after play that does not result in injury (e.g., shove,grab, shoulder-bump).
(3) Verbal Abuse. Verbally abusing any individual during or after play.
(4) Shooting at a Velocity of 320fps or higher.
(5) Not having a Barrel Blocking Device on maker in un goggled area.
(6) Not having the marker bagged outside Players Paddocks.
(7) Illegal Reentry. Player leaves the dead box and reenters the field, but does not shoot any paintball

BC should not have been able to hang the flag for the following reason from the rules.

NPPL Rule (3) Eliminated. Referee will signal when a player is eliminated by holding his right hand on top of his head and pointing his left arm at the player who is eliminated. The Referee will then pull the eliminated player’s armband. The Referee cannot put a player back in after calling a player eliminated with a hand signal.

Also BC should have received the following Penalties

NPPL RULE 18. Illegal Activities
18.01 Playing-On. A player that continues to play after being marked with paint is
Playing-On. Playing-On includes, but is not limited to:
(i) Continuing to shoot or otherwise engage the opposition,
(ii) Continuing to move, except with respect to exiting the field by the most direct route or at the
direction of a Referee,
(iii)Talking, signaling or otherwise communicating, either to a Referee, opposing players or
teammates, except that a player may say, “Hit” or, “Out” or something to that effect once,
(iv) Impeding the progress of opposition players or a Referee,
(v) Hampering a Referee in making a paint check or a call,
(vi) Discharging or degassing the marker or providing teammates with paintballs or equipment.
(vii) Remaining in the game while making no effort to leave the field. This also should have been on Alex.

So don't tell me they reffed right out of the rule book. Joy should have received the win.

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Per the rules Alex should have a 3 game suspension for the following (please view pic)



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NPPL RULE 21.03 Three-Game Suspension. Players may be suspended, causing the team to play short for three games for the following infractions1) Outbursts. Throwing smaller equipment (e.g., goggles, harness) in an
unsportsmanlike like manner.
(2) Physical contact during or after play that does not result in injury (e.g., shove,grab, shoulder-bump).
(3) Verbal Abuse. Verbally abusing any individual during or after play.
(4) Shooting at a Velocity of 320fps or higher.
(5) Not having a Barrel Blocking Device on maker in un goggled area.
(6) Not having the marker bagged outside Players Paddocks.
(7) Illegal Reentry. Player leaves the dead box and reenters the field, but does not shoot any paintball

BC should not have been able to hang the flag for the following reason from the rules.

NPPL Rule (3) Eliminated. Referee will signal when a player is eliminated by holding his right hand on top of his head and pointing his left arm at the player who is eliminated. The Referee will then pull the eliminated player’s armband. The Referee cannot put a player back in after calling a player eliminated with a hand signal.

Also BC should have received the following Penalties

NPPL RULE 18. Illegal Activities
18.01 Playing-On. A player that continues to play after being marked with paint is
Playing-On. Playing-On includes, but is not limited to:
(i) Continuing to shoot or otherwise engage the opposition,
(ii) Continuing to move, except with respect to exiting the field by the most direct route or at the
direction of a Referee,
(iii)Talking, signaling or otherwise communicating, either to a Referee, opposing players or
teammates, except that a player may say, “Hit” or, “Out” or something to that effect once,
(iv) Impeding the progress of opposition players or a Referee,
(v) Hampering a Referee in making a paint check or a call,
(vi) Discharging or degassing the marker or providing teammates with paintballs or equipment.
(vii) Remaining in the game while making no effort to leave the field. This also should have been on Alex.

So don't tell me they reffed right out of the rule book. Joy should have received the win.

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pull sponsorships? are you insane, unless 5 year olds run wdp they wont pull out from nppl.


bad calls are made every event, joy shouldnt have won, the first snake guy played on after trading with alex and so did bc it should have been a 1 on 1 for sure.

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Per the rules Alex should have a 3 game suspension for the following (please view pic)



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NPPL RULE 21.03 Three-Game Suspension. Players may be suspended, causing the team to play short for three games for the following infractions1) Outbursts. Throwing smaller equipment (e.g., goggles, harness) in an
unsportsmanlike like manner.
(2) Physical contact during or after play that does not result in injury (e.g., shove,grab, shoulder-bump).
(3) Verbal Abuse. Verbally abusing any individual during or after play.
(4) Shooting at a Velocity of 320fps or higher.
(5) Not having a Barrel Blocking Device on maker in un goggled area.
(6) Not having the marker bagged outside Players Paddocks.
(7) Illegal Reentry. Player leaves the dead box and reenters the field, but does not shoot any paintball

BC should not have been able to hang the flag for the following reason from the rules.

NPPL Rule (3) Eliminated. Referee will signal when a player is eliminated by holding his right hand on top of his head and pointing his left arm at the player who is eliminated. The Referee will then pull the eliminated player’s armband. The Referee cannot put a player back in after calling a player eliminated with a hand signal.

Also BC should have received the following Penalties

NPPL RULE 18. Illegal Activities
18.01 Playing-On. A player that continues to play after being marked with paint is
Playing-On. Playing-On includes, but is not limited to:
(i) Continuing to shoot or otherwise engage the opposition,
(ii) Continuing to move, except with respect to exiting the field by the most direct route or at the
direction of a Referee,
(iii)Talking, signaling or otherwise communicating, either to a Referee, opposing players or
teammates, except that a player may say, “Hit” or, “Out” or something to that effect once,
(iv) Impeding the progress of opposition players or a Referee,
(v) Hampering a Referee in making a paint check or a call,
(vi) Discharging or degassing the marker or providing teammates with paintballs or equipment.
(vii) Remaining in the game while making no effort to leave the field. This also should have been on Alex.

So don't tell me they reffed right out of the rule book. Joy should have received the win.
Your probably is you are viewing it from what did Dynasty do wrong, and aren't looking at what Joy did as well.
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Old 10-25-2006, 07:53 PM #42
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I'm not saying just Dynasty was at fault both team had rule Infringements to the point it should have just been a wash and let them go to a one on one to settle it.
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