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Old 10-05-2006, 12:53 AM #64
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Recipe for quality STP thread:

-1 part baseless, unfounded conspiracy theory
-2 parts vitriole mixed with a jigger of rabid partisanship
-1 part pure, unfiltered bull****

Stir well and serve with plenty of angry emoticons.
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Old 10-05-2006, 01:49 AM #65
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-1 part pure, unfiltered bull****
1 part? Have you read any of the threads around here lately? More like a whole truckload.
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Old 10-05-2006, 07:49 AM #66
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the Great thing about this country is that everyone, citizen or not, is equally protected under the law and therefore afforded the same rights.




Non citizens get better rights then what i can get.









I forgot who said this but the middle class white male are now the new oppressed. Just throwing in what i see.
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Old 10-05-2006, 07:18 PM #67
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Once you step into a court room you have no rights anyways. Next time you walk into a court house or any Government building, check if there is a gold fringe around the flag. If so then you are under Martial Law and the Consitution is void upon entering. Here is a summed up example from http://www.apfn.org/apfn/flag.htm

"The flags displayed in State courts and courts of the United States have gold or yellow fringes. That is your WARNING that you are entering into a foreign enclave, the same as if you are stepping into a foreign embassy and you will be under the jurisdiction of that flag. The flag with the gold or yellow fringe has no constitution, no laws, and no rules of court, and is not recognized by any nation on the earth, and is foreign to you and the United States of America. more information

MILITARY FLAG WITH THE GOLD FRINGE

Martial Law Flag "Pursuant to 4 U.S.C. chapter 1, 1, 2, & 3; Executive Order 10834, August 21, 1959; 24 F.R.6865; a military flag is a flag that resembles the regular flag of the United States, except that it has a YELLOW FRINGE border on three sides. The President of the United States designates this deviation from the regular flag, by executive order, and in his capacity as Commander-in-Chief of the military. The placing of a fringe on the national flag, the dimensions of the flag and the arrangement of the stars in the union are matters of detail not controlled by statute, but are within the discretion of the President as Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy." 34 Ops. Atty. Gen. 83.

President, Dwight David Eisenhower, by Executive Order No.10834, signed on August 21, 1959 and printed in the Federal Register at 24 F.R. 6865, pursuant to law, stated that: "A military flag is a flag that resembles the regular flag of the United States, except that it has a yellow fringe border on three sides."

THE LAW OF THE FLAG

The Law of the Flag, an International Law, which is recognized by every nation of the planet, is defined as:

"... a rule to the effect that a vessel is a part of the territory of the nation whose flag she flies. The term is used to designate the RIGHTS under which a ship owner, who sends his vessel into a foreign port, gives notice by his flag to all who enter into contracts with the ship master that he intends the Law of that Flag to regulate those contracts, and that they must either submit to its operation or not contract with him or his agent at all." Ref.: Ruhstrat v. People, 57 N.E. 41

By the doctrine of "four cornering" the flag establishes the law of the country that it represents. For example, the embassies of foreign countries, in Washington D.C., are "four cornered" by walls or fencing, creating an "enclave." Within the boundaries of the "enclave" of the foreign embassy, the flag of that foreign country establishes the jurisdiction and law of that foreign country, which will be enforced by the Law of the Flag and international treaty. If you enter an embassy, you will be subject to the laws of that country, just as if you board a ship flying a foreign flag, you will be subject to the laws of that flag, enforceable by the "master of the ship," (Captain), by the law of the flag.

When you enter a courtroom displaying a gold or yellow fringed flag, you have just entered into a foreign country, and you better have your passport with you, because you may not be coming back to the land of the free for a long time. The judge sitting under a gold or yellow fringe flag becomes the "captain" or "master" of that ship or enclave and he has absolute power to make the rules as he goes. The gold or yellow fringe flag is your warning that you are leaving your Constitutionally secured RIGHTS on the floor outside the door to that courtroom.

This is exactly why so many judges are appointed, and not elected by the people. The Federal judges are appointed by the President, the national military commander in chief. The State judges are appointed by the Governors, the state military commanders. The judges are appointed because the courts are military courts and civilians do not "elect" military officers.

Under martial law, you are presumed guilty until proven innocent.

The gold-fringed flag only stands inside military courts that sit in summary court martial proceedings against civilians and such courts are governed in part by local rules, but more especially by "The Manual of Courts Martial", U.S., 1994 Ed., at Art. 99, (c)(1)(b), pg. IV-34, PIN 030567-0000, U.S. Government Printing Office, Wash. D.C. The details of the crimes that civilians can commit, that are classed as 'Acts of War,' cover 125 pages in the Manual of Courts Martial.

Under Article IV, section 3, of the Constitution for the united States of America, no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State. So -- Why have the judges of the State and Federal courts been allowed to erect foreign enclaves within our public courthouses under a foreign flag with the yellow fringe upon the soil of your state?

We just thought you would like to know, so that the next time you see this yellow fringed flag you will know what you are looking at and what it really means. If you are in Spain and you see the National Flag of Spain, you would know that you are under the jurisdiction of Spain; and their laws govern you at this time. You are officially NOTICED when you see their flag. This is an admiralty law that says that all who see this flag understand they are governed by the laws of the country that this flag represents. You SHOULD understand that the gold or yellow fringed flag signifies the same thing. It is a notice to you that you are under the rules and regulations of the military force that is flying that flag.

Are you familiar with martial law?

Does your attorney understand what this flag means?

"It is an elementary rule of pleading, that a plea to the jurisdiction is a tacit (silent) admission that the court has a right to judge the case and is a waiver to all exception to the jurisdiction."(Girty v. Logan, 6 Bush KY, 8)"
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um you should be treated like a humyn being like..u know...everywhere?

thats why there are things like the ICC, geneva convention, and basically all humyn rights advocate institutions to ensure that humyn beings be treated as individuals with rights and to ensure justice to those who violate these rights.

remember this:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men* are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.


thats all men*...not just united states citizens.
Tell that to the marines in camp Pendleton.
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by your logic we should have never invaded Japan or Afganistan.

after all it doesn't matter if your pissed off about something its no excuse to kill a few thousand good ole boys.
Getting pissed off and getting blown up are two seperate things there sport. Pissed off is not a good excuse for a war. Iminent danger, getting blown up, freedoms trampled, genocide, alien invasion, and The Drew Carey show going back on the air would be.
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Old 10-06-2006, 11:03 AM #70
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Once you step into a court room you have no rights anyways. Next time you walk into a court house or any Government building, check if there is a gold fringe around the flag. If so then you are under Martial Law and the Consitution is void upon entering. ... blah blah blah"
That site looks a little sketchy. And I couldn't find this info anywhere else except that Washington's flag actually has an optional gold fringe. Can you give any other source for this? Voiding the constitution is a pretty big deal.
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Getting pissed off and getting blown up are two seperate things there sport. Pissed off is not a good excuse for a war. Iminent danger, getting blown up, freedoms trampled, genocide, alien invasion, and The Drew Carey show going back on the air would be.
so us imperializing the middle east ot the point that we are stipping them of whatever resembelance to culture they have left is not legitimate reason to get pissed off?
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so us imperializing the middle east ot the point that we are stipping them of whatever resembelance to culture they have left is not legitimate reason to get pissed off?
It would be if we were actually doing it, too bad we don't even fire on mosques when theirs armed enemies firing from inside them on us.
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Old 10-06-2006, 04:31 PM #73
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That site looks a little sketchy. And I couldn't find this info anywhere else except that Washington's flag actually has an optional gold fringe. Can you give any other source for this? Voiding the constitution is a pretty big deal.
Gladly! You can visit the US Government Office of the Law Revision Counsel which publishes the United States Code http://uscode.house.gov/lawrevisioncounsel.shtml
then Click the Search Link. Type 4 in title and 1 in chapter and search. Will pull up all the Flag sections. Sec 1 declares the flag can only have 3 colors, red-white-blue. Gold is not authorized. Section 7 defines placement and when placed on a wall/person horizontally the union should be to the left. Yet our Military and Police, and even AIR FORCE ONE has it in the opposite direction on one side with a gold fringe. Section 3 delcares any additional colors is a mutilation of the flag and subject to a 1 year jail term. Aug. 21, 1959, Exec. Ord. No. 10834, title 4 Chap 1 United States Code President Eisenhower declares "a military flag is a flag that resembles the regular flag of the United States, except that it has a YELLOW FRINGE border on three sides." In direct response to your question there is one problem I admit to. The United States Code office does not display executive order 10834 in its entirety. And it was updated 1-19-04 so who knows why a 1959 executive order needed to be updated. Executive order 10834 is an Amendment to Federal Registry F.R. 6865 Aug 21, 1959. The Online federal Registry http://www.gpoaccess.gov/fr/index.html only goes back to 1994. Everything before is placed in Federal Depository Libraries. There is one across from my work so I will go there Monday and Read the Law.

BUT WHAT I DID FIND WHICH ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION!!! If you go to http://www.army.mil/usapa/epubs/840_...lection_1.html the US ARMY's regulations website under section 840-10 is FLAGS, GUIDONS, STREAMERS, TABARDS, AND AUTOMOBILE AND AIRCRAFT PLATES regulations. In Chapter 2 section 2-3 or page 12,13 of the PDF clearly states the military flag should have a GOLD FRINGE on its outter border of 3 sides. In one section it states it should be displayed along side the regular flag of any vehicle that holds the President or Vice President. SO any US Flag that has a gold fringe identifies MARTIAL LAW not Common Law which our Constitution is Written on. So any court house or government official wearing a gold fringed American Flag is indeed working outside our Constitution.

Later I would also like to get into Common Law Versus Commercial/Admiralty Law. Most of the laws today fall under admiralty/commercial law. One example is why Presidents are allowed to appoint judges and they're not voted on by us. COMMON LAW would not allow this. When you are born our Federal Coporation Government sets up a trust in your name. This is in Commercial Law. You are identified under commercial law when your name is in capital letters. Thats why if you receive something from the IRS or a summons from the Police your name is in CAPITAL. This is not you in sovereign person, it is your corporate identity. These are seperate.
here is a good site that covers all of this http://www.barefootsworld.net/admiralty.html
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