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Old 09-15-2006, 04:49 PM #64
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The gun was in development before NPS and Bob split. I work for NPS and helped Bob put together the first gun when he came here to do a tech conference...


I think you listen to too many gossip mongers who don't know the real truth.

Ya, weve know about this new marker since when? May?

And the split was like what? A Month ago?

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EGOS do not need guages, the LPR does not need fine tuning and its almost impossible to blow the noid on an Ego, maybe planet decided not to put one, so holding the gun would be more comfortable The hpr is the only thing needing an adjustment out of box and ever. Theres no reason to take an LPR tool to the chrono with an Ego.
Timmys dont need gauges either, if you know how many turns the regs need. And if a gauge smaller than a grape gets in your way than you really care to much.

And ya our timmys require fine tuning of the LPR to get our velocity right And its so hard to adjust it anyway considering both regs use the same tool.
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It almost seems that you believe you shot the Intimidator out of the water when you designed the EGO, and that IS NOT the case

In My Honest Opinion when I look at an EGO I see a Product that was born from the standpoint of "We need to ditch the Cocker, but since R&D is so very costly, we need to base our design off of something else that is of substantial quality & is extremely reliable". "Then we need to somehow reconfigure certain aspects of it's internal workings so it gives the impression of it being it's own design". "Throw in a couple of our PE products in there, and run with it".

Sorry but that's how Thousands of us see it.
It's been brought up before but, you could say the same thing about the Intimidator copying the Angel:

In My Honest Opinion when I look at an Intimidator I see a Product that was born from the standpoint of "We need to ditch the Spyder, but since R&D is so very costly, we need to base our design off of something else that is of substantial quality & is extremely reliable". "Then we need to somehow reconfigure certain aspects of it's internal workings so it gives the impression of it being it's own design". "Throw in a couple of our Bob Long products in there, and run with it".

Sorry but that's how Thousands of us see it

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As to WGP & PE's Bodies being authentic WGP Bodies... Who cares?
Since WGP clearly didn't CREATE/INVENT the Cocker I feel it was unethical for them to force companies to buy their Body Blanks.

There were a few other Bodies out there that were superior to those of WGP, and Chip's Cockers were a prime example of that.
He was not trying to say the WGP body was superior. He was correcting Terry's statement below stating Eclipse cloned the cocker.


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Oh! Just one more thought.
If there never was a Spyder, would there be an Initimidator? Probably so, maybe would look more like a cocker though.
But if there was never either one, then Eclipse would still be cloning the Cocker.

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remember, the spyder copied the VM-68



No one disagrees that the ego is a timmy with an eblade on it. I owned a Karnivor a long time ago, trust me when I say this, the ego frame is an eblade, always has been

I think the statement made by Jack Wood that states "do you think there would ever have been an Onyx if there had never been an Ego?" shows an incredibly pompus attitude. Jack Wood and Planet Eclipse have always been an "icing on the cake" kind of company. Take a proven design, and make it better, sell it

Something that has always made me wonder with Planet Eclipses design. Why do they need two orings on the rammer? I bet he only needs to use one, and he can cut the back off that Ego
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Old 09-15-2006, 05:24 PM #67
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It's been brought up before but, you could say the same thing about the Intimidator copying the Angel:
As stated before: if anything, the Intimidator was bred more from the Cocker Concept than the Angel, but it had to be open bolt.



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In My Honest Opinion when I look at an Intimidator I see a Product that was born from the standpoint of "We need to ditch the Spyder, but since R&D is so very costly, we need to base our design off of something else that is of substantial quality & is extremely reliable". "Then we need to somehow reconfigure certain aspects of it's internal workings so it gives the impression of it being it's own design". "Throw in a couple of our Bob Long products in there, and run with it".

Sorry but that's how Thousands of us see it
But you'd be wrong in assuming so, especially since that's not even close to how the Intimidator came to be.



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He was not trying to say the WGP body was superior. He was correcting Terry's statement below stating Eclipse cloned the cocker.

And my comment was not directed towards what Terry posted. It was in reference to Jack's own comment about how their Cockers dawned Genuine WGP Bodies.
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Very interesting thread.

Some people have NO concept of how many many paintball guns work.

The electropneumatic platform that the Timmy, Ego, Impulse, 'Borg, Bushmaster etc etc etc ALL work off is a derivation of the Angel.

Yes, I said Angel.

WDP were the first company to drive a weight connected to a bolt, into a poppet valve, by means of a ram and solenoid valve.

From there we have had all the above mentioned guns, plus hundreds of others.

Terry has been a true gentleman in conveying his thoughts on the matter, and the only thing I would disagree with would be his last statement regarding what Eclipse would be doing if it wasn't for the Spyder and Timmy. Well he can rest assured that we wouldn't still be making Cockers (BTW we always used genuine WGP bodies in our cockers, unlike some, so is that still cloning?).

Planet was actually heavily involved in the design and development of the original Angel. A lot of mine, and others within Planet, time and thought went into that first gun, and that continued with the Eclipse Angels for those first few years.

It is with great sadness that I realize that it is probably some dirty scum-bag chav in this forum who thought it would find it funny to rip down our tech banners, hang them up in the firing range, and shoot them, in San Diego. Very classy.

As a passing thought, to you guys celebrating your new Onyx (and a friendly little rebuttal to Terry ) : do you think there would ever have been an Onyx if there had never been an Ego?

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Hey Jack, a genuine thank you for the "gentlemen" comment, always means alot coming from a person that has my respect.
Comical that it takes a thread like this to get the likes of us, company reps that is, to take the time and put a little clarity, perspective and truth to a subject/thread.
On the earlier subject, if the Spyder and Intimidator never existed, would the Ego look and operate like it did at it's inception? While I'm certain that what ever it would have been, it would have been well designed and built. I just believe that the Intimidator, with it's design, popularity, attributes and even some of it's short comings influenced the original Ego design more than any other platforms at the time.
I don't expect any comments of what was going on at Eclipse when the Ego was being developed. You guys make a fine products and I wish you guys well.
To any of the scumbags who perpetrated the crime in SD on Eclipse, if any of the BLAST Techs find out who you are, we will deal with you as if you commited the offense on us.

Would have there been an Onyx, if there wasn't an Ego?
Sure there would have, btw Bob spends all his spare time doodling ideas, there was no doubt.

Oh, clone was a poor choice of words, and wasn't meant to define what was used as the basis of it's cocker bodies. I've always been a fan of Eclipse products and applaud their efforts to provide quality markers.
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Old 09-15-2006, 05:35 PM #69
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remember, the spyder copied the VM-68
Actually it copied the original Promaster... looked pretty damn identical too...



Which is a similar concept to the VM68. Similar time too, although I believe the Promaster was just slightly earlier...

I don't think you are giving Jack and Planet enough credit. Yes Planet has spent years putting the "icing on other people's cakes", but they also helped bake those cakes even though you never got to see it.

I remember when I was a wee lad going to see John Rice as he prototyped the Angel. The guy shooting the angel and getting it working was Jack... Ledz from PE was also the first person to play with it in a real game... I actually sat next to JR as Ledz played the first ever game with it, with the Banzai's at the first ever Hyperball event! Those guys were instrumental in much of the early cool stuff in tournament paintball as it came out of the woods. Including the refining of functional parts for the autococker and original cosmetics stuff. I still remember how much I wanted an Eclipse Cocker but couldn't afford one.

The guys at PE have been involved with a lot of stuff many people don't know about.
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the "icing on the cake" comment was meant to be a compliment, a very sincere compliment. Until the Ego, I've always looked at Eclipse as a "custom house", a place that tricks out, or give the "ultimate upgrade" to your gun, like the Eblade for the cocker.

I do want to give credit where credit is due. Jack you're ego is an incredible marker. Out of ALL the gun manufacturers, you are one of the few builders who understand that a .693 barrel leads to less breaks in the barrel. If there is one thing the ego has, is a tournament ready, overbore barrel and shoots darts. Thank you for not sticking us with a standard junk stock barrel like 90% of the other guns companies do.

Also, thank you for making an LPR that is foolproof. I have been preaching running the timmy LPR @ 80psi for years. The ego LPR is pretty much the easiest LPR to set. Flush + in 1 turn = 300fps

And to Bob Long and his staff, for taking the time, money and risk of developing new products and coming up with new ideas.

I'm really happy this thread has stayed on the positive, although fragile side. To get Jack Wood, Terry, Manike, Inc, Bjorn, into the same place at the same time is just awesome

You're talking about some of the most intelligent and hardest working people in paintball. You guys are what keep this sport alive. Paintball is too expensive to have stuff break on you, and everyone who has contributed to this thread has the consumer's heart in mind.

to everyone here for keeping it positive

I just want to give you all a big man hug
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This thread is a joke, and the asshats who make it a joke are a disgrace.
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will that be the new 2007 Ego?

Or do they still have to figure out how to copy the 4 eye system first?

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^^^ thats right and you're doing nothing for me so go away (poof)

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u sir are a *** and the ego out preforms the timmy in many ways.
so why are u in a timmy subform???? iv never had a problem with either gun, prob is u see alot of people talk trash about another gun prob cause they never kept it up and running right, so it didnt work well for them and they then hated it....
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Why all the hate folks? Geez, if anything there's a few lighthearted jokes at PE's expense but the bottom line is that they make nice markers. One of the first markers I usually recommend to people after Timmy's and Vikings are Egos. Other than a few small issues that I have with them (oh...like noids under the grip screws), they're pretty darn good markers and well engineered. Some of the other issues they have are no more their fault than a bad batch of springs a few years ago was Bob's fault. They also have excellent customer service, much like BLAST.

Now...let's save our barbs and hate for something more productive. Like Smart Parts...
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its like clash of the titans in here
maybe we can get the boys over in the SP forum to do some mud slinging in here too over the electro-pneumatic patent, or the in-efficiency mod... hehe
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u sir are a *** and the ego out preforms the timmy in many ways.
MOST of us in here have Intimidators that'll bust down the rank of that comment from Master Gunnery Sargent (My rank in the Harlem Berets Marine Cadet Corp as teen) all the way down to a PFC.

If you read ALL the posts you'd have seen that those who's opinions REALLY count in here in no way hesitated to speak highly of PE's Products and/or Markers OR Jack Wood. Everyone who is anyone that has posted in here has done so in a respectful manor.


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Plus, isn't it kinda stupid to be arguing Ego vs. Intimidator when this is the Onyx subforum? Wouldn't Ego vs. Onyx be a more legit question?
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Plus, isn't it kinda stupid to be arguing Ego vs. Intimidator when this is the Onyx subforum? Wouldn't Ego vs. Onyx be a more legit question?
In a sense the whole Timster EGO comparison is what sparked the title & subject of this thread, so the whole comparison is relevant.

Comparing the EGO to the ONYX is impossible since the ONYX is it's own unique design.
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Very interesting thread.

Some people have NO concept of how many many paintball guns work.

The electropneumatic platform that the Timmy, Ego, Impulse, 'Borg, Bushmaster etc etc etc ALL work off is a derivation of the Angel.

Yes, I said Angel.

WDP were the first company to drive a weight connected to a bolt, into a poppet valve, by means of a ram and solenoid valve.

From there we have had all the above mentioned guns, plus hundreds of others.

Terry has been a true gentleman in conveying his thoughts on the matter, and the only thing I would disagree with would be his last statement regarding what Eclipse would be doing if it wasn't for the Spyder and Timmy. Well he can rest assured that we wouldn't still be making Cockers (BTW we always used genuine WGP bodies in our cockers, unlike some, so is that still cloning?).

Planet was actually heavily involved in the design and development of the original Angel. A lot of mine, and others within Planet, time and thought went into that first gun, and that continued with the Eclipse Angels for those first few years.

It is with great sadness that I realize that it is probably some dirty scum-bag chav in this forum who thought it would find it funny to rip down our tech banners, hang them up in the firing range, and shoot them, in San Diego. Very classy.

As a passing thought, to you guys celebrating your new Onyx (and a friendly little rebuttal to Terry ) : do you think there would ever have been an Onyx if there had never been an Ego?

Peace

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Actually kidd...ego got their ideas from intimidators....bob long even said it in the september Facefull issue....
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C-lo, you obviously dont know who youre trying to argue with. And I dont think Jack Wood would appreciate being called a "Kid".

Nice attempt at trying to sound intelligent though.
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