Onyx upgrades.. - PbNation
Find fields & stores near you!
Find fields and stores
Zipcode
PbNation News
PbNation News
Community Focus
Community Focus

 
Archived Thread - Cannot Edit  
Old 09-11-2006, 11:28 PM #1
ADOLF
SDVandals.. hit it up
 
ADOLF's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: 619
ADOLF plays in the USPL
ADOLF owns a Planet Eclipse Geo
ADOLF plays in the APPA D4 division
ADOLF has perfected Level 1 in PbNation Pursuit
Onyx upgrades..

Ok, I know our gun is perfection, but what else would you like seen done to make it more your profile?.. Colors, triggers, um.. holla!
__________________
The ORIGINAL VANDALS. TM. 2010-
R.i.p. bushwackers/evil empire/kolohe/red devils/kook army..
Bcuz yur so pro right?
VANDALS paintball brought to u by
HK GIANT FURIOUS BODY ARMOR PAINTBALLGATEWAY
SCAN MY AVATAR FOR MORE INFO
VAPORVENDETTA
ADOLF is offline  
Old Sponsored Links Remove Advertisement
Advertisement
Old 09-12-2006, 12:12 AM #2
dnick453
Robotic KHAT
 
dnick453's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Valparaiso, IN
Polish ram and poppet?
__________________
I tech and fix your Defiants
Official "Loc-tite Tastes Good Club" Member #1 and founder
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l8...k454/dodgy.gif
dnick453 is offline  
Old 09-12-2006, 12:19 AM #3
spyder_dude
shred
 
spyder_dude's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Carlsbad, California
 has been a member for 10 years
anno? The only upgrade I know for it so far are kila detents. Barrel? ASA?
__________________
Can't trust this
spyder_dude is offline  
Old 09-12-2006, 12:24 AM #4
ADOLF
SDVandals.. hit it up
 
ADOLF's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: 619
ADOLF plays in the USPL
ADOLF owns a Planet Eclipse Geo
ADOLF plays in the APPA D4 division
ADOLF has perfected Level 1 in PbNation Pursuit
maybe Critical can hook us up with triggers and Tadao with boards?
__________________
The ORIGINAL VANDALS. TM. 2010-
R.i.p. bushwackers/evil empire/kolohe/red devils/kook army..
Bcuz yur so pro right?
VANDALS paintball brought to u by
HK GIANT FURIOUS BODY ARMOR PAINTBALLGATEWAY
SCAN MY AVATAR FOR MORE INFO
VAPORVENDETTA
ADOLF is offline  
Old 09-12-2006, 01:01 AM #5
DUCKY21
SiNo TaTaY Mo?
 
DUCKY21's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: stevenson ranch,CA
 has been a member for 10 years
triggers would be cool...board i would leave alone..my onyx is a monster
__________________
Team Vanquish Ruckus
PsYcHo CloWn PoSsE
PINOYBALLASOCIETY#53
DuCkY's Feedback
DUCKY21 is offline  
Old 09-12-2006, 01:11 AM #6
alphanu22
(◣_◢)
 
alphanu22's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: (-( SEATTLE )-)
Annual Supporting Member
alphanu22 is a Supporting Member
 has been a member for 10 years
alphanu22 is a Paintball photographer
alphanu22 works for a Paintball manufacturer
kila detents were avalible at SD from what i was told...
__________________
BLASTech
|-[Instagram]-|-[Facebook]-|-[Twitter]-|
|-[BLAST Info]-|-[BLAST@FB]-|-[BL Direct]-|
alphanu22 is offline  
Old 09-12-2006, 01:38 AM #7
ADOLF
SDVandals.. hit it up
 
ADOLF's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: 619
ADOLF plays in the USPL
ADOLF owns a Planet Eclipse Geo
ADOLF plays in the APPA D4 division
ADOLF has perfected Level 1 in PbNation Pursuit
yup! I got some, they work!
__________________
The ORIGINAL VANDALS. TM. 2010-
R.i.p. bushwackers/evil empire/kolohe/red devils/kook army..
Bcuz yur so pro right?
VANDALS paintball brought to u by
HK GIANT FURIOUS BODY ARMOR PAINTBALLGATEWAY
SCAN MY AVATAR FOR MORE INFO
VAPORVENDETTA
ADOLF is offline  
Old 09-12-2006, 04:08 AM #8
Lurker27
Engineering the Future
 
Lurker27's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Annual Supporting Member
Lurker27 is a Supporting Member
 has been a member for 10 years
Lurker27 posts videos on PbNation
Lurker27 has been published on the PbNation Youtube Channel
What is the maximum velocity you guys can achieve currently? We may be interested in producing a high performance bolt.
__________________
World's Best Hard-Parts Upgrades!
EigenBarrels, Mini, AXE, Intimidators, DM, Shocker
Lurker27 is online now  
Old 09-12-2006, 09:18 AM #9
daveczrn
Dr. Evil
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: philadelphia
 has been a member for 10 years
Aftermarket board is going to be a while. Bob is not going to give out his eye logic to an aftermarket company. That's what makes the onyx so fast is his eye logic. and the lighterweight parts.

stock bolt kinda worries me. It looks like it will not be gental on brittle paint.
__________________


100% reason to remember the name
daveczrn is offline  
Old 09-12-2006, 10:54 AM #10
alphanu22
(◣_◢)
 
alphanu22's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: (-( SEATTLE )-)
Annual Supporting Member
alphanu22 is a Supporting Member
 has been a member for 10 years
alphanu22 is a Paintball photographer
alphanu22 works for a Paintball manufacturer
i have a mod for the bolt in the works...
__________________
BLASTech
|-[Instagram]-|-[Facebook]-|-[Twitter]-|
|-[BLAST Info]-|-[BLAST@FB]-|-[BL Direct]-|
alphanu22 is offline  
Old 09-12-2006, 11:37 AM #11
Terry59
Hustler, Hitter, Assassin
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Elk Grove, CA
Annual Supporting Member
Terry59 is a Supporting Member
Terry59 is a founding member
 has been a member for 10 years
Terry59 works for a Paintball manufacturer
Terry59 plays in the USPL
Terry59 plays in the PSP
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lurker27
What is the maximum velocity you guys can achieve currently? We may be interested in producing a high performance bolt.
Buy the marker to find out, then you can access the durability of the marker that you seem so skeptical about.

In an earlier poll, you voted that you would never buy this marker, for that reason I'm feeling no motivation to answer an inquiry. You can capitalize off our product all you want, but if you don't support our sales, then you can kick rocks!
__________________
Bob Long Factory Touring Tech
2010 PSP WORLD CUP Masters Champion Capital Edge Hitters
2010, 2009 UWL Open Class National Champion
2009 Vegas NPPL 1st Place D2 7-man Winner
http://www.boblongdirect.com/http://www.capitaledgepaintball.com/
http://www.tadaotechnologies.com/
http://www.ninjapaintball.com/index.asp
http://www.hkarmy.com/LIVE FREE! DIE FREE! RIP TYSON ALLEN EVENSON

Last edited by Terry59 : 09-12-2006 at 11:44 AM.
Terry59 is offline  
Old 09-12-2006, 12:18 PM #12
96 Ls lnteg
Hola
 
96 Ls lnteg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: San Diego
Annual Supporting Member
96 Ls lnteg is a Supporting Member
 has been a member for 10 years
96 Ls lnteg is a Paintball photographer
96 Ls lnteg owns a Planet Eclipse Geo
I only thing I look forward 2 is a TECHNA or a Board
__________________
ProPaintball
Planet Eclipse
96 Ls lnteg is online now  
Old 09-12-2006, 01:17 PM #13
arc1880
RIP So☆Cal Carnage
 
arc1880's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: San Diego
arc1880 owns a Planet Eclipse Geo
arc1880 owns a Planet Eclipse Geo
arc1880 plays in the APPA D5 division
arc1880 supports DLX Technology
In that pbstar interview with Zach Long, he mentioned a magnetic trigger. Is that already in the works?
arc1880 is offline  
Old 09-12-2006, 01:25 PM #14
alastor
Too poor to play Semi
 
alastor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: CSUDH (socal)
 has been a member for 10 years
I'd love to see a Techna version of the stock trigger. The stock doesn't span out as much which gives people more finger room to walk the trigger. But that's just my personal preference..
__________________
Old PBNation feedback
New PBNation feedback
I still flash WAS boards for free, PM me.
alastor is offline  
Old 09-12-2006, 01:38 PM #15
Lurker27
Engineering the Future
 
Lurker27's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Annual Supporting Member
Lurker27 is a Supporting Member
 has been a member for 10 years
Lurker27 posts videos on PbNation
Lurker27 has been published on the PbNation Youtube Channel
Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry59
Buy the marker to find out, then you can access the durability of the marker that you seem so skeptical about.

In an earlier poll, you voted that you would never buy this marker, for that reason I'm feeling no motivation to answer an inquiry. You can capitalize off our product all you want, but if you don't support our sales, then you can kick rocks!
Terry: I have never bought a new marker and likely never will. If I ever were to drop $1000 on a gun, My choice at the moment would certainly be the Onyx. I accurately answered the poll, which I assumed was the aim.

And I am skeptical, as I am of all balanced valve systems. You guys have a great design, VERY radical, and I think the experience you have with the gen4 valving system was surely invaluable, but I've seen SO many problems with shielded/balanced valve systems, it raises a red flag, because its IS another dynamic oring, another layer of complexity. Can the Onyx valve be "purged", as the gen4 valve was recommended?

Perhaps the Onyx successfully addresses the durability issues faced by just about every other balanced valve design out there, I don't know but I can surely be described as skeptical. I am not trying to bust anyone, I frankly think the Onyx is the most creative marker to come out probably since the 03 shocker. I also am encouraged by the seemingly VERY extensive testing the prototype underwent. Also, it seems that we're moving away from user adjustability and more towards a preset mowing machine with this gun, which I also like.

So, hopefully that elucidates how I feel a little better. After all, if I were a big "hater" I wouldn't be here.
__________________
World's Best Hard-Parts Upgrades!
EigenBarrels, Mini, AXE, Intimidators, DM, Shocker
Lurker27 is online now  
Old 09-12-2006, 02:37 PM #16
Ripper Machinist
 
 
Ripper Machinist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Sacramento
Ripper Machinist is a Supporting Member
Ripper Machinist is a founding member
 has been a member for 10 years
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lurker27
but I've seen SO many problems with shielded/balanced valve systems, it raises a red flag, because its IS another dynamic oring, another layer of complexity.
It is not necesarily shielded. It has atmosphere from the bolt side. So any leak there will not build up gas, but vent it out the bolt..

Jim
Ripper Machinist is offline  
Old 09-12-2006, 03:01 PM #17
manike
WWW.SIMONIZED.COM
 
manike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: On top of the World...
manike is a Mega Moderator
manike is a Supporting Member
 has been a member for 10 years
manike works for a Paintball manufacturer
manike supports Bob Gurnsey
manike supports our troops
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ripper Machinist
It is not necesarily shielded. It has atmosphere from the bolt side. So any leak there will not build up gas, but vent it out the bolt..

Jim
This should, in theory, be much better than the old design.
manike is offline  
Old 09-12-2006, 04:05 PM #18
Lurker27
Engineering the Future
 
Lurker27's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Annual Supporting Member
Lurker27 is a Supporting Member
 has been a member for 10 years
Lurker27 posts videos on PbNation
Lurker27 has been published on the PbNation Youtube Channel
Ah, because the bolt shaft isn't making a positive seal. Muuuuch better
__________________
World's Best Hard-Parts Upgrades!
EigenBarrels, Mini, AXE, Intimidators, DM, Shocker
Lurker27 is online now  
Old 09-12-2006, 04:46 PM #19
Not a former member
Needs a team
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: (Nor*859*Ken)
 has been a member for 10 years
Quote:
Originally Posted by 96 Ls lnteg
I only thing I look forward 2 is a TECHNA or a Board

From what I see that would be the only thing anyone would want on one.


the gun seems really thought out, I give mass props to bob and the guys.
__________________
Get with the program strip to the slow jam slip on a Trojan kissin' the toes and move to the knees go back, repeat the job ain't done 'til you ruin the sheets
Not a former member is offline  
Old 09-12-2006, 05:08 PM #20
Terry59
Hustler, Hitter, Assassin
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Elk Grove, CA
Annual Supporting Member
Terry59 is a Supporting Member
Terry59 is a founding member
 has been a member for 10 years
Terry59 works for a Paintball manufacturer
Terry59 plays in the USPL
Terry59 plays in the PSP
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lurker27
Terry: I have never bought a new marker and likely never will. If I ever were to drop $1000 on a gun, My choice at the moment would certainly be the Onyx. I accurately answered the poll, which I assumed was the aim.

And I am skeptical, as I am of all balanced valve systems. You guys have a great design, VERY radical, and I think the experience you have with the gen4 valving system was surely invaluable, but I've seen SO many problems with shielded/balanced valve systems, it raises a red flag, because its IS another dynamic oring, another layer of complexity. Can the Onyx valve be "purged", as the gen4 valve was recommended?

Perhaps the Onyx successfully addresses the durability issues faced by just about every other balanced valve design out there, I don't know but I can surely be described as skeptical. I am not trying to bust anyone, I frankly think the Onyx is the most creative marker to come out probably since the 03 shocker. I also am encouraged by the seemingly VERY extensive testing the prototype underwent. Also, it seems that we're moving away from user adjustability and more towards a preset mowing machine with this gun, which I also like.

So, hopefully that elucidates how I feel a little better. After all, if I were a big "hater" I wouldn't be here.
It was plain that the poll was flawed from the start and if people as such as yourself would have clarified your postion as to why you voted a certain way, then I would have offered a different attitude.
I know that I am not alone in feeling the votes posted in that poll gave a perception and negativity in regarding the Onyx. Clearly a vote in the " I'd never buy it column", does not help in forming a positive opinion of the Onyx.

Look at it this way, if there was a similar poll in regards to one of your products and I or some other industry person voted the same way without an explanation, then it doesn't help your product, it may even hurt it.

You may not intend to buy our product and a non-hater, it would be welcomed to see some more support for Bob's/our efforts, instead of just looking to make money off it.
__________________
Bob Long Factory Touring Tech
2010 PSP WORLD CUP Masters Champion Capital Edge Hitters
2010, 2009 UWL Open Class National Champion
2009 Vegas NPPL 1st Place D2 7-man Winner
http://www.boblongdirect.com/http://www.capitaledgepaintball.com/
http://www.tadaotechnologies.com/
http://www.ninjapaintball.com/index.asp
http://www.hkarmy.com/LIVE FREE! DIE FREE! RIP TYSON ALLEN EVENSON
Terry59 is offline  
Old 09-12-2006, 06:04 PM #21
Lurker27
Engineering the Future
 
Lurker27's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Annual Supporting Member
Lurker27 is a Supporting Member
 has been a member for 10 years
Lurker27 posts videos on PbNation
Lurker27 has been published on the PbNation Youtube Channel
Nothing to do but apologize, then.
__________________
World's Best Hard-Parts Upgrades!
EigenBarrels, Mini, AXE, Intimidators, DM, Shocker
Lurker27 is online now  
 




Posting Rules
Forum Jump