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Old 07-05-2006, 01:45 AM #1
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Guide Section 2: Pneumags

Section 2: Pneumags

Basically , it's just a Mag the is fired by using pneumatic switch (like a cocker style 3 way or 2 way) to trigger a pneumatic ram which pulls/pushes the sear to fire the marker. Doing this mod lessens the trigger pull to less than 1mm, and 1oz. In short it's a walkable mech. And it can all be done with under $100. Odds are production models will be available from $300.

Deadly Wind (Ncad on AO) developed the "Hair Trigger" now has the patents for his design. The first patent is owned by PTP. PTP was working on the project, but halted for a while. Officials in the company say they are still going to do it, so we just have to wait. In the newly released Worr Machine line of markers from WGP there is a pneumatic trigger blowback, designed by RRFireblade (Designer of PTP pneuframe) and the patent was licensed to WGP. The 68 Super is also a pneumatically triggered marker, but i does not infringe the patent.

Video of hAir trigger:
http://www.arowmic.com/portals/1/dw...igger.video.mpg


There is a thread on it here on PBN:
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=996180

An interesting conversation of the legality of the patents and such took place on PBF
http://www.paintballforum.com/forum/...5&page=1&pp=20


The first person to put up a how to on AO was "Phishpen"
http://www.automags.org/forums/showt...hlight=pneumag



How to:
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...5#post41235755

Video:
http://media.putfile.com/Pnuemag



AlphaMag (Here on PBN) has a list of the parts you will need, and links to the places where you can buy them.

http://home.comcast.net/~jaketakeoko...Pages/main.htm (Go to Mag Tech, then Pneumatic Mod)




(picture of "Phishpen's" "Phishmag")

This isn't a very hard thing to do, and doesn't cost very much, and it is by far the fastest a mech Mag will ever be. The fasted bps achieved on one of these is 20bps. Many people have been doing this mod themselves, so there is a fairly large group to ask advice from.




(Pnaumag built by shorty24 andPneumagger of AO)


(Pneumag made by Rainman229 (www.rainman229.com) as part of "Project Redeye")


(Frame Modified by Rainman229)




(One of the first Pneu-mags made by RRFireblade)
(Text in Pic Reads:
This is one of the very first penu-mags. It was built on an existing Medusa grip frame and has four different trigger positions for testing purposes. That's why the trigger is a little funky looking. There were actually a number of triggers designed to fit this frame. The LPR is located inside the gripframe and is fed without any external plumbing. Its air feed has noghint to do with the gas through foregrip which is only a stock gas through. The marker does fire and function very nicely and has cycled many thousands of times as a testament to the durability of the system. This will likely be the marker I use for any video I get up in the future as it is the only complete version I have assembled at this time. I'm putting this right next to the pic only because I"m sure it will end up in hundreds of places and I don't want to explain it every time.

Trigger pull= 1.5mm
Trigger pull weight = Under 1 oz.
LPR Pressure = ~80psi
ROF Limited only by valve system at ~34BPS)


Alpha's Alpha Mag






There is a new bolt-on frame coming from GForce Paintball:

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=219595


Vids:

http://premium1.uploadit.org/rrfire...ll/PnueMag1.WMV

http://www.logicpaintball.com/PneuMag1.wmv

http://premium1.uploadit.org/rrfireb...nueMag-003.jpg

http://www.beog.org/redeye/pnuemag2.wmv

http://www.jayloo.com/videos/uservids.html?pUID=3517

http://media.putfile.com/Mag2

http://media.putfile.com/PneuMag-X-valve-ULT

http://media.putfile.com/Mag3

(Last three Videos are of Wassupstranger67's (AO) Pneumag http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=196059)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pK1YcFvJrWI
(Video of Pneumagger's (AO) Pneumag)


And now just for fun: "The Fastest Mag Ever"



http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.p...ht=Plunger+mag

Fastest CPS in the world

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hey could i do this mod on a 45 degree frame or would it not have enough room in it
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Probably, you may not have enough room to hold the LPr in there, so you'll just have to mount it externally.
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Old 07-05-2006, 12:35 PM #7
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which lpr is smaller the micro rock or the wgp tickler?
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Tickler is smaller, but I find the Micro Rock to be the smallest you can get without giving up consistancy.
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does consistancy matter for this project??
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Old 07-05-2006, 06:25 PM #10
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Well if you set it at a certain pressure and the pressure drops, I would think you could short stroke it. Also, high pressure bursts might cause unnecessary wear to the sear and on/off valve and pin.
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Old 07-06-2006, 12:27 PM #11
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alright i think ill go with the micro rock then, ill keep yall updated right now im in the fund raising part of the project, maybe ill be the first pneumag on a 45 degree frame
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Old 07-06-2006, 02:55 PM #12
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theere have been a few, fdjsm made one, and a few others I don't know by name
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Mine is a 45 in progress. I'm somewhat annoyed that I can't fit a Micro Rock in there. Dear God how I tried.
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did you have any trouble mounting it externally?
how did you do it?
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Where can I find this 68 super or one of the WGP markers that have the trigger?
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http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/...cAAAEMC7Y0DBH1

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I mite have to get myself one of those WGP EG's. Any idea when they come out? That 68super is for a lack of better words rather ugly. Thanks for the info.
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go to the news section and check out the thread on the S1
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Yeah, I'm looking at it rite now ^_^.
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http://www.maxs-sport.com/paintball-...ikelnr=249-072 I don't think that those WGP EG Markers have the trigger.
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it looks like its the AG, my mistake
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