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Old 05-26-2006, 05:51 PM #1
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Food for thought.

I don't know how suprising this is but American Idol's season finale winner recieved more votes then any of our President's ever.

Secondly what's your guy's take on E85? I think it could gain us some valuable time and if we mass produced it, it would be cheaper.
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Old 05-26-2006, 06:40 PM #2
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Corn made E85 is worthless, while sugar is actually somewhat valuable. But there are more corn lobbyist than sugar, so obviously the Legislature well go for corn cause we are wasteful and stupid.
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Old 05-26-2006, 08:43 PM #3
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You can cast unlimited amounts of votes for American Idol. 65 million people did not vote for American Idol. The number is actually closer to 10 or 12 million.
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Old 05-27-2006, 10:17 AM #4
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Plus, thats 65 million for BOTH.
The number of people that voted for either president was around 100 million.

Basically, it was false little tidbit AKA factoid.

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Old 05-27-2006, 11:37 AM #5
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and people under the age of 18 can vote for American Idol. not so with the Presidiential elections.
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Old 05-27-2006, 12:00 PM #6
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You can cast unlimited amounts of votes for American Idol. 65 million people did not vote for American Idol. The number is actually closer to 10 or 12 million.
Yah, exactly. When people can vote like 500 times, the numbers are gonna be up there.
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Old 05-27-2006, 12:32 PM #7
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and people under 18 care about American Idol. not so with the Presidiential elections.
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Old 05-28-2006, 04:17 PM #8
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e85 is a political joke and costs more per gallon than regular gas. Corn based ethonal makes no sense whatsoever... especially since you can make ethanol from switch grass that grows as a weed. Sugar based ethanol is easier to refine, but harder to produce the necessary sugar cane to meet demands.

Switch grass requires no fertilizer, or seeds for that fact, comes back over and over, and doesn't need to be irrigated like corn does.


Coming from a family in the ranching business, I know that the only reason that corn ethanol exists is to make the middle america farming sector and it's lobyists happy. We are over paying for a crop that farmers have no business producing in most places because the soil is crappy, water is limited, and fertilizer is destroying their soil and the environment.

Further more, E85 cars are more expensive to produce and at the current rate are producing no less emissions
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FlexFuelVehicles, if I'm correct, simply use the same amount of components, but different ones. the injection system has a different curve, and perhaps spark plug timing is altered.
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Corn made E85 is worthless, while sugar is actually somewhat valuable. But there are more corn lobbyist than sugar, so obviously the Legislature well go for corn cause we are wasteful and stupid.
We actually grow more corn now than we eat. we pay farmers not to grow it. Can't say the same for sugar.
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We actually grow more corn now than we eat. we pay farmers not to grow it. Can't say the same for sugar.

Learn a bit more about WHY we grow that corn. Farmers are gauranteed subsidies on corn because of ethanol. Now read my post. WE DO HAVE A SURPLUS of switch grass, beings it's a WEED.

We are paying for ethanol 3 times. 1) at the pump, 2) through subsidies to farmers 3) to ethanol producers. 90% of the ethanol plants in the US are built with over 50% government funding. Tell me how we are benefiting from corn based ethanol.
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90% of the ethanol plants in the US are built with over 50% government funding. Tell me how we are benefiting from corn based ethanol.
:shakes voodoo economics 8 Ball: The revenue from the subsidy-born factories/farms will be governmentally taxed and all will balance out.



we hope.
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FlexFuelVehicles, if I'm correct, simply use the same amount of components, but different ones. the injection system has a different curve, and perhaps spark plug timing is altered.
wtf are you talking about?

anyways, the indy 500 will be run on 100% ethanol next year
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:shakes voodoo economics 8 Ball: The revenue from the subsidy-born factories/farms will be governmentally taxed and all will balance out.
we hope.

Obviously you don't understand how those industries work. They still require tax dollars to fund, and are not paying as much in tax as they are getting. Further more US citizens are paying the taxes on these services, not the companies. There is no such thing as a company that foots the bill for a tax. They always pass the cost on to consumers. So we are taxed at the pump, and through income tax/sales tax/property tax all to help pay for ethanol. We not only get taxed once, like with petroleum, but we have to pay part of our federal income tax to go to that as well.
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Learn a bit more about WHY we grow that corn. Farmers are gauranteed subsidies on corn because of ethanol. Now read my post. WE DO HAVE A SURPLUS of switch grass, beings it's a WEED.

We are paying for ethanol 3 times. 1) at the pump, 2) through subsidies to farmers 3) to ethanol producers. 90% of the ethanol plants in the US are built with over 50% government funding. Tell me how we are benefiting from corn based ethanol.
yes, I know. My Grandmother owns a farm. She has farmed her entire life.

Clearly there are flaws in the system. At least something is being done It'll take a while to iron everything out.
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