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Old 05-20-2006, 04:27 PM #1
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Field Air system

Hello All,

I am searching for a place to purchase a air system for my field. I will be opening my field in the future and I am just trying to figure out what kind of system I will need that would support up to like 50-100 players @ a 4500 fill. and Links to websites or names of manufactures would be greatly apprecitated! thanks for your support....

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Old 05-20-2006, 06:30 PM #2
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Already couple of threads on here about it, but Nuvair or EZ Air.
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Old 05-20-2006, 07:00 PM #3
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If trying to support 100 players at a time... you are going to need some pretty good air flow. Probably 12 cfm or better, and a minimum of 4-6 storage bottles to even out the high times with the low. A 68 4500 bottle is about 12 cubic feet of air... so the compressor will have to run a full minute to fill just one bottle from empty to full. Probably figure they will average half that as they will not shoot down to zero... so a 12 cfm compressor could keep up with about 100 or so fills per hour.

I have 2 Bauers, one 12 cfm, and one 15 cfm. bought them both used... great units. Both of mine had less than 750 hours on them, and I got them for about $6,500 each.

A new equivalent would run about $14,000. Then depending on which bank bottles you get, you'll be from $250 - $450 each... plus a few hundred dollars in some fittings and tubing. Then the self serve fill stations will run you about $300 each. Don't forget to get a regulator if you are going to run one fill station at 4500 psi and another at 3000. The run about $250.

It will save you a lot of money on the bank bottles if you go with 4500 bottles, and set your reg to do your high pressure fills at 4000. And if doing all day air for a set price - no one should care much. To get bottles above that pressure to have some stored will be much more expensive, and harder on the compressor.
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Old 05-20-2006, 08:11 PM #4
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hey umm i dont run a store or any thing, but i was wondering what would a basic 4500 psi run? in all i need it for me and mb to make a little dough off all my friends cause my town blows and we only have C02
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Old 05-20-2006, 10:06 PM #5
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hey umm i dont run a store or any thing, but i was wondering what would a basic 4500 psi run? in all i need it for me and mb to make a little dough off all my friends cause my town blows and we only have C02

You can get into a small 3 cfm for about 3 grand.
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Old 05-20-2006, 11:14 PM #6
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Thank you for the very usefull information! what if i wanted to support 500 players what would i need? and how much would it cost for me to get that air system online?
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Old 05-20-2006, 11:16 PM #7
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that was me i was log in under my brother inlaws name... any information on the reply above is great...
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Old 05-21-2006, 12:03 AM #8
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500 players? Figure a 20 cfm compressor and 15-20 storage bottles. You'll want an 6-8 whip station too.
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Old 05-21-2006, 01:28 AM #9
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any links to a system that would support the 20 cfm?
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Old 05-21-2006, 01:40 AM #10
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some reason i doubt you will need to support 500 players and if u did this would prob be scenario and u would prob use mostly co2 not air
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Thank you for the very usefull information! what if i wanted to support 500 players what would i need? and how much would it cost for me to get that air system online?
Just do the math for how many people will be filling per hour. You should be good if you figure a fill is about 7 cubic feet. So if 500 people are filling once in an hour, you will need 500 * 7 cubic feet per hour which is 3500 cubic feet per hour. Divide by 60 and you are talking about a gas load of 60 cubic feet per minute. That would put you into the type of air supply they use on large national tournaments where they bring in multiple 18 wheelers with huge diesel driven compressors and hundreds of bank bottles. You are also looking at a fill station that will handle 5 - 10 people per minute - so you would need a fair number of fill stations for that kind of load.

Now if you figure you get 500 people on and off throughout the day, and the number of people filling per hour is 1/4 of that... then you're back to a 15 cfm.

As far as getting it on line... I'd say that would not be how I choose to get it. I'd work with a compressor specialist in your area. You are going to need a lot of support getting the system set up and running as well as on going repair and maintenance.

I have a scuba business, and a paintball business.. thus the 2 good size bauer compressors I'm running, and although both are virtually new, I've had to call my compressor guy several times when a valve in a head went out, or a line developed a leak. And both these businesses are heavily dependent on air. If I have no air... I have no business. So I also bought a semi portable 7 cfm that runs on 220 single phase.

It's small enough that 3 guys can toss it in the back of a pickup truck, so if I lose air at either location, I can kick in the smaller backup compressor to limp along until I get one of the large ones working again.

I bought all my compressors used, and step one was drop them off at the compressor shop, and they went through them top to bottom and fixed them up. The small one was wired wrong and kept burning out the shut off switch, the 15 cfm had some blown gauges and just needed a leaky line replaced and basic maintenance - oil change, tighten belts, etc. The 12 cfm was fine... for about a month - less than 100 hours when I bought it, but within a month a valve in a head had a problem and needed replacing.

I know on line gives someone the impression they will save money, and perhaps you will... but keep in mind that shipping a compressor across the country will cost a fair amount of money - and what service will it need now, or in the future. I have an online business for both scuba and paintball, but when I went looking for an investment like a compressor, although I did have 2 of the 3 shipped to me from across the country, I had a local guy check them out... and I've bought several compressors from him in the past. Just kept upgrading my air supply.

So look on line if you want, but I'd tell you to find someone who can come out to the big tourney you're throwing one day, and hang around with a spare compressor and a truck full of spare parts. How successful would your tourney be if your compressor died 2 hours into the 1st day?
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Old 05-21-2006, 04:17 PM #12
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Well gat that info is very usefull and thank you for your mentoring on the compressor. I am orginally from Texas around the Amarillo area in the panhandlel, but currently in the United States Air Force stationed in Maryland at Andrews AFB. I have some land in texas that would be ideal for the scenerio/wood games but I also have enought land to support 4-8 nppl/xball fields. I am hoping I will get back close to home so I can start construction on the fields so I thought I would pose the question now and start preparing and possibly building the compressor.
Are there any kind of Series or circut there in Texas? Like the GPL, NPPL feeder something along those lines?

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