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Old 01-29-2006, 05:23 PM #1
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Updated DM and PM Comparison Chart

Chart last updated by protodude777 on Feb. 17, 2009




Not planning to update specs anymore. Here is a thread on comparing weight:
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=2843646

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OP = Operation Pressure and Shot count estimates is based on a 68/4500
EXAMPLE to convert shot count on 45/4500:

1300 / 68ci = 19.12 shots per ci @ 4500 psi
19.12 x 45ci = 860 shots per 4500 psi

*NOTE*weights are per industry standard... no barrel, battery, asa, reg.
info provided by dueydog

DM7:
  • New Milling - all new 3D body styling
  • 1/8" shorter in height and 3.5 oz. lighter in weight than the DM6.
  • Revamped self cleaning eye system with new eye wires. Cleans after 1 shot compared to 3 shots in the DM6.
  • New Lever Locking Feed Neck

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PMR:
  • Matching single piece Proto barrel
  • Hyper2 in-line air regulator
  • Anti-chop eye system
  • Composite eyeplate
  • 150psi operating pressure with Boost Forward technology
  • Continuous three-dimensional contoured body design
  • Compact and lightweight body styling
  • Proto dual-durometer sticky grips
  • LED program control
  • Dual-durometer composite ergonomic 45 grip frame
  • Re-engineered 1 piece bolt system
  • Adjustable dual-durometer trigger sensitivity and rate of fire
  • Stamped metal insert logo
  • New Proto bottom line
  • Adjustable locking dual-durometer feedneck
  • No UL frame but one will be made specifically for the PMR.
  • No LPR.
  • 3 firing modes + 1 (Semi, PSP, Millennium, and hidden mode NXL thread by NickA5)
  • 1.22 without reg, barrel and battery. 1.94 pounds with everything.
    Efficiency:
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by CrazyLittle View Post
    You should get ~1300-1400 shots WITH PAINT from a 68/4500psi fill.
FAQ from Nordic Ninja:
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=1863555

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Changes of the PM7 to its predecessor (PM6)
Review by DyeMatrixDude187
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=1810537
Review by Passmeabeerdude
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=1851679
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Changes of the PM6 to its predecessor (PM5)
  • New milling
  • 1/2" shorter in height and 4 oz. lighter in weight
  • 2 piece Proto barrel (.690 bore)
  • New and improved LPR
  • New faster solenoid
  • LP bolt guide
  • Metal logo inserts
  • Locking no rise feedneck
  • ASA/Proto on/off bottomline
  • Integrated slide rail

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  • DM5 is 1/2 in. shorter than and 2 ounces lighter than the DM4, the DM6 is 1/2 in. short and 7 ounces lighter than the DM5
  • PM5 is 2 ounces lighter than the DM5 and 4 ounces lighter than the DM4.
  • PM6 shaved off .5 inches off the height and 4 ounces off the weight of its predecessor (PM5).
  • The Proto Matrices do not have removable chips, only removable boards. You can also get the boards flashed.
  • All guns use the Fuse Bolt design. The DM4 bolt is longer than the others, proving inefficient, the short bolt will get well get an extra 200 shots. The Pm5 gets more air because it runs at higher pressure, which also means more kick.
  • The DM4 & DM5 use an inline pressure of 180 psi and the DM6 runs at 165 psi. The PM5 runs at 220 psi and the PM6 runs at 165-170 psi.
  • The DM4 & DM5 use the same electronics, the DM5 is stock programmed faster, the PM5 and PM6 is completely different, and the DM6 comes stock with the UL Grip Frame, which comes with its own electronics.
  • The DM5 and the DMC are basically the same, except the DMC has stock Tournament Settings and 2 ounces lighter with the composite frame.
  • The DM6 and PM6 has an improved Solenoid which has improved efficiency with battery life, bolt life, and a longer lasting solenoid. The Self Cleaning Eyes makes it easier for players to not take time to clean their guns on the field.
  • The DM6 UL Frame features an LED Indicator near the thumb, this provides a quick view on the status of your marker.

Additional information (Courtesy of John684500):
http://photobucket.com/albums/b118/john684500/weights/

EDIT: Erased original chart I found because of errors/untrue facts. Original Chart that I found can be found here:
http://www.freewebs.com/oranger666/O...on%20Chart.JPG

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Old 01-29-2006, 05:30 PM #2
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One minor nitpick though, for the LE Composite body it should just be Composite body due to Dye continuing production of DMC's.
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looks pretty acurate BUT the DM6 DOES NOT have an upgradable electronics chip. u'd have to buy a DM6 lucky board for that.
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Old 01-29-2006, 05:48 PM #4
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looks pretty acurate BUT the DM6 DOES NOT have an upgradable electronics chip. u'd have to buy a DM6 lucky board for that.

Thanks you answered my question before I could ask it.

Any idea when or if Tadao is making a board.
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Old 01-29-2006, 05:56 PM #5
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this is directly from the TADAO website

"We currently have our 06 M7 Ego boards and the Trauma M7 DM6 boards in production. Our M7 based Ion boards are also close to being completed."

http://www.tadaotechnologies.com/
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Old 01-29-2006, 05:59 PM #6
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i must be blind, I looked at their site earlier today and somehow completely missed it.

Thanks

I just sold my Ego w/ M7 and Im picking up a DM6 thursday. I really liked the M7 so I cant wait for it to come out for the DM6.

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Old 01-29-2006, 06:01 PM #7
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Also all of the guns are programed through the LED.
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Old 01-29-2006, 06:07 PM #8
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I see lots of errors/untrue facts on that. And some of the rows dont line up. Nice find but needs lots of improvement.

-PM5 has a one-piece Proto barrel. Only the PM6 has a two-piece.
-The DM6 does not have a removable Upgradable Electronics Chip.
-PM6 has the same board as the PM5, which means it also has an Upgradable Electronics Board.
-How can a PM6 has a low-rise and a no-rise? It cant.
-PM6 doesnt have a roller trigger. It has the same as a DM4/PM5.
-You cannot adjust the PM6's trigger from the outside.
-PM6 has a "built-in drop forward" too. Its called an integrated rail btw...
-All guns have a LED program control.
-Define "legal tournament settings". NPPL/uncapped semi? All guns have that...
-What the hell is an Hourglass 45* Grip Frame? You mean the gun comes stock with an UL Frame...
-The DM6 and the PM6 have the same solenoid.

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Old 01-29-2006, 06:13 PM #9
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I see lots of errors/untrue facts on that. And some of the rows dont line up. Nice find but needs lots of improvement.
yah... after looking it over again... I agree with you that it needs lots of improvement. I thought is would be useful when I found it... oh well.. i tried...
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Good rough draft, now all you need to do is a little bit more research and line up the colums more.
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Old 01-29-2006, 06:18 PM #11
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sorry, but it looks like a Re-Re made the chart. Clean it up some, alot of the straight across checks and x's dont actually line up.
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Old 01-29-2006, 09:15 PM #12
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I see lots of errors/untrue facts on that. And some of the rows dont line up. Nice find but needs lots of improvement.

-PM5 has a one-piece Proto barrel. Only the PM6 has a two-piece.
-The DM6 does not have a removable Upgradable Electronics Chip.
-PM6 has the same board as the PM5, which means it also has an Upgradable Electronics Board.
-How can a PM6 has a low-rise and a no-rise? It cant.
-PM6 doesnt have a roller trigger. It has the same as a DM4/PM5.
-You cannot adjust the PM6's trigger from the outside.
-PM6 has a "built-in drop forward" too. Its called an integrated rail btw...
-All guns have a LED program control.
-Define "legal tournament settings". NPPL/uncapped semi? All guns have that...
-What the hell is an Hourglass 45* Grip Frame? You mean the gun comes stock with an UL Frame...
-The DM6 and the PM6 have the same solenoid.
Well even if I mentioned that I found the chart (not created by me), I made the mistake in posting it. Therefore, I created a new chart with the recommended changes. Thanks for pointing out the errors/untrue facts. Please let me know if I need to update anything else.
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Old 01-29-2006, 09:51 PM #13
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Well first off lemme say this new chart is the shiz but i have found a few things that you should change on it.

DMs dont have Proto One piece barrels.

The DM4/5 Dont come with On/Off ASA'a but they do have Integrated On/Offs.

The DM4 is the only one without a norise.

Lastly all of them have LED programming.

Other than those few things great job.
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Well first off lemme say this new chart is the shiz but i have found a few things that you should change on it.

DMs dont have Proto One piece barrels.

The DM4/5 Dont come with On/Off ASA'a but they do have Integrated On/Offs.

The DM4 is the only one without a norise.

Lastly all of them have LED programming.

Other than those few things great job.
Thanks... and fixed. please let me know if you see anything else.
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There is not an integrated rail on the DM4
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Old 01-30-2006, 11:20 AM #16
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There is not an integrated rail on the DM4
Took the words right out of my mouth.
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Old 01-30-2006, 11:40 AM #17
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Took the words right out of my mouth.
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nice job fixing it man this should be helpful to alot of people!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 01-30-2006, 11:55 AM #19
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nice job fixing it man this should be helpful to alot of people!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks xjunitx... I hope it does help... but I have to thank those that helped me with the corrections. I wasn't planning to create a chart... but I made a mistake posting a chart that I found that was very inaccurate... so I just wanted to fix what I posted
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Not a bad comparison chart.
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Old 01-30-2006, 03:06 PM #21
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Much much better. You get my props!

One thing you could possibly change is the feedneck section. A gun can only come with one feedneck. As far as I know only the DM4 and PM5 have low-rises, and the rest have no-rises. Not really an error but could be edited to clear some confusion.
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