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Old 07-06-2005, 01:13 AM #1
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hey guys my friend on aim says ions are better than wraths because the wrath chops paint alot is this true? he also said that the wrath can't get up to 20 bps because the gun parts can't keep up is that true also? he said its not designed to shoot that fast. So now im confused can someone help?
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Old 07-06-2005, 01:14 AM #2
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Wrong wrong and wrong.

It can shoot fast, your halo b can max it out.

It can get up to 20 BPS.

It doesn't really chop paint any more than the Ion, just have good paint and a good hopper.
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Old 07-06-2005, 01:21 AM #3
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lol my friend just keeps saying your lying he that its just a bunch of people telling lies...but i do trust you guys thats why i already ordered a black wrath.
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Old 07-06-2005, 01:24 AM #4
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Old 07-06-2005, 01:28 AM #5
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Old 07-06-2005, 03:16 AM #6
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yea hes jus bein an a** because hes an ion fanboy. i mean there both good guns for what you pay, it all boils down to preference because your never gonna need more then 15 bps, all day air solves efficency. so all u gotta cover is consistency (both guns come with decent reg) and accuracy, which both guns whould get better barrel to fix that. so mainly the only diff between em is price and feel.
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Old 07-06-2005, 03:26 AM #7
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Old 07-06-2005, 03:59 AM #8
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The ion thing is a dang cant think of the word, lets just say a lot of supporters of the ion, think of ion owners like republicans no offense to any of em out there. Just stick with what u believe plain and simple. I wont lie the wrath is like a really nice car, but before you take it to the race track (if you race that is) your gonna have to make some changes to it. This mostly has turned out into an out of the box competition, which to me is inaccurate, something should be judjed by its full potential.
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Old 07-06-2005, 04:29 AM #9
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^^Im gonna have to disagree with you on the fact that guns should be judged out of the box because Upgrades are pure preference and it would be better just to judge out of the box so that way there is no playing favorites.
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Old 07-06-2005, 09:29 AM #10
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This is taken from some research I did about a week ago on a price difference between the two guns, but it also applies here. If you want to compare out of the box performance, the Wrath has much better stock parts and quite frankly out-classes the Ion. It was even proven in a video made by Agg the man with his Wrath up against the Ion, and both were clocked in at about 17bps. You want to start talking performance upgrades, look at everything here on the list. The Wrath with all these parts shoots much better than the Ion with all it's ups, and it still costs almost $300 less to upgrade.
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Stock:$259.95
Evil Driver Barrel:$59.95
CP Reg:$64.99
FBM Trigger:$22.99
New Bolt:$35(Spud)
CP ASA Rail Mount:$24.99
New Board:$65(T-Board)
QEV's:Stock
Clamping Feedneck:Stock

Total:$532.87

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Stock:$284.95
Evil Driver Barrel:$54.95
CP Reg:$64.99
FBM Trigger:$22.99
New Bolt:$64.95(Unicor)
CP ASA Rail Mount:$24.99
New Board:$155(Predator)
QEV's:$11
Clamping Feedneck:$29.95
Replacement Metal Body:$110(FBM KAGE)

Total:$822.77

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Edit:Added Metal Body since alot of the plastic fire hazard kiddies seem to be wanting those too.
And for those who want to see it on the actual site, http://s7.invisionfree.com/The_Diabl...p?showtopic=50
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Old 07-06-2005, 11:40 AM #12
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Of course it's easy to be biased, but then again saying that is in itself biased, but let's not get into that argument. All I'm saying with that is take the upgrades most people put into their Wraths and their Ions and compare the cost. As for my comment on Performance, I'll stand by that till the day I die, biased or not.

Or if you're trying to make a comment on the "plastic fire hazard" thing, don't blame me, the site where I posted that is a Diablo Legion website, and the clever admin's there decided to make it filter the word Ion into "plastic fire hazard" and mean that as a joke, so don't take that too personally.
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Like for instance you threw in a Predator Board in for (155) compared to your t-board (65) and most people would like a ramping chip in that, another 20. There will be a t-board for the Ion very soon for about 85 bucks, the same price as a ramping wrath t-board. You threw in a FBM Kage body which is understandable, but that does nothing for performance. If put a new body on the Ion, why not throw in a 110 dollar custom anno'd/milled body for the wrath? I think you get the point.

Anyway, here's MY analysis:

Wrath:
Stock - 260
CP 1 Piece Classic - 40
CP Reg - 65
FBM Trigger - 23
Spud bolt - 35
CP/NDZ on/off combo - 40
T-board w/ ramping - 85

Total - 548

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Stock - 285
CP 1 piece classic - 40
CP Reg - 65
CP/NDZ/Techna Trigger - 35
Unicor Bolt - 65
CP/NDZ rail/onoff combo - 40
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Well that's all fine and dandy that the Ion will soon have a T-board, but is it out right now? No. Was it out when I did this searching? No. I provided a CURRENT comparison, not something based off of stuff that has yet to be released. And the reason I threw the KAGE body on there and didn't put an Custom Anno/Mill on the Wrath is because, like I said:
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All I'm saying with that is take the upgrades most people put into their Wraths and their Ions and compare the cost.
It is to be of note, that even with the changes you made, the Wrath, imo, will still perform better, and will still be oh $108 cheaper?


It wasn't meant to be an end-all, this is what you'll get, there isn't anything else out there in the world sort of thing. It was meant to be a list of the popular upgrades, the ones that most people seem to be getting right now, and have a comparison on the cost. If you want, I'll go twiddle with the prices on stuff like a board for the Ion AFTER it has been released, and I'll decide to throw on Custom Anno/Milling on the Wrath when alot more people decide to get them, because right now I have only seen about 10 Wraths that have a Custom Anno/Mill on them, meanwhile you're metal Ion bodies seem to be selling like hotcakes, with people drooling over them just talking about it. Maybe if they'd made the Ion look good like that in the first place...
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If you wanted to argue that, the predator board isn't even out for the Ion yet, nor is the Unicor bolt out.
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The Unicor bolt was found on ActionVillage.com, so I should believe that it is out if it is on a retail website. But if you want to take it a step further, then why not just replace that with the Spudnuk'l Delrin Ion Bolt, which is only 54.95, and yes it is avaliable from www.spudnukl.com. And if the predator board isn't even out yet, then why do I keep hearing nothing from all your little fanboys but "Check out my L33t PredatorIon!"? And why do they keep pointing to videos of Ion, WITH Predator Boards, as their end all argument for the Ion being faster than the Wrath?
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TAG's Predator board isn't FOR any particular gun. It's a universal board, and can run any single-solenoid gun out there. (The Pred Morlock will run 2-solenoid guns.)

A good friend of mine works at TAG, and they've done installs on both Ions and Wraths.
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The Unicor bolt was found on ActionVillage.com, so I should believe that it is out if it is on a retail website. But if you want to take it a step further, then why not just replace that with the Spudnuk'l Delrin Ion Bolt, which is only 54.95, and yes it is avaliable from www.spudnukl.com. And if the predator board isn't even out yet, then why do I keep hearing nothing from all your little fanboys but "Check out my L33t PredatorIon!"? And why do they keep pointing to videos of Ion, WITH Predator Boards, as their end all argument for the Ion being faster than the Wrath?
lol damn psyops owns again lol. i c u guys havent changed at all. and john being biased or not doesnt CHANGE facts....it may sometimes helps exaggerate them, but never change. the ion is a good gun. the wrath is a good gun. wrath is cheaper to max out. end of story. as for the ion is getting a tboard thing. well thats fine and dandy but dont say most of the wrath users are going to want a ramping chip. i kno for a LOT of us including me the first reason i dont want the ion is BECAUSE of ramping. some people just dont like ramping. so wtf do u mean "compared to your t-board (65) and most people would like a ramping chip in that, another 20."
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ok i think that we all need to just get along and agree that both the ion and the wrath are excellent markers
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