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Advanced 3-D Milling
Polished Fade Anodizing
System x two-piece barrel system
Custom 4 piece ball detent system
System x Low-Rise ball feed
Milled and custom form fitted teardrop XTC back block.
Delrin Bolt Open Face / no o-rings needed
System X Vengance 2.0NOTE: Review is on Vengeance 4.0, which is mechanically the same as the 2.0.
Got the marker back in 2008 for $150, at the time I already had an 05 black magic, so I was familiar with 'cockers and...
NOTE: Review is on Vengeance 4.0, which is mechanically the same as the 2.0.
Got the marker back in 2008 for $150, at the time I already had an 05 black magic, so I was familiar with 'cockers and was looking for a 'cocker with "back block mojo", there were 2 being sold locally; a vengeance 2.0 brown to orange fade and a vengeance 4.0 black to blue fade, they were both going for the same price so I jumped on the 4.0 which was a bit more banged up, but is essentially the same thing as the 2.0 parts-wise, only different milling on the body, which I happen to like better than the 2.0. The marker came with the stock .689 barrel, on/off ASA and mini drop, and stock internals and pneumatics.
When I got the marker it had, as I've said, plenty of battle scars, mainly on the HPR where the steel braided hose had rubbed up against it, flaking the chrome off pretty bad; and it was severely caked in old paint that was never cleaned off and rust in all the non stainless steel or aluminum parts.
Now with the background taken care of, the review for the one I got:
It's a 'cocker, if you're not familiar with them read the WGP prostock 'cocker review and compare.
Stock frame is shorter in length and height than a regular WGP frame (looks like a 1.5 finger CCM frame).
The stock bolt is delrin with no o'rings, which makes for a smoother stroke.
The stock spring configuration makes the marker super quiet (HPR sweetspots at 200 PSI).
Stock pneus have been nothing but good to me after rebuilding them (all of them, 3-way o'rings were cracked, LPR needed lube, ram needed a new o'ring), the stock LPR has a huge air chamber, recharges plenty fast and is incorporated to the banjo which IMO looks more streamlined than the usual LPRs, the stock 3-way is a 3 o'ring design, like the shocktech bomb or the dye 3-way, and provides a short trigger pull (not as short as the bomb though); the ram is as good as any STO ram.
It has a threaded feedneck in case you want to swap it for a clamper.
It's light weight, considering it's a later model it's to be expected, but it's as light as my 05 black magic which is midblocked.
The stock detent is rebuildable, which allows to clean the insides in case of the rare chop.
HPR is a refined version of the bob long torpedo and is the most consistent reg I own, +/-2 fps on the chrono.
Integrated beavertail into the frame looks slick.
Easily adjustable 3-way, has a knob at the front end so you don't need to wrestle with the collar which they also lack.
The stock trigger has a lot of slack when it comes to actuating the 3-way, which makes the trigger pull longer than it needs to be.
The stock frame comes with a hideous pull style trigger spring which makes the trigger as hard as a stock WGP trigger.
Proprietary front block means if you want to change the LPR you'll also need a new front block.
The only back block that will look good is a systemX block with the slope at the front, otherwise there will be an unsightly gap left there.
My biggest complaint is the spring combo in the marker, the stock valve spring is lighter than the green spring in a maddman kit and the stock main spring is as hard as the blue one, this forces the marker to be LP at the expense of efficiency. A spring kit is a must for this marker.
The on/off doesn't bleed (but that's just nitpicking considering most on/off's of the period don't bleed)
Stock non clamping feed.
Stock barrel is .689 2 piece but barrel backs are next to impossible to find and .689 doesn't cut the mustard these days (june 2011) with paint being .684'ish.
Milling is not the smoothest, you can see lines where the machine went on to the next step in the process, they could've sanded that off and then bead blasted for dust finish.
Because of the stock spring combo and trigger return spring, the marker is a bit less than what it could've been, is it a bad marker? by no means, but it could use a mod or 2 to be a better marker.
In case you have one and are interested in modding, these are my recommendations:
First and foremost, as with any 'cocker, get a small bore barrel, .682 or smaller, that will prevent most rollouts.
2nd, a spring kit to bring the marker back to normal efficiency levels, you'll be lucky to get half a case off of a 68/4500 tank with stock springs. I use maddman springs and run a green valve and blue main, it keeps it quiet but still gets bad efficiency (I run it mech with a gravity feed, so I'm not as concerned with efficiency), blue valve and green main will get you the best efficiency at a relatively low operating pressure, the valve is as good as any 2k+ 'cocker valve.
Take the trigger return spring out of the frame, if the frame is well kept the sear spring is enough to return the trigger, I've even cut down the sear spring to lighten the pull more and it still returns the trigger just as well.
Get a macroline kit, the stock hose rubs on the HPR and will ruin the finish.
Polish the ram piston and hammer, I did this to mine while rebuilding it and the cocking pressure is 40PSI, the marker no longer chops even with DXS gold paint.
If you want to get peak performance get AKA LPR cores for both the HPR and LPR, they will increase recharge rate a bit on both regs.
Take the stock feedneck off and either get a clamper or turn it on a lathe and get the "check it" feedneck collar or a bike clamp that fits, labor fees in my country made turning the stock feedneck in a lathe less expensive than buying a new clamper.
(2014 note: with AKA going out of business, the empire resurrection LPR valve core retainers will work the same, as they are an exact copy of the AKA SCM III valve core retainers)
Sidenote: I've run the marker as a mech and an electro with a modded SF Worrframe with a T-board inside, the marker makes a good electro, low cocking pressure coupled with the LPR's air chamber gives no dropoff at 15+ bps, the marker had no trouble running blind because the cocking pressure is so low, it pinches paint in stead of chopping, add a force feed loader capable of 20+ bps and you can run these blind no problem. I decided to turn it back into a mech because I already have the 05 black magic, I also bought an SR some time afterwards and am, at the time of writing, in the process of building a 2k5'd timmy.
Conclusion: Is it a good marker? It could be better, but for the price they're going for these days ($120-$150) you can't really ask for much more, they are above most markers in the price range as far as performance and looks. When you weigh the pros and cons, the cons are minor details next to the pros, it's a better all around 'cocker than a 2k4 prostock at about the same price.
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System X Vengance 2.0I own a fully bone colored (pewter) that looks like it came straight off a Star Wars flick. shoots like a dream after you tweak a couple nuts and screw. The timing is not a big issue because once it...
I own a fully bone colored (pewter) that looks like it came straight off a Star Wars flick. shoots like a dream after you tweak a couple nuts and screw. The timing is not a big issue because once it is set, it will never get out of time unless it is tampered with. I also have an issue with the hoses on the three way. if your not carfull you will snag one. overall i don't think i will be getting rid of it. Good tinker gun and great for havin fun. not so much for sport.
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System X Vengance 2.0The 4.0 was the first cocker I've ever bought, so I wasnt sure what to expect with it. I bought it after owning an impulse and I feel like it was an upgrade. I really liked the trigger pull. I...
The 4.0 was the first cocker I've ever bought, so I wasnt sure what to expect with it. I bought it after owning an impulse and I feel like it was an upgrade. I really liked the trigger pull. I could actually shoot my 4.0 faster than I could shoot my Impulse. I was worried about short-stroking and breaking balls but never really had the problem. The non-clamping feedneck was removable and accepted any other cocker feednecks. This was my first cocker and it must have made a good impression because it was the first of many.
The only cons I can remember are:
-The beavertail had 2 set screws and I know they stripped out for me
-The fact that it was made by system x didnt help it at all. I know they werent very popular for whatever reason.
Writing this review actually makes me miss it a little bit...
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System X Vengance 2.0The stock 3way and HPR that came with my Vengeance cocker were both pretty finicky. Once I replaced both, I was able to keep it timed well and used it for a full year.