pb2x disses hk [Archive]

AGGBalla22

04-08-2005, 06:25 PM

Here's the quote from PB2X:
Omnipotent Aftermarket
Two companies come to mind. One is the phony backyard field HK Army front for a merchandising pro shop (mistakenly labeled a movement) and the other is Advantage and their speedy chips, neither of which will be here tomorrow. The HK mod of lightening up the switch's spring tension allows a great deal more bounce activations. This leads to more bouncing over a lot longer duration creating more shots. This old school approach is easy to identify by refs with old school tapping of the butt of the air tank or slowly pulling the trigger or rapid fire a set number of shots - the extra shots are easy to hear. More about their ancient technology switch mod later.

The business practice of creating hype to sell product and of cloning products (stealing ideas that worked) are considered standard operating procedure in the outside world. Using those practices to sell product in the more underground or antiauthoritarian cultures, like street racing or videogames, is easy to understand. It's all about the Benjamins. But vulturing off negative aspects of our lives like newscasters sensationalizing tragedy for the sake of ratings kind of says something about anyone who would do that (and there are planety) and those who buy into it. It says they would rather fill their wallets the easy way by creating more problems for others, then fill their wallets by being part of the solution.

:tdown: So much ignorance :tdown:

theunmatrix

04-08-2005, 06:28 PM

wow just wow.

Charlie_Boy

04-08-2005, 06:56 PM

{napolean] Idiots![napolean/]

D3AGL3_PBALLER

04-08-2005, 07:15 PM

Its is easy to see how they would view it as such, I mean, HK charges $20 + for headbands that cost $5 at the most to make, they charge up to $80 for $10-$20 jerseys, and a couple of bucks for stickers that cost cents to make. If HK is about the players then sell the things to the players *AT COST*. I mean, you arent in it for the money, so why make a profit out of your supporters. Hook them up...They are showing you love.

Fromage

04-08-2005, 07:16 PM

First time Ive agreed with you yet.

AGGBalla22

04-08-2005, 07:23 PM

The thing about HK is that they give away TONS of stuff. At HB, Steve gave out jerseys and SS Shirts to supporters to throw into the crowd, and thousands of stickers were given out for free. Steve has sent me 50 plus stickers for free too. Plus, jerseys and headbands are all about supply and demand. You can get a new jersey for pretty cheap, but the rare jerseys are sold for more because of...supply and demand.

ffry

04-08-2005, 07:26 PM

Hk charges what HK charges due to the fact that so much free stuff is given out like AGGBalla said....... Thousands and thousands of dollars in free gear is given out, and it is the majority of what is produced which is why when stuff is for sale, it sells out so quickly because the majority of it was given away as gifts. The gear is costly to make Hk needs the money back to pay for getting the actual gear made and to help pay for tournament expenses :tup:

xxjvillesquidxx

04-08-2005, 08:03 PM

Supply and demand peaple wil pay that much so for the stuff that they dont give away they charge a little extra cause folk will pay a little extra.

ft57

04-08-2005, 08:21 PM

Originally posted by D3AGL3_PBALLER
Its is easy to see how they would view it as such, I mean, HK charges $20 + for headbands that cost $5 at the most to make, they charge up to $80 for $10-$20 jerseys, and a couple of bucks for stickers that cost cents to make. If HK is about the players then sell the things to the players *AT COST*. I mean, you arent in it for the money, so why make a profit out of your supporters. Hook them up...They are showing you love.
we've "debated" this issue before and you were the one who gave up after you ran out of arguments. should i do a search for it and remind you of how lacking you are in the "facts" department? i really don't think it's necessary to bring up anything negative, especially now that we have an entire forum to help alleviate the previous traffic congestion. to help refresh your memory to some of the points i've made clear to you...

1. you failed to factor in other expenses and costs.

2. you obviously don't know how much time and effort is involved in getting things done.

3. you failed to mention how the team got ripped off on the earlier orders.

4. you failed to find out facts, so instead, you just throw up random assumptions.

:crash:

i need to get back to my busy schedule now.... so far, we got 75+ envelopes stuffed with new style stickers to send out to people who have ordered stuff in the past, like a "thank you" present. :tup:

D3AGL3_PBALLER

04-08-2005, 09:21 PM

Originally posted by ft57
we've "debated" this issue before and you were the one who gave up after you ran out of arguments. should i do a search for it and remind you of how lacking you are in the "facts" department? i really don't think it's necessary to bring up anything negative, especially now that we have an entire forum to help alleviate the previous traffic congestion. to help refresh your memory to some of the points i've made clear to you...

1. you failed to factor in other expenses and costs.

2. you obviously don't know how much time and effort is involved in getting things done.

3. you failed to mention how the team got ripped off on the earlier orders.

4. you failed to find out facts, so instead, you just throw up random assumptions.

:crash:

i need to get back to my busy schedule now.... so far, we got 75+ envelopes stuffed with new style stickers to send out to people who have ordered stuff in the past, like a "thank you" present. :tup:
Like I said, it is easy for someone outside of the army to view it that way, I dont know how much free stuff is given out, although I do know how much it cost to get shirts silkscreened and stickers made. I dont know wether or not you got ripped. But that is my point, at first glance it is easy to see things that way. I am not all knowing, and I wasn't "bashing" the army. As a matter of fact, you were nothing but cool when you PM'd me, and hell if you sent me a free sticker *hint* I would toss it on my hopper and show you some love because you are an all around cool guy. But not everyone knows about your personal business affairs. All I see is stuff being sold at way inflated prices. At least, that was the first impression. You get me?

magster2749

04-08-2005, 09:32 PM

Its only cheating if you get caught.

The_Kids_Are_Alright

04-08-2005, 09:39 PM

If they want to write an article about over charging, write an article about how DYE charged me $1350 for the hunk of aluminium they call a "DM4".

RenegadeLegion4

04-08-2005, 10:20 PM

Originally posted by The_Kids_Are_Alright
If they want to write an article about over charging, write an article about how DYE charged me $1350 for the hunk of aluminium they call a "DM4".
Exactly... they can't talk ***** about Dye... or National's, or anyone's overpriced markers due to their ad-space that pays for the damn magazine! I have seen first hand how generous Steve and the other HK's are with HK merch and what not! I know that they are not the one's rollin in the benz-o's and BMDuubya's! Have you seen how Gary Shows rolls??? REAL HUMMER with a trailer that costs more than each of our cars! And you see the VAN that Scotty and the guys want to get to go from practice to practice??? It's just sad... I used to read that magazine... I used to watch their show.... The only way that we can have something done is to all write letters to PB2X demonstrating how much HK has done for paintball! Flood their damn mailboxes!!! Let them hear from the "millions... and millions" (in my best ROCK impression) of HK supporters! Tell them that we'll boycott their mag and their TV show until they retract their false accusations! Who's with me???

Paintball 2Xtremes Magazine
570 Mantua Blvd
Sewell NJ 08080

or
Call PB2X
1-888-834-6026

Now remember that you need to show that HK support is not a bunch of idiots... keep them letters on topic! Represent!

PAC

04-08-2005, 10:20 PM

Originally posted by D3AGL3_PBALLER
If HK is about the players then sell the things to the players *AT COST*.

lol, why don't you call up Dye and give them that line^ see what kind of deal they'll make you on a dm5 at cost, if they're really for the players, heh...

I have a shirt hanging in my closet and a pile of stickers on my desk that were sent to me free of charge (including shipping) by HK Army...no other paintball team or company has given me anything for free...they can't afford to give away everything for free, so they do have to sell some things at a profit to make ends meet...

memers0n

04-08-2005, 10:36 PM

Originally posted by PAC
lol, why don't you call up Dye and give them that line^ see what kind of deal they'll make you on a dm5 at cost, if they're really for the players, heh...

I have a shirt hanging in my closet and a pile of stickers on my desk that were sent to me free of charge (including shipping) by HK Army...no other paintball team or company has given me anything for free...they can't afford to give away everything for free, so they do have to sell some things at a profit to make ends meet...

Q.F.T.!

i won a contest in the hk and agg thread and got an allen key set and stickers, FREE, then today for a reason that im not sure about, I get a tigerstripe hk headband and more stickers, FREE

they have to charge this much solely because of the TONS of amounts of stuff they give away, they were handing out stickers by the dozen at HB, and probably will be at other events to...they don't even get payed for it, its all for the love of the game and to help the supporters get stuff...

sure it'd be cheaper if they sold stuff at cost and didn't give anything away, but then it just wouldnt be the same

D3AGL3_PBALLER

04-08-2005, 10:57 PM

Originally posted by memers0n
Q.F.T.!

i won a contest in the hk and agg thread and got an allen key set and stickers, FREE, then today for a reason that im not sure about, I get a tigerstripe hk headband and more stickers, FREE

they have to charge this much solely because of the TONS of amounts of stuff they give away, they were handing out stickers by the dozen at HB, and probably will be at other events to...they don't even get payed for it, its all for the love of the game and to help the supporters get stuff...

sure it'd be cheaper if they sold stuff at cost and didn't give anything away, but then it just wouldnt be the same
But like I said, when you see the stuff in the B/S/T you think "WTF?". ft57 has shed a light on why it is the stuff is expensive, but that is the first impression I and I can guarantee many other people have gotten when they see HK stuff for sale. And as for the "Give DYE that line", they are a business, they will openly admit to wanting to make money. They offer quality goods, and great customer service, but at the end it is all about making MONEY. HK has always said THEY ARE NOT ABOUT MAKING MONEY. So that argument was kinda...well....stupid.

OaklandDogs187

04-08-2005, 11:05 PM

Why are you arguing about the stuff being sold int he b/s/t forums? Most of the HK's don't even sell stuff in the b/s/t forums anyways. Most of the HK Gear is sold directly from HK, thanks to our good friends Steve and Mike. So if you see overpriced HK gear int he b/s/t, then it's not HK's fault, it's the owners fault.

Also, you ask why they charge that much, it's because they can charge that much. For example, if you knew you could get 150 out of a jersey because someone wanted it, would you sell it for 60? No, no one in their right mind would do that. If you can get more money than what you are selling for, then why not do it?

Brandon

memers0n

04-09-2005, 01:04 AM

Originally posted by D3AGL3_PBALLER
But like I said, when you see the stuff in the B/S/T you think "WTF?". ft57 has shed a light on why it is the stuff is expensive, but that is the first impression I and I can guarantee many other people have gotten when they see HK stuff for sale. And as for the "Give DYE that line", they are a business, they will openly admit to wanting to make money. They offer quality goods, and great customer service, but at the end it is all about making MONEY. HK has always said THEY ARE NOT ABOUT MAKING MONEY. So that argument was kinda...well....stupid.

yours? yes because they aren't about making money, but they don't want to lose money on everything, they'd be broke...

D3AGL3_PBALLER

04-09-2005, 02:26 AM

Originally posted by memers0n
yours? yes because they aren't about making money, but they don't want to lose money on everything, they'd be broke...
Wow, you are pretty slow, huh? Like I said twice already, *THE FIRST IMPRESSION* is that people are being gouged on the prices of HK merchandise. When you don't know that stuff is given away, HK has been ripped (according to ft57), or that they are using the $ for tourneys, it just looks like a marketing gimmick. I, being unaware of the above, said that it looks like they are in it for profit, because that is the *FIRST IMPRESSION*, and I was wrong to jump to that conclusion. But it is easy to see how other people, in this case PB2X, can jump to that conclusion.

Aight

04-09-2005, 08:41 AM

Originally posted by The_Kids_Are_Alright
If they want to write an article about over charging, write an article about how DYE charged me $1350 for the hunk of aluminium they call a "DM4".

TRUE THAT

atomixpaintball

04-09-2005, 08:44 AM

Originally posted by ft57
i need to get back to my busy schedule now.... so far, we got 75+ envelopes stuffed with new style stickers to send out to people who have ordered stuff in the past, like a "thank you" present. :tup:

Steve are any of those for me? Ive bought a dump load of stuff in the past including my HK'd Speed.;)

EnigmaX

04-10-2005, 06:53 PM

I'm not busting on HK at all, infact give them props for everything they've accomplished and will continue to due so.

With that said, you can't honesty tell me that HK sells their stuff with large amouts of profit/turn around in mind. I for one, know for a fact how much it costs to have these products made. I mean getting double the profit off of 1 piece of merchandise?

For instance, the HK Army pants made by Smart Parts being sold by HK for $100? For a pair of pants? I know exactly how much those pants cost.

Supply and demand, not exactly buying that theory either. When I walk through Smart Parts shipping department and see a huge box of HK Army Pants being ready to be shipped out to Cali, knowing that their going to be sold for $100.

It just makes me wonder...

Like I said, I'm not busting on the Team aspect of HK at all.

XSVPB

04-10-2005, 07:01 PM

i havemnt got my may pb2x yet.... when it comes ill have to check that out.

lilman

04-10-2005, 07:55 PM

HK is more than a team. It's a family of some sort. I find it amazing that a d2 X-ball team (what they used to be) is now one of the most popular teams around. Almost every serious paintballer has heard of hk. I think a lot of the badmouthing of hk is pure jealousy. Most of the players on hk are awsome guys and even better ballers. If people have to think that hk cheats to make themselves feel better (for getting owned), let them rant and rave all they want.

RenegadeLegion4

04-10-2005, 09:07 PM

Originally posted by EnigmaX
I'm not busting on HK at all, infact give them props for everything they've accomplished and will continue to due so.

With that said, you can't honesty tell me that HK sells their stuff with large amouts of profit/turn around in mind. I for one, know for a fact how much it costs to have these products made. I mean getting double the profit off of 1 piece of merchandise?

For instance, the HK Army pants made by Smart Parts being sold by HK for $100? For a pair of pants? I know exactly how much those pants cost.

Supply and demand, not exactly buying that theory either. When I walk through Smart Parts shipping department and see a huge box of HK Army Pants being ready to be shipped out to Cali, knowing that their going to be sold for $100.

It just makes me wonder...

Like I said, I'm not busting on the Team aspect of HK at all.

I'm glad that you're not bustin on HK.. but here's the thing... any of the pros or popular D1 and below teams can easily get more than retail for their product simply cause they used them. Sure... most of their stuff get's sold for well more than the cost to make... but remember that these guys are going through what we all go through. They are trying to make ends to be able to play paintball in addition to something that most of us will never be able to do which is reach so many simply through a dream represented in some stickers and jerseys! The dream is that we could all get out there and ball with each other whether we support HK or not... for the love of the game! Now if a kid want's to pay $90 bucks for a shirt that actually costs $15 bucks or so to make that's his perogative! Now what about major companies like NIKE?? Other than the stickers and headband making I don't see HK running sweatshops to keep the costs down! These guys spend mega bucks on stuff to give away to people that support them! It just sucks that someone hears a lil about them and a few mods that they have made to markers to unleash their true potential and then they decide to bag them as a whole without understanding what a Hostile Kid is? Don't hate em cause you ain't em!!!

D3AGL3_PBALLER

04-10-2005, 11:10 PM

Originally posted by RenegadeLegion4
I'm glad that you're not bustin on HK.. but here's the thing... any of the pros or popular D1 and below teams can easily get more than retail for their product simply cause they used them. Sure... most of their stuff get's sold for well more than the cost to make... but remember that these guys are going through what we all go through. They are trying to make ends to be able to play paintball in addition to something that most of us will never be able to do which is reach so many simply through a dream represented in some stickers and jerseys! The dream is that we could all get out there and ball with each other whether we support HK or not... for the love of the game! Now if a kid want's to pay $90 bucks for a shirt that actually costs $15 bucks or so to make that's his perogative! Now what about major companies like NIKE?? Other than the stickers and headband making I don't see HK running sweatshops to keep the costs down! These guys spend mega bucks on stuff to give away to people that support them! It just sucks that someone hears a lil about them and a few mods that they have made to markers to unleash their true potential and then they decide to bag them as a whole without understanding what a Hostile Kid is? Don't hate em cause you ain't em!!!
You are talking about making a profit though, which HK says they are not about. If you are not worried about making profit, you dont care about supply and demand, because you will just sell your stuff to cut even. If you sell something FOR PROFIT you are not about the player you are conducting business, aka marketing and you are using the HK name as a staple to make your profits. You get it?

RenegadeLegion4

04-11-2005, 01:02 AM

TDK

04-11-2005, 01:32 AM

I’m sure they’re only doing what’s necessary. The money generated from jerseys, headbands, and stickers sold all contribute to more being produced, stickers and other items being given away at tournaments, and paying for team expenses. If they where to sale them at cost, they wouldn’t be able to do all those things.

D3AGL3_PBALLER

04-11-2005, 01:55 AM

Originally posted by TDK
I’m sure they’re only doing what’s necessary. The money generated from jerseys, headbands, and stickers sold all contribute to more being produced, stickers and other items being given away at tournaments, and paying for team expenses. If they where to sale them at cost, they wouldn’t be able to do all those things.
I know that, but what my point was that people outside of the paintball scene dont. It looks bad, you get me? It makes it look like HK is taking advantage of their popularity, which isnt wrong as long as you dont claim you are "not in it for the money." I know the kinda money it takes to play competitive paintball, so I know how much money they have to try and rack up for "the next big tourney" but some people dont know or realize that. So you cant get mad at them for viewing that way, all you can do is explain it.

XXXIMAGEXXX

04-11-2005, 04:36 AM

All the hk stuff sold is put back in to the team. We wouldn't be able to play all 5 events if it wasnt for team fundraisers.

ft57

04-11-2005, 05:37 AM

Originally posted by D3AGL3_PBALLER
You are talking about making a profit though, which HK says they are not about. If you are not worried about making profit, you dont care about supply and demand, because you will just sell your stuff to cut even. If you sell something FOR PROFIT you are not about the player you are conducting business, aka marketing and you are using the HK name as a staple to make your profits. You get it?
Ok. Once again, you got it all wrong. So let me make it clear for you and hopefully you'll understand the situation.

1. HK has always and will continue to play for the love of the game. If you only knew of the incredible history of this team, then you'll understand why HK plays for the love of the game.

2. Playing at the highest level of competition play is where they have their hearts set at. Which is why they have to do fundraisers to get to those tournaments. For HK to make it to the events in order to play tournament paintball, is what has inspired so many of you to push yourselves to play harder and make the most out of this sport, and to have as much fun as possible.

3. You've used the word "profit" one too many times. So my question to you is...what profit??? Most of the players on the team can barely afford to practice every weekend. Most of the players on the team had to get a part time job just to keep up with the weekly practices. Yes, paintball is a sport, too. Dedicated players treat paintball like any other sport, by practicing every weekend.

4. What profit? Does the www.HKarmy.com sell that much stuff? Selling headbands and jerseys is barely enough to cover expenses. And everything is ordered in small batches, that's why stuff is always sold out so quickly. Compare this to some pro teams that sell anything and everything under the sun... with an endless supply! What HK sells is NOTHING compared to what pro teams sell.

5. What profit? From the sales of a few measly items? Give me a break! LOL.

6. Profit? From giving out tons of gear to "HK'ers" at national events, as a way to congratulate them and others for having made it so far? A lot has been given back to the paintball community and a lot of people have witnessed it for themselves. The HK Support crew consisting of Mikey, Krazy Kavon, Danny, and their friends, were out at NPPL HB a few weeks ago, working very hard to give out 2,500+ HK stickers for FREE... threw out tons of HK gear into the stands on Friday/Saturday/Sunday. They had so much HK gear that they had to carry the stuff in a box and in their backpacks, lol.

Tournament paintball is very expensive... and there's no "profit". :-\

Alien_Balliztix

04-11-2005, 06:28 AM

Originally posted by D3AGL3_PBALLER
I know that, but what my point was that people outside of the paintball scene dont. It looks bad, you get me? It makes it look like HK is taking advantage of their popularity, which isnt wrong as long as you dont claim you are "not in it for the money." I know the kinda money it takes to play competitive paintball, so I know how much money they have to try and rack up for "the next big tourney" but some people dont know or realize that. So you cant get mad at them for viewing that way, all you can do is explain it.

SIMPLY PUT:rolleyes:

If you see people saying that HK does it for the money?

PUT THEM RIGHT.
Tell them about all the overheads Steve and the team have to deal with, give them the examples of all the other BIG name teams doing the same and more. Mean while these big teams are still getting all there own kit virtually FREE.

SHOW HK SUPPORT, by SUPPORTING HK
SHOW HK SUPPORT, by MAKING THE DOUBTERS REALISE WHAT HK IS.
SHOW HK SUPPORT, by MAKING THE HATERS REALISE HK LOVE THIS SPORT AND WE ALL LOVE HK.

DON'T PREACH TO THE CONVERTED, PREACH TO THOSE THAT WILL BE CONVERTED WHEN THEY REALISE THE TRUE MEANING OF HK.

AGGBalla22

04-11-2005, 09:30 AM

The HK Support crew consisting of Mikey, Krazy Kavon, Danny, and their friends, were out at NPPL HB a few weeks ago, working very hard to give out 2,500+ HK stickers for FREE... threw out tons of HK gear into the stands on Friday/Saturday/Sunday. They had so much HK gear that they had to carry the stuff in a box and in their backpacks, lol.
It's true, me and one of my friends were with them a lot during HB, mostly during the finals. They had a big white box filled with new style jerseys and short sleeve shirts that they threw out during the finals, and they also walked up and down every single row handing out stickers. :tup:

D3AGL3_PBALLER

04-11-2005, 10:15 AM

Originally posted by ft57
Ok. Once again, you got it all wrong. So let me make it clear for you and hopefully you'll understand the situation.

1. HK has always ....Blah Blah Blah....

Tournament paintball is very expensive... and there's no "profit". :-\

I have what wrong, I didnt say you guys are doing it for profit, I said that if you are not aware of all the giveaways and the tourney expenses, etc. then you can see how easily it can look that way. As you said before, we discussed this. I have an understanding of where the money goes, but a lot of people dont know what you guys use the money for. They just see things being sold at high prices, and it looks like you guys are in it for profit. I am saying it is easy to see how people would view it as such, not that you guys are neccessarily doing it for profit.

EnigmaX

04-11-2005, 04:12 PM

Tournament paintball is very expensive... and there's no "profit". :-\

Smart Parts pick's up on the tab, along with some other company's.

Anyways, I didn't post to start a debate. This is an HK support forum.

Let's get on with that aspect of it....

RenegadeLegion4

04-11-2005, 10:37 PM

Originally posted by EnigmaX
Smart Parts pick's up on the tab, along with some other company's.
Don't think so... Can't be too much... it's not like a Dynasty deal or something.

EnigmaX

04-12-2005, 04:14 PM

I said pick's up "on" the tab, I didn't say picked up "the" tab.

Tayla

04-12-2005, 04:52 PM

Smart parts wont pay for weekly practices n such, maybe just part of entry to a tournament, a gun for the year, their jerseys and such, and maybe a certain amount of paint. This is a Div. 1 x-ball team, they need to practice every weekend to stay up there with the other teams. You know how much paint you shoot in x-ball? ya... a lot. And HK is paying for that on their own, which is surely a lot, and maybe some of us can afford it once a month? they have to do it every weekend, and probably drills or such in the week too. That is out of their own pockets, their sponsors dont just drop off 20 cases and leave, Hk has a good history, made seem bad by certain people. That is why they lack in the sponsors and financial things. If it wasnt for a few people, not on the team, but for the haters, and the people givin them a bad name, HK would have it good, but its the few that screwed it up. This is just from what i see.

EnigmaX

04-12-2005, 05:55 PM

Practice paint is usually included in an X-Ball Sponsorship. If they didn't get paint sponsorship, their not doing something right.

I'm not saying they don't pay out of their pocket for what they choose to do.

I can also assure you that those of us "normal" ballers that practice every weekend and travel to events, pay registration, hotels, air-fare, etc. Spend more money out of our pockets then HK, or any other team of their caliber for that matter.

Once again, not hating at all. Just don't give me this cry, "they have to pay for this and this" and "have part time jobs" etc etc.

I have a full time job like most normal people. Paying $1,000+ a month in bills, and still have to scrounge together enough money to play the sport I love.

Now, another topic please lol

RenegadeLegion4

04-12-2005, 07:46 PM

Originally posted by EnigmaX
Practice paint is usually included in an X-Ball Sponsorship. If they didn't get paint sponsorship, their not doing something right.
Tell them that when you have an X-ball sponsorship. Plus what paint does SP make that they can give to the team?? Good lord... I'm done with this thread!

Steve... close it so I can keep my sanity!!

DKepp1087/anti-agg

04-12-2005, 07:51 PM

Originally posted by magster2749
Its only cheating if you get caught.

thats the way i see it:idea:

EnigmaX

04-12-2005, 08:29 PM

RenegadeLegion4 - First, read my post again, did I say paint was coming from Smart Parts?

Obviously Smart Parts doesn't prodcue paint. I think that's a given.

Last year Smart Parts was using Evil Paint for some Sponsorships. I'm not sure what their using this year, it doesn't effect me.

I can find out for you if you really want to know? Although I'm sure Miami Effect and the All Americans pay for their paint, since Smart Parts doesn't make it right?

Worst case scenario, Smart Parts doesn't hook them up with tournament/practice paint. Any D1 X-Ball team at that level should have no problem landing a paint sponsorship through someone (NPS, etc).

If they don't, they need someone else who know's what their doing to look after that stuff.

I don't mean to sound like an @ss, but please make sure you know what your talking about before you try and point me out.

Oc_rage

04-12-2005, 11:37 PM

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04-13-2005, 01:15 AM

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RenegadeLegion4

04-13-2005, 10:28 AM

Originally posted by vF-ePiC
Why do they call it a phony backyard field?? =/ Im lost where did they get that from?

Poor writing + Shady Information = PB2X's article on cheating!

newenglandkilla

04-13-2005, 04:03 PM

**** pb2x, im subscribing to p8nt.

RenegadeLegion4

04-13-2005, 09:03 PM

Originally posted by EnigmaX
RenegadeLegion4 - First, read my post again, did I say paint was coming from Smart Parts?
Obviously Smart Parts doesn't prodcue paint. I think that's a given.
Last year Smart Parts was using Evil Paint for some Sponsorships. I'm not sure what their using this year, it doesn't effect me.
I can find out for you if you really want to know? Although I'm sure Miami Effect and the All Americans pay for their paint, since Smart Parts doesn't make it right?
Worst case scenario, Smart Parts doesn't hook them up with tournament/practice paint. Any D1 X-Ball team at that level should have no problem landing a paint sponsorship through someone (NPS, etc).
If they don't, they need someone else who know's what their doing to look after that stuff.
I don't mean to sound like an @ss, but please make sure you know what your talking about before you try and point me out.
Saying that SP doesn't make paint was just to retort to your comment about SP picking up the tab. Now as for a paint deal... ovbiously the team does not pay retail for their paint but come on... comparing the support of a D1 team to SP's NXL Franchises like Miami Effect and the All A's is just Ludacris! Good lord... that's like saying that the LA Dodgers get the same support as one of their AAA teams! There is no comparason! Now although the HK teams can compete with the likes of the best pro's in the industy they are not yet pro!
Originally posted by EnigmaX
I don't mean to sound like an @ss, but please make sure you know what your talking about before you try and point me out.
It's pointless arguing with you since you are under the impression that they get everything for free. Next time you get a chance to talk to any of the players of the Edge or HK Divisional Xball team ask them if they paid for their paint! Ask them if they used money from HK fundraisers to get the money!! Ask if they paid out of pocket!!! Then... and only then will YOU have YOUR facts strait! KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE YOU TRY AND POINT ME OUT!

Let's get back on topic... the article in PB2X posted above is a very cheap way of attacking a hot topic (HK) around the industry! Let's let them know that they are wrong about their comments and that they need to get their facts strait before posting in their mags or their readers (Us paintballers) will choose the many other sources that we can on paintball! Write them at the address on my previous post on page one or two... before all this sensless arguing! Show your Support!!!

EnigmaX

04-13-2005, 09:09 PM

When the f#ck did I say they get everything for free?

If you would quite reading further into my posts then you need to, their wouldn't be all of this.

Back on topic. Support....woohoooo!

RenegadeLegion4

04-14-2005, 05:37 PM

Originally posted by EnigmaX
When the f#ck did I say they get everything for free?

If you would quite reading further into my posts then you need to, their wouldn't be all of this.

Back on topic. Support....woohoooo!

Read his bottom line... it's the only reasonable thing he has said!

MadPSIence

04-15-2005, 11:06 AM

calling the magazine ignorant is pretty farfetched. Try denying it at all.. most of you are clueless as to wtf you're even supporting.

it's ignorant to assume the article is crap just because you're too stuck up in your HK pride.

RenegadeLegion4

04-15-2005, 01:58 PM

Originally posted by MadPSIence
calling the magazine ignorant is pretty farfetched. Try denying it at all.. most of you are clueless as to wtf you're even supporting.

it's ignorant to assume the article is crap just because you're too stuck up in your HK pride.
That's coming from a Canuck! lol... Don't hate cause your not down here!! lol. Everyone's entitled to their opinion. Even if it's coming from the skewed view of Canada: America's Hat!

woody306

04-17-2005, 12:34 AM

ok first off id like to say RenegadeLegion4 ... CHILL THE **** out dude! its an online forum.. dont hurt anyones E-feelings.. 2nd off... everyone is entitled to their own opinion.. pb2x has a right to say what they want because of what has happened from certain trigger mods. Freedom of speech and you cant do anything to change it

RenegadeLegion4

04-17-2005, 10:03 PM

Originally posted by woody306
ok first off id like to say RenegadeLegion4 ... CHILL THE ****
out dude! its an online forum.. dont hurt anyones E-feelings.. 2nd
off... everyone is entitled to their own opinion.. pb2x has a right
to say what they want because of what has happened from
certain trigger mods. Freedom of speech and you cant do
anything to change it
First of all... I'm "CHILLED THE **** OUT!". I'm not trying to
change their right to freedom of speach sir... PB2X also has the
right... no the obligation to the paintball public to attempt to offer
accurate information. Unless they are going to advertise their
publication as a tabloid they risking their reputation as a
reputable resource in the paintball industry by jumping to
conclusions on what HK really does with it's profits! I simply want
there to be another side to the story. My exposure to HK merch
is from HK Steve (FT57) and Timebomb. I do know that those
guys are always helping out supporters and that they are not
making tons or any of money by jacking up prices on
merchandise. They are simply doing what they can to keep on
doing what they love... what we all love... playing paintball!

To those who e*feelings were hurt... sorry! But remember this is
an online forum. You choose to read my posts or skip them! I
don't hold a gun to your head! And to PB2X... I won't be reading
your magazine anytime soon. If you agree with me and that their
alligations are false I hope that you will join me!

Rob!

woody306

04-17-2005, 10:06 PM

you need some serious help.. you seem like a time bomb ready to explode.... now .. moving on to a thread worth my time.. (leaves to noobie talk)

lovetocheat69

07-01-2005, 02:12 PM

The only way that we can have something done is to all write letters to PB2X demonstrating how much HK has done for paintball!

Tell me, what has Hk done for paintball? What did they invent, trademark, ect that was/is a big part of paintball and contributed to its development besides hand out stickers, free stuff.

woody306

07-01-2005, 02:40 PM

ive gotta agree with that statement.. HK is a bunch of nothings who do nothing... but you just gave re-birth to a dead thread :dodgy:

Ivor

07-01-2005, 05:16 PM

Just read the July issue of PB2X, and read about the thread going on here. So I thought i would post.

Kind of interesting on how you most of you guys think of HK as a movement, and not some shop, or merch company that your really just fans of.

Think about it.
What is a "movement"? Dictionary.com defines it as:

1:A series of actions and events taking place over a period of time and working to foster a principle or policy: a movement toward world peace.
2:An organized effort by supporters of a common goal: a leader of the labor movement.
3:A tendency or trend: a movement toward larger kitchens.
So, does Hk have ANY of these things? For example, what kind of principles or policy are you trying to foster?
You almost fit under the 2nd defintion. But, do you have a common goal? What is that goal?
3rd definition fits best. But, what trends are you trying to set?

Basically, it would be like someone starting the "DYE army" or "Angel Army". Why is HK so different? If one person could tell me what it is that HK actually IS, other then the clothes on your backs....then maybe I might buy into it. Give me a principle, or policy, or ideals of HK....something that HK is trying to change, then I will call it a movement.
Until then, your all fanboys.

I wouldn't have anything against HK or "HK'ers" or w/e you call yourselves, except for the fact that every person I talk to that says they are "HK" and "agg" are complete jerks and seem to think that because they buy from some company, they are above eveyone else. Not saying everyone is like this, and I dont' want to generalize, but thats all that I have seen come from it. When I first joined the forums, I was actaully interested about the whole HK thing, and asked about it. All I got was flamed for "not knowing" and being a n00b. Dont' have much HK people(that I know of....maybe they are just closet Hk'ers) around where I live, so I was interested. Until that happened.

:EDIT:
Btw, other companies give out stuff. For instance, Angel gives you all kinds of crap when you buy one of their markers. My friend got t-shirts and stickers from Dye-matrix.com for buying a Tadeo M3 chip from them. HK is not the only ones that do this.

Fu_ness

07-01-2005, 05:23 PM

Crap.....
I was the one that just posted ^that^
I was on someone elses comp. So, if you wanna flame, flame me, not him. He had no part in it.

ft57

07-01-2005, 07:21 PM

Tell me, what has Hk done for paintball? What did they invent, trademark, ect that was/is a big part of paintball and contributed to its development besides hand out stickers, free stuff.
reviving a thread just to demand attention and demand information that's readily available? These types of too-lazy-to-do-your-own-search mentality is getting old. There are probably hundreds of these same demanding posts, so please get off your lazy *** and do your own research. :crash:

Just read the July issue of PB2X, and read about the thread going on here. So I thought i would post.

Kind of interesting on how you most of you guys think of HK as a movement, and not some shop, or merch company that your really just fans of.

Think about it.
What is a "movement"? Dictionary.com defines it as:

So, does Hk have ANY of these things? For example, what kind of principles or policy are you trying to foster?
You almost fit under the 2nd defintion. But, do you have a common goal? What is that goal?
3rd definition fits best. But, what trends are you trying to set?

Basically, it would be like someone starting the "DYE army" or "Angel Army". Why is HK so different? If one person could tell me what it is that HK actually IS, other then the clothes on your backs....then maybe I might buy into it. Give me a principle, or policy, or ideals of HK....something that HK is trying to change, then I will call it a movement.
Until then, your all fanboys.

I wouldn't have anything against HK or "HK'ers" or w/e you call yourselves, except for the fact that every person I talk to that says they are "HK" and "agg" are complete jerks and seem to think that because they buy from some company, they are above eveyone else. Not saying everyone is like this, and I dont' want to generalize, but thats all that I have seen come from it. When I first joined the forums, I was actaully interested about the whole HK thing, and asked about it. All I got was flamed for "not knowing" and being a n00b. Dont' have much HK people(that I know of....maybe they are just closet Hk'ers) around where I live, so I was interested. Until that happened.

:EDIT:
Btw, other companies give out stuff. For instance, Angel gives you all kinds of crap when you buy one of their markers. My friend got t-shirts and stickers from Dye-matrix.com for buying a Tadeo M3 chip from them. HK is not the only ones that do this.
if you can't understand why so many people all over the country and all over the world... are so supportive of HK and HK Army, then may i suggest that you sign up for the Professional NXL Franchise Miami Effect fan club? That team is easier to figure out and understand and they're waaaaay more interesting than all things hk & agg. <--- hahahaha (most forum regulars will get it ;) ) [fyi, there is no official HK "Fan Club" because HK wants to be inclusive and wants YOU to actively participate in the fun.] If there's such a thing as SuperHero Captain Obvious, then you must be Captain Oblivious. j/k :P Seriously, you can't demand that information be served to you on a silver platter as if you were some sort of king. Please, get off your royal throne and figure it out for yourself... otherwise, there's always the Professional NXL Franchise Miami Effect! :tup:

http://www.hkarmy.com/steve/HK_backgrounds/D@dynasty_3.jpg

www.hkarmy.com
www.hknation.net
www.skinnyk.com
www.ollielang.com
www.scottkressin.com
www.ytinu.com

Fu_ness

07-01-2005, 07:43 PM

I was simply replying to all the post from people who are mad at PB2X for saying HK was "not a movement" and such.
I was pointing out that under any definition, it is not a movement. I have already stated why its not, and could not qualify to be a movement.
and I agree that there isn't a HK fanclub, at least, not officially. HK IS the fanclub, of a team/store/whatever.

I guess what I wonder is,
Why is it that people get so hardcore about something that, as you say, isn't a movement, or an idea? i dont' really know how to put it, because for me, if its not a movement, or the fascination(sp?) of a team, or a love of a certain store, or mod, or w/e, then I have no clue what it is...

So, I come to this conclusion, so far. You are saying is that there is no such thing as HK, that HK itself is defined by the individual, and not by a company, or a group(like say, PETA, which is a group defined by the people who started it as a movement to "save animals"), and that anyone can be HK, no matter what he thinks HK is.
I was reading a post about "agg" in which one person defined it as something, and 3 people told him that was wrong, and that it was something else. It seems that no larger group, or majority, can agree what exactly it is.
I wonder if the same goes for HK.

I'm not posting this aggressively, and I'm not attacking anything anyone said. Only asking questions about what was said, and why they said it.

lovetocheat69

07-02-2005, 12:04 AM

I didnt know this thread was so oldddddddd. I just found the link from another forum today. My bad. Let it die.

sensevision

07-02-2005, 12:19 AM

I agree that there isn't a HK fanclub, at least, not officially. HK IS the fanclub, of a team/store/whatever.

HK is not a fanclub at all. HK stands for Hostile Kids, a paintball team. HKarmy, is a group of select and elite paintball players, fans, and friends who are dedicated to the thought of playing paintball for the fun of it and creating their own sort of 'team'. We 'fanboys' ( :rolleyes: :tdown: ) are part of the HKarmy Support. We agree and back the cause of playing paintball for the love of the game and not for the money, tournaments, and fame all of the time.

The HK movement, which you seem to not understand, is the love for paintball and the friends gained and lessons learned from it. Ride or collide.

-sergio

NOTE: I AM NOT IN HK NOR HKARMY I AM SIMPLY A SUPPORTER. MY WORD IS NOT OFFICIAL AND MAY BE DEEMED INCORRECT BY STEVE OR ANY HKARMY MEMBER.

evo2f2f07

07-23-2005, 06:57 PM

Hahah, This thread is in the aug. 05 pb2x, lol.
Who cares it's an opionion. Jesus, oyu guys get worked up about someone saying they make cheating products and cheat,etc,etc,. WHo the **** Cares?

RenegadeLegion4

07-28-2005, 04:10 PM

Ivor,
The HK supporters on here are not upset with PB2X's semantics. The definition of "movement" that you provided does nothing but fuel our arguement! Let's see:
First of all, the reason Mr. Webster give's more than one acceptable definition for a word is so we can account for the numerous meanings and uses for a single word in the English Language. So we'll eliminate definition #1 as it does not apply to HK.

2.) An organized effort by supporters of a common goal: ex. the goal of HK to promote playing paintball for the love of the game.

3) A tendency or trend: Do I even need to list the trends started by HK that are present in Paintball today???

You are being waaayyy to literal in your understanding of the word "movement"!

"Basically, it would be like someone starting the "DYE army" or "Angel Army". Why is HK so different?"
Well... allow me to explain what's different: (This is reposted from my post on page 1 of this thread, since you're too lazy to read the whole thread and since PB2X was kind enough to edit out most of this while choosing to quote me in the August issue. Some of the info has been re-edited to apply to your post:)

"DYE army" or "Angel Army". ARE YOU SERIOUS? You are inferring that HK is a company! DYE and ANGEL are both major manufacturers that produce many of the products that we use in our sport today. They operate solely for a profit. HK is neither a company nor are they out for a profit! PB2X can't talk bad about Dye... or Angel or National, and their overpriced markers and equipment due to contributions that pay for the damn magazine through ad-space! I have seen first hand how generous Steve and the other HK's are with HK merchandise! I know that they are not the one's rollin in the benz-o's and BMDuubya's! Have you seen how Gary Shows rolls??? REAL HUMMER with a trailer that costs more than each of our cars! And you see the VAN that Scotty and the HK's want to buy to go from practice to practice???

It's just sad... to see that people actually think that these guys are selling their headbands and stickers to rip off the industry. NO ONE IS FORCING ANYONE TO BUY AN HK HEADBAND! You choose to if you are a supporter of the TEAM... or you want to be COOL... whatever your reason.... YOU ARE NOT BEING FORCED TO BUY A HEADBAND!

Just remember that if your team could sit at home for hours and make headbands or have some stickers of your team made and sell them to pay for events... THAN YOU WOULD TOO! You probably wouldn't have even though of being as thankful to the buyers as Steve and the guys have! You probably wouldn't have given out thousands of dollars worth of stickers, headbands, jerseys, ect out to the people that have shown support for your TEAM! Don't support if you don't want to. NO ONE IS FORCING YOU TO BUY A HEADBAND!