Wow

[paintdude171]

Last i saw this was in the custom markers forum, now it has its own.

anyone wanna tell me more then the site does about them? someone that owns one?

[paintdude171]

another thing, when he talks about the ram, he says moker instead of marker, might wanna fix that

[chaosphactor]

They are smaller than an Timmy, faster than your loader (WAS powered) and shoot straight. By straight, they have almost the same flat arch as a Matrix. The bolt is unique in that it forces air under and around the ball rather than just hitting it in the back. This is partially why is shoots like a closed bolt gun even though it is an open bolt gun.

Tons of guys at my field shoot them (Extreme Paintball) which is home to Sacramento XSV. Alien is now the gun sponsor for NRG, XSV's second team.

For the money, the gun is excellent. It can't beat my DM5, but it is better than both of my Timmy's and any of my cockers. For $800.00 you will not find a better gun period.

Scott Harvey

[Impact101]

Originally posted by chaosphactor
They are smaller than an Timmy, faster than your loader (WAS powered) and shoot straight. By straight, they have almost the same flat arch as a Matrix. The bolt is unique in that it forces air under and around the ball rather than just hitting it in the back. This is partially why is shoots like a closed bolt gun even though it is an open bolt gun.

Tons of guys at my field shoot them (Extreme Paintball) which is home to Sacramento XSV. Alien is now the gun sponsor for NRG, XSV's second team.

For the money, the gun is excellent. It can't beat my DM5, but it is better than both of my Timmy's and any of my cockers. For $800.00 you will not find a better gun period.

Scott Harvey

Matrixes have the same "arch" as any other paintball gun out there, the only markers that shoot "flatter" put backspin into the ball. Sounds like the alien has an undertow bolt which unfortunatly was shown not to work very well in angels.

[chaosphactor]

Originally posted by Impact101
Matrixes have the same "arch" as any other paintball gun out there, the only markers that shoot "flatter" put backspin into the ball. Sounds like the alien has an undertow bolt which unfortunatly was shown not to work very well in angels.


LOL, not quite, but whatever you wish to believe...

[Impact101]

Explain how a matrix shoots farther than any other marker then? As long as a paintball is flying at 300FPS it will always go the same difstance unless there is something like backspin. Sounds like you need to take physics 11.

[chaosphactor]

You are about 5 years late with this arguement and debate.

Buy (or try) some of the different high end guns, then decide for your self. Good luck.

[sfenix]

I didn't think that was the cause of a flatter trajectory.. I was led to believe LP (more air) put a flatter trajectory on a ball than HP (less air). This would make sense, a quick burst of high pressure air vs. a higher volume of lower pressure air behind the ball..

'course, it could all be a wives tale too..

[Impact101]

I have decided and I have used alot of high end markers and they all have the same tragectory.

Look up War Pig I think they did a test on the "longer range myth" and proved it utterly wrong.

[imagine 2kfo]

who utterly cares?

[moggle45]

physics 11

lol! It's Physics 20....

[Impact101]

Not in canada... And I care if hes spouting BS. Why do you care if we care or not?

[sfenix]

trajectory and range are to different things.. you can have to different trajectories hit the same spot on the ground..

[moggle45]

Not in canada...

BS, look at my location. Im from Canada too, and you lie.

[Impact101]

Not in BC then all I know is when I took it all I signed up for was physics 11. And anyways its does't even matter what the course is called.

And sfenix if the gun is being held level and the ball going the same speed, the tragectory and range will be the same

[moggle45]

if the gun is being held level and the ball going the same speed, the tragectory and range will be the same

You forgot to mention you have to have the same paint the same paint to barrel match on each marker.

[lilman]

For me accuracy is dependant on kick. The reason that matrix's are more accurate is because they have VERY low kick. I am too lazy to think about the whole lp vs hp thing.

[evil1st]

Originally posted by Impact101
Not in BC then all I know is when I took it all I signed up for was physics 11. And anyways its does't even matter what the course is called.

What grade are you in?

[Impact101]

12

[zerobar]

The key is kick before the ball leaves the barrel. If the gun doesn't kick that much, before the ball leaves hte barrel, the shot won't arch up, and cause the trajectory to be more curved. The two guns have the same velocity and if you held them both perfectly steady they would shoot the same, but because kick throws the shot off, it will seem like certain guns have flatter trajectory.

At least that's what i heard.

[Jack Rice]

I know I'm repeating my self but...
If the ball sits on the bottom of the barrel - gravity - then the air will naturally go over the to of the ball and cause the ball to roll along the bottom of the barrel and cause some spin that causes the ball to drop. Plus the air is turbulent as it comes out of the valve then hits the back wall of the bolt and tumbles like a wave as it crashes and when a wave crashes it pushes everything down. Plus the turbulent air causes the imperfection in the ball to be more influenced by the air. You end up with bigger patterns and less distance.

If the air "sweeps the ball" the ball rolls against the top of the barrel giving the opposite spin and causing the ball to have slight back spin, not enough backspin for lift bit instead of premature drop off it has a delayed drop-off. Because it sweeps the balls have the same axis, that gives a gyroscopic effect that causes the ball to fall along a narrower line. The Alien has a shot pattern just a little less tall that most guns BUT decidedly narrower. Most of the time you are shooting the edge of a bunker so a narrow pattern is very advantageous.

[zerobar]

Right, i think i get what sets this apart. It isn't necesarrily the operating system, it's the gas flow properties. Have you ever thought of making valve and bolt kits for other guns? This sounds like a really cool idea.

[Delta338]

Originally posted by Jack Rice
I know I'm repeating my self but...
If the ball sits on the bottom of the barrel - gravity - then the air will naturally go over the to of the ball and cause the ball to roll along the bottom of the barrel and cause some spin that causes the ball to drop. Plus the air is turbulent as it comes out of the valve then hits the back wall of the bolt and tumbles like a wave as it crashes and when a wave crashes it pushes everything down. Plus the turbulent air causes the imperfection in the ball to be more influenced by the air. You end up with bigger patterns and less distance.

If the air "sweeps the ball" the ball rolls against the top of the barrel giving the opposite spin and causing the ball to have slight back spin, not enough backspin for lift bit instead of premature drop off it has a delayed drop-off. Because it sweeps the balls have the same axis, that gives a gyroscopic effect that causes the ball to fall along a narrower line. The Alien has a shot pattern just a little less tall that most guns BUT decidedly narrower. Most of the time you are shooting the edge of a bunker so a narrow pattern is very advantageous.

This is correct, but only if the barrel is of a larger caliber than the paintball. If the paintballs are a perfect match or bigger than the caliber of the barrel, then the air trapped behind the ball as it moves down the barrel will reach equilibrium pressure on all exposed parts of the ball and not just the bottom where the air originally was directed. To place a backspin on the ball you must 1st direct it upwards, and then level out the barrel, causing it's momentum to carry it along the top of the barrel like the "Flatline" barrel does.

[Jack Rice]

Whatever,
the Intercceptor shoots straighter, come to a NPPL or XPSL and shoot it, the discussion will be over.

[dcpusher]

Delta- not all paint will fit perfect, and using a slightly "oversized" bore helps eliminate barrell breaks. Also air is released when the ball is still partially in the breach generally.

[Jack Rice]

I said I wasn't going to get into this but..........
Put the paint in the barrel, barely able to blow it through, that's what is correct - yes? The Interceptor shoot a tighter pattern. End of Story!
Don't believe me? Then come to a NPPL event or XPSL and See!!!
For PSP right now I'm thinking Chicago, Orlando and CUP.
If you believe the people who have shot them, like NRG, then your already convinced. But, I understand that big claims require big proof and a gun that shoots straighter is a very big claim, so again I say shoot one and the discusson will be over. At least for you.

[xsv1fan]

Originally posted by Jack Rice
I said I wasn't going to get into this but..........
Put the paint in the barrel, barely able to blow it through, that's what is correct - yes? The Interceptor shoot a tighter pattern. End of Story!
Don't believe me? Then come to a NPPL event or XPSL and See!!!
For PSP right now I'm thinking Chicago, Orlando and CUP.
If you believe the people who have shot them, like NRG, then your already convinced. But, I understand that big claims require big proof and a gun that shoots straighter is a very big claim, so again I say shoot one and the discusson will be over. At least for you.


jack is absoultly correct of course like always.

frankie

aliens rock

[flya]

No offense, not meaning to flame or anything. I shot an alien in San Diego and was not impressed. First, it was slow and I saw no accuracy that was greater than any other gun. If you're going to make a claim, I say you have a video backing you up that compares your gun to a timmy, dm5.

[Jack Rice]

Try it outside of a 30 foot netted tunnel.
Fast?
Some shoot faster than others, many now have ramping boards so that the gun is fast regardless of the shooter.

With a WAS board and shorter travel, mathmatically it cycles faster than the timmy you mentioned. Use a Halo and the gun - like most high end guns - is faster than the players who use it.
I say videos can prove anything.

[Morgoth]

I think I may pick up an Intercepter in addition to a Revelation hehe (when they are released that is :().