STD FS LPR comments

[Harbinger[TG]]

for those with the new LPR

I ran a case through mine sunday, so far it rocks. I wish i had real info and numbers that wont be for atleast 2 weeks due to various reasons. Anyways so far its working real nice, especially at high rof

ill have a real review in about 2 weeks, its going through a 24hr scenario this weekend and a 5man tourney next weekend

Kev

[smxnyc]

I recieved mine last thursday and played that same day....I did 2 non- scientific test on it....

1. I took off the stock lpr...and replaced it with the jds lpr and kept on the stock hpr..Reset the regs. 260 +/- 2/3 fps at 350 psi ....For obvious reasons the jds is high flowing and the stock Hpr couldnt keep up...I shot a full halo/w victory board at high ROF....the stock Hpr was struggling to keep up to supply air for both functions (air to lpr-to bolt and air to propel a paintball)....

2. I kept on the jds lpr and replaced the stock Hpr with a AKA 2Liter...... I reset the regs and had it shooting at 255+/- 2 fps @ around 325-330 psi...shot it at a full halo w/victory board at high ROF...and the AKA 2L kept feeding the jds ever shot....air consistency was awesome...kept pressure at 325-330..and the balls keep hitting the same location...

Then after those test....I played like 10 speed ball games and and a few 1-on-1's and kept shooting and had not problems all day....Im a very happy with the jds....

COMMENTS=GET THE JDS LPR WITH A HIGH FLOWING HPR... you will thank me after playing....:D :tup: :P

[FSU Paintball]

Put a sidewinder and a JDS on mine. Hey, guess what, all sorts of strange problems start disappearing!

I'll do a review after I put some real paint through it at practice this weekend.

[Bump PB]

They are very nice. Quality on them is first rate. Had a customer with an older FS that kept having these weird drop offs and ocasional spikes. It was a very isolated problem because the symptoms were plain odd. It was not something you could repeately produce. One of our staff Ron was nice enough to swap his out and put it on his to see if it was the LPR. Sure enough was, but still had that occasional spike. (drop offs dissappeared)

He came back and told us about STD. Ordered a couple to try out, and sold one to that customer. He was so happy with it he called us just to let us know. Now all the FS owners here wants one.

I personally can't wait till they make one for the Timmys and Bushys so I can slap them on mines.
STD, make one for the cocker as well please. My MR on my E2 is getting old looking.

Its something we will continue to carry. What more can I say. They are awesome.

[floongy]

I installed the JDS, cranked in in to allow the bolt to stay open. As supplied, it is way too open. I am using the CP HPR, and the combo should be fine. I did go through plenty of air during the setup routine.

NOTE: I seem to going through a lot of air just tweaking my trigger.

I will check the FPS over my digital chrony and write back soon.

[Harbinger[TG]]

The LPRs are being sent around 90 psi, need to crank them to about 100-115.

No real issue there, IMO it is best to ship them lower than higher for safety. It also eliminates user error on installs and blowing internals out.

My LPR performed great in the 24 hour game... couldnt get great chrono numbers because the paint was like .684 and my smallest barrel is .690

I can say that it was real real nice at high ROF and at long distances.

We have a 5man this weekend that should have everything broken-in and allow for some more data before i write my review.

[zt9]

i cant seem to get mine dialed in. I have a prototype freestyle for a team called zero tolerance with the HE Bolt, Macdev Gladiator inline, Macdev conquest tank. Ive tried everything i can think of, re-lubing everything, checking the noid gasket and manifold... everything is tight, clean and lubed. As soon as i get the bolt to shoot back while dialing the lpr, if i go any further the noid leaks. but the stock lpr works fantastic. Even STD is boggled. Anyone have this problem?

[floongy]

To zd9:

This is what I found:

Your problem seems to indicate your LPR is set too low. Try increasing the pressure, using small adjustments (turning clockwise) and cycling the marker between adjustments. This should stop the leak.

I am using the CP ASA which has a huge opening for air to flow up to their CP HPR. I have had it set around 280.
IF the STD is doing the job, keeping that bolt open, I think I would try another HPR. CP works great and it's not too expensive if you want to experiment with the HPR.

Have you lubed the o-ring behind the bolt? Just a little Super Lube before you stuff it back into the cylinder.

The standard ICD LPR and the STD seemed to work just fine. My STD was turned so that there would not be any blow gaskets...man I leaked a half tank before I cranked the STD down. I have it dialed in so that my bolt stays open and I added a half more turn on my 5/32 hex wrench to be safe.

I'll need to check out both over my digital Chrony and post the info back here.

Which HPR are you using?

I hope some of this helped!

Best regards,

Terry

[floongy]

zt9:

I forgot, once you adjust the LPR correctly, it will just start to leak. This is when you turn the hex away slightly so that the leak stops and the bolt still stays open. That's where I give the wrench the extra little turn to make certain it will stay open. An extra 1/4 turn will suffice. All should be well up to this point.

I did find out when I adjusted the standard LPR inside my home where it was finctioning perfectly, when I went outside where it was 30 degrees to test it, the bolt closed back preventing any more balls to enter.

The STD funtioned perfectly from the inside setup to outdoor testing at 25 degrees. Again both seem to function once dialed in. The standard was set with one more 1/4 turn to keep it open.

I understand there will be a "break in" period for the new STD and the HPR.

Best regards,

Terry

[Chris at Tech]

Originally posted by zt9
i cant seem to get mine dialed in. I have a prototype freestyle for a team called zero tolerance with the HE Bolt, Macdev Gladiator inline, Macdev conquest tank. Ive tried everything i can think of, re-lubing everything, checking the noid gasket and manifold... everything is tight, clean and lubed. As soon as i get the bolt to shoot back while dialing the lpr, if i go any further the noid leaks. but the stock lpr works fantastic. Even STD is boggled. Anyone have this problem?

Read here: http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=863990

[epic02]

Dont wanna sound stupid or nothing but what is a JDS and what is a STD?

[floongy]

Here is the info from www.stdindustries.com

New from STD Industries is the JDS low pressure regulator for the ICD Freestyle. The JDS line of regulators utilizes pressure-compensating technology to overcome LPR pressure fluctuations caused by changes in upstream air pressure. As upstream air pressures change (such as when your tank gets low), the set point of other LPR’s begin to drift. The JDS LPR overcomes this design issue by utilizing air pressure to offset the forces that cause drift. Less drift means more consistent and accurate shots.

Another benefit of the JDS LPR is the fast recharge rate. Under high rates of fire, some regulators can’t keep up, resulting in LPR pressures dropping off. This can cause shoot down in most brands of markers. The output of the JDS LPR is constant and consistent.



It works great!

Terry

[FMpaintballer]

WHere can you purchase this?

[STD Industries]

Originally posted by FMpaintballer
WHere can you purchase this?

Our web site has a list of carriers, or you can purchase it directly from us. The web site is http://www.stdindustry.com

[floongy]

OOPS I messed up the STD url!

Sorry...and Thanks STD for coming to the rescue!

Best regards,

Terry

[THEBETTERONE]

mine works perfect, and it looks great, I am gettin + or - 2 on the crono, before it was terrible.

It is the best upgrade made for the freestyle

everyone buy one

[pntballer101]

Dude my STD sucks, Yes its consitant but it wont shoot past like 10 bps because that pointwhere the bolt doesnt leak anymore, well at that point the bolt is slow returning and resulting in low bps. I dont know what the problem is wiht it, i just put the stock back on and it shot alot better than the std. I hope they give refunds.

[Play4therush]

^^ yea ,,, i think most if not all the issues are with higher pressures from using the HE KIT.

[floongy]

Play4therush,

What problems are associated with the HE bolt?
My FS is the 04 body with 05 upgrades.

Best regards,

TC

[STD Industries]

Originally posted by pntballer101
Dude my STD sucks, Yes its consitant but it wont shoot past like 10 bps because that pointwhere the bolt doesnt leak anymore, well at that point the bolt is slow returning and resulting in low bps. I dont know what the problem is wiht it, i just put the stock back on and it shot alot better than the std. I hope they give refunds.

Have you contacted our tech support department yet? If you e-mail us at techsupport@stdindustry.com, we may be able to help you set up your JDS properly.

[Play4therush]

Originally posted by floongy
Play4therush,

What problems are associated with the HE bolt?
My FS is the 04 body with 05 upgrades.

Best regards,

TC


The LPR has a hard time keeping up with HRF, and when using higher pressure from the HPR to run the HE bolt it doesnt seem to handle the pressure.

[pntballer101]

Oh so are you saying that the lpr just wont handle high pressure so if i use teh stock reg. it wont do that instead of using my sidewinder. I used my stock lpr with my sidewinder it did awsome, not as consitant but it did good. Well i emailed STD about the problem. I still dont kindof understand, I somewhat do but how come some guns wont do good wiht the std and some will?

[webmstrk9]

To clarify, the JDS reg has an operating range of ~30-150 psi--this is the output range. Some of the HE bolts require 160+ psi. It's not a recharge issue with the JDS LPR. It's simply that the JDS cannot provide an output pressure beyond 150 psi without a stronger main spring.

[Play4therush]

that doesnt mke sence because anymore thn the noid relieves pressure.

[STD Industries]

Originally posted by Play4therush
that doesnt mke sence because anymore thn the noid relieves pressure.

We had an HE bolt running off a JDS set at 160 psi. Even at that pressure, the solenoid was not bleeding off. I don't know at what point the solenoid begins to bleed off, but it's higher than 160.

[Monke]

would the Barts Parts Bullet nose fit onto the STD LPR?

that would be sweet if it did.

[Play4therush]

Originally posted by STD Industries
We had an HE bolt running off a JDS set at 160 psi. Even at that pressure, the solenoid was not bleeding off. I don't know at what point the solenoid begins to bleed off, but it's higher than 160.

then how did you get the stock STD to go that high?? without the spring crunching?

[STD Industries]

Originally posted by Play4therush
then how did you get the stock STD to go that high?? without the spring crunching?

We used a heavier spring.

[Play4therush]

so that means you will be sending me out the heavier spring free of charge?

[STD Industries]

Originally posted by Play4therush
so that means you will be sending me out the heavier spring free of charge?

Yep, that's what "on our dime" means. Everybody who ordered a JDS from us will be shipped the heavier spring, along with a letter explaining how to install/use the spring. We have all the addresses of our customers on file, so there's nothing you'll need to do to get the spring.

[THEBETTERONE]

That is "excellent" customer service.

*appluads*

[STD Industries]

Originally posted by THEBETTERONE
That is "excellent" customer service.

*appluads*

We're working hard to be a top-shelf company. If spending a couple of bucks per customer to send out a spring means we'll earn some lifetime customers, it's worth every penny.

[mtbrdude]

ooo baby! ;) maybe i'll get one of these fancy regs..

[Monke]

does that mean regardless of where it was ordered from?

and how about those bullet noses? i kinda scratched mine up when i was adjusting it and i think the bullet nose would make it look that much more awesome.

great job.

[STD Industries]

Originally posted by Monke
does that mean regardless of where it was ordered from?

and how about those bullet noses? i kinda scratched mine up when i was adjusting it and i think the bullet nose would make it look that much more awesome.

great job.

If you ordered from one of our dealers, send us an e-mail at techsupport@stdindustry.com. Include your mailing information, and who you bought it from, and we'll send a spring out to you. We'll also be sending springs to the dealers.

As for bullet noses, pester BartParts and see if they'd be interested in making them for the JDS.

[Auctionjunkie!]

DBN is planning on modifying the Bullet Noses they have in stock to work with the JDS regs. I'm not sure when they will be completed.
Dan

[smxnyc]

I applaud you STD guys.....this is excellent service and Im very pleased....you just got a happier customer and probably a life long buyer.......sweet I will be waiting for my the newer spring.

What is the ETA?? on that shipping of new spring???

[Monke]

Originally posted by Auctionjunkie!
DBN is planning on modifying the Bullet Noses they have in stock to work with the JDS regs. I'm not sure when they will be completed.
Dan

sweet!!

[Auctionjunkie!]

Originally posted by smxnyc
I applaud you STD guys.....this is excellent service and Im very pleased....you just got a happier customer and probably a life long buyer.......sweet I will be waiting for my the newer spring.

What is the ETA?? on that shipping of new spring???

Thanks, as long time players we understand what it like to be on the other side of the problem.
We just got the specs on the spring from the manufacturer and need to go through their process. I'm not sure of the time frame at this point.
Dan

[Play4therush]

A++++++++

Do you plan on making a high pressure regulator?? Something that will reduce say 800-850 input down to say a range anywheres between 0-500 effectively?

[Auctionjunkie!]

:D

Dan

[FallNAngel]

Originally posted by STD Industries
If spending a couple of bucks per customer to send out a spring means we'll earn some lifetime customers, it's worth every penny.

:tup: :cool:

[Lawbringer]

you realize that most of the guys in STD are ex. AKA employees..... Aaron K. Alexander of AKA designed the SCM and i would assume the 2 Liter as well. Being that the JDS was designed by him i think its pretty safe to say that we can expect a new inline from STD. What is in question is if they can top the prefection that is the 2-liter.

[THEBETTERONE]

Hopefully this is just the tip(beginning) of a very large iceberg(of good products) for STD.

Or............the beginning of a very long breakout. heh heh

[trip]

got my STD today and right out of the box it was more constistant than my original ICD LPR even after a couple of Reballs i could feel the difference. this is a great reg! i had some fluctuation problems before but now it's rock steady =) Thank u Aaron and the rest of u at STD

[Harbinger[TG]]

Just took 3rd in a local 5man

JDS was flawless with an uncapped nox

[THEBETTERONE]

I ordered another jds today for my new fs that is coming in a few days, I won't even CONSIDER airing it up with the stock "dildo" that the freestyle comes with.

[Harbinger[TG]]

From somewhere else

Harbinger - 03:20:28 on Mar 09 2005

This thing is amazing. I just put it through a Scenario last weekend, and a 5man saturday. I have Modded Gen1:
Gregs HE Bolt, from Greg@ICD
Custom NOX from Rocky@ND
AKA SW HPR
Trigger From Acid Customs Aus.

This went from rainy and 40-60 degrees one weekend to a 70-80 sunny 5man the next. During the tourney i was running an uncapped nox code which is way over 15bps. This thing hung like a champ.
the gun:
http://www.harbtech.com/spogear/spofs.jpg
NOTE: pic is pre JDS
Kevin "Harbinger[TG]" Sheil
www.trailgunners.com
www.teamtoxic.net
Harbinger@Pbnation.com
ICD Certified and official ICD TEST PILOT

[live2die22]

So if I order a JDS from STD today it will come with the heavier spring so I can run it with the HE bolt correct?

[smxnyc]

What I think the problems is that people with higher flowing hpr will not have any problems as long as there is no problems with the FS itself.....I think the CP Regs are good but doesnt give you the best constant air pressure.... I have not have any problems with my JDS lpr....

What I heard is that the heavier spring is in the manufacturing state but will wont come with the jds lpr...STD will send out the springs to you free of charge as soon as they become available....

I probably wont need it, my fs rocks..

[Auctionjunkie!]

Originally posted by live2die22
So if I order a JDS from STD today it will come with the heavier spring so I can run it with the HE bolt correct?

The heavy springs are not in stock yet.

Dan

[live2die22]

So are there people out there with the HE bolt kit running this LPR without problems? OR do you need the spring for sure?

[Pressure-Jeff]

btw, i have a naughty dog freestyle, and a cp reg, and i had the problems. so its not the flow of your hpr one bit. And i dont have problems with the stock lpr, that isnt normal.

I do believe the spring thou will fix the problem up so i will have the consistancy i desire :)

[live2die22]

Ok so then Ill just wait to buy one when they have the springs available...There is no point for me to spend $65 if I cant use it...

[STD Industries]

Good news! The heavier springs will be in next week! If all goes as planned, we'll have them shipped out and on their way to everyone by 3-18-05.

Customers Who Ordered Through The STD Industries Website
There is nothing you need to do to receive the heavier spring. We have all of your addresses on file and will send the spring out to all of our customers. We expect that most, if not all, US customers will recieve their springs by 3-26-05.

Customers Who Ordered Though An STD Industry Dealer
Send an e-mail to techsupport@stdindustry.com, requesting the heavier spring. To help us sort our e-mails, please mark the subject of your e-mail as "Spring Upgrade". In this e-mail, include your name and address, and the company you purchased your JDS reg from.

Dealers
We will be sending out the heavier springs to all our dealers who have stocked JDS Freestyle LPRs in their stores. Dealers will receive enough springs to cover all regs purchased to date. We ask that you insert these springs into the packaging of any remaining stock. No installation is required.

Future Orders
Orders received from now until the springs are available will be held until we receive the springs. If you do not want your order to wait for the heavier spring, send us an e-mail after you order and we will accomodate your request.

All future orders for the JDS Freestyle LPR will include both springs. The lighter spring will be installed in the LPR, and the heavier spring will be included in the packaging.

Installation Instructions
Installation instructions will be available when the springs are shipped. Our online documentation will be updated to include this information.

We thank you for your patience and feedback throughout this issue. As we've mentioned elsewhere, it is our intent become known as a top-shelf company both in product quality and customer service. Hopefully we're exceeding your expectations of what a paintball company should be.

[live2die22]

Ok cool...Thank you for all the information. Ill order one in a week or 2....I still need to buy a reloader B :( Im running out of money!

[Chris at Tech]

Originally posted by STD Industries

As we've mentioned elsewhere, it is our intent become known as a top-shelf company both in product quality and customer service. Hopefully we're exceeding your expectations of what a paintball company should be.

You're off to a great start. Keep up the good work!

[Harbinger[TG]]

Originally posted by STD Industries
Good news! The heavier springs will be in next week! If all goes as planned, we'll have them shipped out and on their way to everyone by 3-18-05.

Customers Who Ordered Through The STD Industries Website
There is nothing you need to do to receive the heavier spring. We have all of your addresses on file and will send the spring out to all of our customers. We expect that most, if not all, US customers will recieve their springs by 3-26-05.

Customers Who Ordered Though An STD Industry Dealer
Send an e-mail to techsupport@stdindustry.com, requesting the heavier spring. To help us sort our e-mails, please mark the subject of your e-mail as "Spring Upgrade". In this e-mail, include your name and address, and the company you purchased your JDS reg from.

Dealers
We will be sending out the heavier springs to all our dealers who have stocked JDS Freestyle LPRs in their stores. Dealers will receive enough springs to cover all regs purchased to date. We ask that you insert these springs into the packaging of any remaining stock. No installation is required.

Future Orders
Orders received from now until the springs are available will be held until we receive the springs. If you do not want your order to wait for the heavier spring, send us an e-mail after you order and we will accomodate your request.

All future orders for the JDS Freestyle LPR will include both springs. The lighter spring will be installed in the LPR, and the heavier spring will be included in the packaging.

Installation Instructions
Installation instructions will be available when the springs are shipped. Our online documentation will be updated to include this information.

We thank you for your patience and feedback throughout this issue. As we've mentioned elsewhere, it is our intent become known as a top-shelf company both in product quality and customer service. Hopefully we're exceeding your expectations of what a paintball company should be.
You guys are awesome

[Auctionjunkie!]

We try, LOL.
Did some preliminary testing today with a prototype spring. As soon as the new production springs are in I will make a video proving the throughput capabilities of this LPR.
I think everyone will agree it's a worthy investment and lives up to it's claims once they see it.

Dan

[live2die22]

Originally posted by Auctionjunkie!
We try, LOL.
Did some preliminary testing today with a prototype spring. As soon as the new production springs are in I will make a video proving the throughput capabilities of this LPR.
I think everyone will agree it's a worthy investment and lives up to it's claims once they see it.

Dan

Hurry up I have an ITCH!!!!! LOL

[Harbinger[TG]]

Originally posted by Auctionjunkie!
We try, LOL.
Did some preliminary testing today with a prototype spring. As soon as the new production springs are in I will make a video proving the throughput capabilities of this LPR.
I think everyone will agree it's a worthy investment and lives up to it's claims once they see it.

Dan It hung with my uncapped NOX cant really beat that

I wish i had a video camera

[STD Industries]

Good news! The springs came in this afternoon. We got them packed up and they're on the way to everyone even as we speak. Effective immediately, all JDS Freestyle LPRs that are shipped from STD Industries will have both springs included.

[live2die22]

Good! Time to order mine!

[FallNAngel]

Good job STD :tup: I'll be picking one of these up for my FSP :cool:

[live2die22]

How long will it take to ship to me if I order one right now? I live in california?

I just ordered one! WOOHOO!

[STD Industries]

Originally posted by live2die22
How long will it take to ship to me if I order one right now? I live in california?

I just ordered one! WOOHOO!

Let's put it to you this way. I just finished boxing yours up--and you ordered less than 10 minutes ago. It'll go out in the mail tomorrow and you should see it sometime next week.

[live2die22]

Originally posted by STD Industries
Let's put it to you this way. I just finished boxing yours up--and you ordered less than 10 minutes ago. It'll go out in the mail tomorrow and you should see it sometime next week.

WOW! Now thats some sweet service! Thank you so much! I hope there are some stickers in there that I can put on my gear and show off! :tup:

[Leoman69]

Lol, I ordered mine just about the same time as proraptor. About how long to NY?

[STD Industries]

The post office says 2-3 days to anywhere in the United States. Everything's packed and ready to go out, so you should see it sometime next week.

[live2die22]

Yeah Priority only takes a max of 3 days to anywhere...Ive never had it take any longer.

[FallNAngel]

Actually, they say 2-3 days, it's not guarenteed though.

[live2die22]

Originally posted by FallNAngel
Actually, they say 2-3 days, it's not guarenteed though.

I never said it was guarenteed.....Ive used it at least 50 times and it has never taken longer than 3 days.

[OMG_WTF]

Originally posted by STD Industries
Good news! The springs came in this afternoon. We got them packed up and they're on the way to everyone even as we speak. Effective immediately, all JDS Freestyle LPRs that are shipped from STD Industries will have both springs included.
yay! i was gonna ask if you switched over to the heavier spring or if we get both cuz i would like to try the lighter spring first and use the heavier only if its necessary. STD is awesome.

[FallNAngel]

Originally posted by live2die22
I never said it was guarenteed.....

You're right... you said a max of 3 days... which is isn't. Several times I've had it take over 3.

Anyway, I ordered mine... should be here this week!

[trip]

well.. feel sorry for me. i'm halfway around the globe from you guys. think i'll be the last one recieving the spring :/

[Auctionjunkie!]

Did you email info@stdindustry.com that you need one? I didn't see any international envelopes in the out box.
Dan

[trip]

quote from STD_Industries/icd-owners.com:
Customers Who Ordered Through The STD Industries Website
There is nothing you need to do to receive the heavier spring. We have all of your addresses on file and will send the spring out to all of our customers.

so i thought that i didnt need to because you wrote that.

[Harbinger[TG]]

BOTH SPRINGS!!!!!

kickass

[Leoman69]

Got my LPR wit both springs w00t

[FallNAngel]

Good lord. Just got mine in today, wasn't expecting it until next week some time. Of course, you guys are in IN and I'm in IL. Still fast shipping :tup:

[Leoman69]

Is the spring that needs to be put not in the LPR, in it already? Or does it come seperate? Also where does the spring go? GOt mine today

[Play4therush]

when did the new springs ship?? I didnt get mine yet.

[Harbinger[TG]]

People please realize this was for performance issues and discussions..not pestering the guys about shipping stuff

this is for review/evaluation data

[THEBETTERONE]

got my springs today. I was pleasantly suprised

[floongy]

Dear STD,

I received my spring on Friday the 19th.

Thank you very much!

Top drawer service!

Best regards,

Terry

[MonkeyG]

Just wondering, is a CP or HYper reg good enough to work well with one of these like the 2 liter does?

[Monke]

oddest thing
today while at the local indoor field, their speed limit is 260fps, and for some strange reason, with the STD i couldn't get it under! usually with the stock, all it takes is to turn the LPR up a little bit and i'm all good!
today to get it running at sub-260, i had to set my HPR to 200! all i have to say is that with the STD LPR i ran it at the lower pressure with no problems what so ever! it was awesome-the FS was amazing quiet, no kick, was amazing!
i dunno, i think i'm going to hand it to STD for making it awesome. i even got better efficentcy!
best 60 i ever spent!

[higginsjohn]

I got one of these bad boys for my Freestyle. Amazing. Simply amazing. Suddenly weird problems that I was having started to disappear. Moreover, I am able to run my LPR at a lower pressure with absolutely NO drop off. Great consistency, great flow. As far as I'm concerned STD really hit the ball outa the park on this one.

[live2die22]

Thank you STD! I got my LPR in record time! I live in California and received the LPR is a whopping 2 days! The LPR works awesome, much better than the stocker!

[Play4therush]

now they just need to get a great HP reg.

[MonkeyG]

and hopefully they can make it look better than a side winder

[live2die22]

Sidewinders are nice and simple looking...I love mine works awesome

[Monke]

sweet i got my replacement spring today.

i don't really need it but it's nice to have it just in case.

[raydog10]

I HAVE A NAUGHTY DOG FREESTYLE WITH STOCK HPR REG AND THE STD LPR AND IT SEEMS TO BE WORKING FINE...WILL IT WORK BETTER WHEN I GET THE OTHER SPRING?

[THEBETTERONE]

Originally posted by raydog10
I HAVE A NAUGHTY DOG FREESTYLE WITH STOCK HPR REG AND THE STD LPR AND IT SEEMS TO BE WORKING FINE...WILL IT WORK BETTER WHEN I GET THE OTHER SPRING?

I believe there is paper work that comes with the new spring that says not to use the new spring if the original is working fine.

[STD Industries]

Originally posted by THEBETTERONE
I believe there is paper work that comes with the new spring that says not to use the new spring if the original is working fine.

We follow the "if it's not broke, don't fix it" mantra.

[Grubby]

would it be better to buy an STD or a Sidewinder first?

[swolkid_76]

I'd say sidewinder. It's the more expensive of the two.(only by 15 bux though)

[Lawbringer]

i got to say that the 2-liter is absolutely amazing. I got one on my imp (I own a sp gun.... shoot me). It preforms 10x better than the cp reg i had on it before. I used to be able to set my hpr at 100psi and 6ms dwell and be able to bounce the hammer off the valve and dry fire FOREVER. now at 50psi on the HPR it fully cycles and i cant even see the recharge on my ashcroft gague.

[CaptHowdy]

Can someone post pics on how to switch out springs and maintain/lube the STD LPR?

[STD Industries]

Originally posted by CaptHowdy
Can someone post pics on how to switch out springs and maintain/lube the STD LPR?

I'm working on something for you right now. I should have it up later this evening.

[CaptHowdy]

SWEET, THIS COMPANY IS AWESOME!

[live2die]

You know I have the HE bolt and when I got my LPR I switched the spring right away with the new one. I got a wild hair up my butt and put the old spring back in and they both work fine.

Question though to STD: If both springs are working which one should I use? Are there any differences in recharge or anything like that? What spring will perform better? Thank you!

[Auctionjunkie!]

The only difference between the 2 springs is the output range. The recharge and flow is the same with both springs.
Dan

[live2die]

Originally posted by Auctionjunkie!
The only difference between the 2 springs is the output range. The recharge and flow is the same with both springs.
Dan

Ok cool Thank you for the quick response...The LPR works awesome! Very Consistant!

[STD Industries]

Originally posted by CaptHowdy
Can someone post pics on how to switch out springs and maintain/lube the STD LPR?


Hot off the press, our new Maintenance Documentation (http://www.stdindustry.com/documents/JLFSmaint.pdf).

[CaptHowdy]

Looks nice, when I went to unscrew my reg from the gun it unscrewd in the middle and spring oring and little valve looking thing fell out, is there anyway to get a pictoral on that?

Thanks so much, great business!

[STD Industries]

This should give you the information needed to put it back together.

Assembly Documentation (http://www.stdindustry.com/documents/JLFStechdoc.pdf)

[swolkid_76]

I love std's sense of humor, It's classic to say the least.


Originally posted by STD Industries JDS Lpr Manual
Note that these are the only user serviceable parts. Further
disassembly is not recommended and may result in some hairy knuckled foreigner showing up at your doorstep and caving in your forhead--all because you ignored our instructions and mucked up a good thing. Don’t become a statistic. Just follow our instructions, we wouldn’t
steer you wrong. Now for the legal and technical stuff...

[CaptHowdy]

Really helpful, thanks again STD

[The_Southern_Oracle]

I HAVE A STD!


well I have to admit I'm very very impressed with STD Industries, I ordered my JDS on Good Friday and it was here Monday. NOW THATS SERVICE :D!! and with all the documenation that you guys just posted I have one sweet running FS!!!!

KEEP UP THE EXCELLENT WORK GUYS!!!!



ps any update on the HPR?

[model98outlaw]

This past saturday I noticed I couldn't get more than about 11-13 bps with my freestyle. I reset the STD LPR atleast 2 times, relubed everything, changed the batteries, etc. I also have the new spring for my LPR. Today I switched back to stock LPR, set it in the same fashion as the STD, and it shoots way faster. Whats wrong?

[live2die]

Originally posted by model98outlaw
This past saturday I noticed I couldn't get more than about 11-13 bps with my freestyle. I reset the STD LPR atleast 2 times, relubed everything, changed the batteries, etc. I also have the new spring for my LPR. Today I switched back to stock LPR, set it in the same fashion as the STD, and it shoots way faster. Whats wrong?

I think I might be experiencing the same problem. When I had my stock LPR on the gun it shot faster....

[THEBETTERONE]

I can't use the poppet spring in my gun, or else it doesn't cycle fast enough, I don't think its a JDS problem though. The light spring goes high enough to bleed the noid.

Weird thing is, the gun worked great for a while, then started cycling slow, took the poppet spring out and now it cycles good, but my efficiency is down i think

change o-rings maybe?

[STD Industries]

Strange. Are you backing the reg off a quarter turn after you reach the point where solenoid bleeds off? If so, you may be dropping the pressure too much. Try backing it off a bit less. You don't have to turn the JDS much to adjust the pressure.

You might want to try reducing the output pressure of your HPR. I don't know if that'll do anything, but it's worth a try.

I'm assuming the gun isn't cycling sluggishly?

[live2die]

Im going to mess with all my reg setting tonight over a chrono. I let you know what I find out.

[THEBETTERONE]

yeah, I've tried backing it off just a little, I'll try it again

I've had the Hpr low and high, It happened first when I played airball indoor, i didn't notice anything at the chrono, but when i went to rip on it, it was going about 6 bps max.

I took the spring out the next day, worked fine, tried the gun at the same settings worked fine.

wouldn't work at a higher pressure with the spring the next week either

the fps is consistant if i shoot really slow, the bolt just resets really sloooow when the spring is in.

[live2die]

Yeah I noticed this past weekend when I was playing that when I had the gun dialed in the ROF suffered. Im going to put my stock LPR back on tonight and see if it shoots better. Ill let you guys know what I find tonight.

[STD Industries]

Originally posted by THEBETTERONE
I can't use the poppet spring in my gun...

My eyes must be tired from looking at this screen all day. What spring are you referring to? I'm looking at the Freestyle manual and don't see a poppet spring.

[THEBETTERONE]

I think thats what its called anyway, its the spring in the very back of the backblock


http://img199.exs.cx/img199/7065/dsc012100qr.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

[live2die]

So you took that spring out and it cycled faster? Did you leave all the other pieces in the bolt assembly?

[THEBETTERONE]

Originally posted by live2die
So you took that spring out and it cycled faster? Did you leave all the other pieces in the bolt assembly?

yes and yes

[live2die]

Originally posted by THEBETTERONE
yes and yes

Ill try out your theory later tonight also. I owned a gen 1 bolt and the thing rocked! Im not a big fan of this new HE bolt it doesnt shoot as well as the old bolt and mine isnt very much more efficient than my old one. Also the HE has more kick it seems and the older bolt cycled faster!! Im kind of wishing I had the gen 1.

[THEBETTERONE]

I have two freestyles, both are gen 1's. One has HE, the other has the normal, yeah the normal one shoots better, kicks less, is quieter, and the HE isn't that much better on efficiency(at least mine anyway)

[Lawbringer]

with all of the problems you would think someone else will make a better bolt. *cough* Evolve *cough*

[Play4therush]

I'm gonna try using a lighter spring on the HE bolt??

[THEBETTERONE]

I think I'll have to make my own lighter spring

[swolkid_76]

Originally posted by Lawbringer
with all of the problems you would think someone else will make a better bolt. *cough* Evolve *cough*


*cough* STD *cough*

[live2die]

Hey STD and THEBETTERONE you guys might want to look at this thread.

http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=920500

[money21]

i got my std today, nice and fast with the shipping! looks cool, cant wait to play around with it.

[Leoman69]

Does anybody know how many pieces for anno the STD is considered?

[live2die]

Looks like 3 to me but it all depends on how the anodizer counts pieces. Some anodizers will count the LPR as one piece and others will count it as 3

[STD Industries]

Originally posted by Leoman69
Does anybody know how many pieces for anno the STD is considered?

There are three external parts that can be anodized.

[Leoman69]

Damn, gonna raise the price of this anno lol, My FS will be the first (I think) spiderman FS lol

[d34d1]

crap i gues i wont be getting the std lpr now that theres problems with speed from the he bolt i just got an he botl put in my gun dam

[THEBETTERONE]

Originally posted by d34d1
crap i gues i wont be getting the std lpr now that theres problems with speed from the he bolt i just got an he botl put in my gun dam

it isn't neccessarily a problem with the JDS, I wouldn't let that discourage you.

[live2die]

My JDS now seems to work very well...MY gun is shooting fast once again. WEIRD!

[THEBETTERONE]

Originally posted by live2die
My JDS now seems to work very well...MY gun is shooting fast once again. WEIRD!

is that with or without the poppet return spring being in the backblock?

[live2die2625]

Thats with the poppet spring back in. I havent chronoed the gun yet but it was shooting paint pretty fast.

The damn thing is still super in-efficient!

[live2die2625]

Hey STD I finally got your e-mail.

MY electroland account isnt working. I replyed to you using my proraptor@gmail.com account. Let me know so I can ship my marker out to you guys ASAP. Thanks

[C0lin is AGG]

You have to send them your gun just to put the LPR on?

[live2die2625]

Originally posted by C0lin is AGG
You have to send them your gun just to put the LPR on?

No they want to look into the problems I have been having with my gun as a whole. (HE bolt)

[C0lin is AGG]

Oh true... when I buy it I'm going to do the same cuz I'm having probs with my HE bolt.

[live2die2625]

They dont take guns from people for fixing. They just want to look at it and try to figure out what the problem is.

[C0lin is AGG]

What ever as long as it's free lol

[gibson84]

got my LPR today, im impressed w ith it, love the design, looks solid, i can tell its good by lookin in it.

i ran my tank out of air, and when i was low on pressure it leaked out of the front of the reg, is this normal? also a puff of air vents out of the front of it when i gas up, it works fine but i just wanna make sure thats normal, or i need to check some seals

[live2die2625]

When I first got my LPR its didnt leak out of the front but now it does...I was wondering the same thing

[Play4therush]

yea and ever since I got mine My bolt sticks forward, ive tried every setting, and relubed it. replaced every o-ring on the gun and re-lubed and still same problem , i have to take off the barel and push the bolt back with finger.

[STD Industries]

Originally posted by gibson84
got my LPR today, im impressed w ith it, love the design, looks solid, i can tell its good by lookin in it.

i ran my tank out of air, and when i was low on pressure it leaked out of the front of the reg, is this normal? also a puff of air vents out of the front of it when i gas up, it works fine but i just wanna make sure thats normal, or i need to check some seals

I wouldn't worry about it.

[STD Industries]

Originally posted by Play4therush
yea and ever since I got mine My bolt sticks forward, ive tried every setting, and relubed it. replaced every o-ring on the gun and re-lubed and still same problem , i have to take off the barel and push the bolt back with finger.

Does the gun cycle properly?

[money21]

^^ Do you have the HE bolt?? if so you should try the other spring or whatever...maybe thats it, just a guess

[The_Southern_Oracle]

Originally posted by gibson84

i ran my tank out of air, and when i was low on pressure it leaked out of the front of the reg, is this normal? also a puff of air vents out of the front of it when i gas up, it works fine but i just wanna make sure thats normal, or i need to check some seals


me too!


Originally posted by STD Industries


I wouldn't worry about it.


care to explain?

cause' im having a helluva time trying to get this dialed in and working right.

[model98outlaw]

STD, do you sell o-ring kits for the JDS?

[Play4therush]

Originally posted by STD Industries
Does the gun cycle properly?
I do have the HE bolt.
It cycles ok but when fire fast the bolt stick's forward.
i've tried the other spring and thing's were worse. everything is lubed and all new o-ring's, ive shot about 6 botles of air through it and still does it.
i've tried setting the lpr just past cocking, middle and just below leaking from noid, and still does it.
And when the bolt sticks forward it doesnt loose air but will fire like its shooting but no bolt movement. and the bolt is blocking the feed tube.

[Pressure-Jeff]

make sure u screwed in the delrin tip all the way

[gibson84]

if its fireing, the bolt is moving.. you just can see that it is... make sure everything is lubed up, and make sure you have the HE spring in it,

[shivermetimbers]

Were can i find STD LPRs for 04 BKO?
what is std's site??... if they got one

[d34d1]

they dont make them unless the freestyle ones fit work with the bko

[shivermetimbers]

whats lpr should get 4
2004 bko
zentriam-MRA or vaporworks-MFA
or what other lprs could i get that are good?

[gibson84]

ask this in the BKO section, not the freestyle section this is about STD lpr's

[mulletmadness]

I just bought a NIB jds lpr, and when I aired it up, I had a huge leak out of the front. I opened it up and it appears that an oring has partially slipped out of that metal black piece on the inside, so it can't seal...Could I fix this myself, and does that black metal piece in the center come out easily, or should I just send it in?

[gibson84]

thats the reg piston, comes out easy just find out what size oring it is and replace it, or maybe you can use the same one, just needs alittle lube / adjusting

[STD Industries]

Originally posted by mulletmadness
I just bought a NIB jds lpr, and when I aired it up, I had a huge leak out of the front. I opened it up and it appears that an oring has partially slipped out of that metal black piece on the inside, so it can't seal...Could I fix this myself, and does that black metal piece in the center come out easily, or should I just send it in?

Check out this link (http://www.stdindustry.com/documents/JDSfreestyleTS.pdf) and read the first problem/solution. That will show you how to remove the main piston (that metal black piece). If the o-ring's damaged, you can replace it with a -014 Buna o-ring.

[justaddwada]

I sent my gun to ICD to get the HE bolt and I shipped it with the STD on it. There is like a fee if you send it in and it has all kinds of other stuff on the gun. I am wondering... the STD package says it is the only lpr approved by ICD or whatever... so am I going to get a fine for shipping with the STD instead of the stock one?

[Play4therush]

WHY NOT JUST SEND IN THE BACK BLOCK???
as for the lpr being on it your fine..


But I dont like the jds just bolt sticking forward suck's.
I have to remove the barrel and push it back with finger.

[kwik]

sounds like it is adjusted wrong

[Harbinger[TG]]

bolt sticking forward????

[dragtheOne]

Play4therush are you using x-rings, if so maybe you should go back to using regular orings because x-rings seem to cause more friction. also, when you have no air in your gun and push the bolt back, does it spring back forward? maybe your spring is too strong. theres no lube on your power tube, right?

[Play4therush]

yea when I push the bolt back with my finger with no air on it still pushes forwards about half way into the breech or so. And yes using x-ring's, and only lube the o-ring's.

[THEBETTERONE]

is there much benefit from the X-rings?

[justaddwada]

i had the same problem when i got my gun back from icd with the HE bolt

install the harder spring and re adjust the regs and your gun will work perfectly again.

[raydog10]

thats not a problem, because a soon as you put on the air the bolt goes all the way back and is ready for shooting. The bolt beeing pushed forward is done intentionally so that nothing falls in the chamber and stays there if your not using the gun. It was a cool design idea. Dont Worry be Happy ;)

[Play4therush]

ok nice thanks,,, I also just bought a gladiator reg from kia 83 for my HPR.