Chopping balls with a Rebel???

[Primal]

Well, I plan on purchasing a Rebel for my first marker. It sounds like avery reliable gun for the price, however I do hear that it chops balls. Im not up with the terminology so could someone please explain it to me, and how to help prevent it?

Thanks in advance

[LBujan]

MY first marker was a rebel extreme, though sometimes I wish I had bought a standard rebel and bought upgrades to it...anyways, I have barely chopped any balls on mine, but I have. Chopping balls is when the bolt hits the ball before fully getting in the right position thus exploding the ball in the chamber before reaching the barrel, so it "chops" the ball it's pretty annoying to clean the mess it leaves but has happened to me just under this circumstances:
Under fast fire using a gravitiy loader while hitting it :P > they wouldn't feed on time or properly so the ball was chopped.
Under fast fire using a 12v revy off :blush: > same as before.
Using bad paint > it didn't stand the pressure, it was in bad shape. Gave barrel breaks as well.

A friend who liked my rebel bought one in black, he hasn't chopped but he doesn't shoot fast. He has outshoot his gravitiy loader just a couple of times, they just get stuck so you have to hit it.

Some people might confuse choping balls with ball breaks. That has nothing to do with the marker, it's the barrel and the type of ball u use. Good paint barely breaks on a good barrel matching the size properly.

Hope this helps.

[redmonster13]

The last entry was correct in assuming that is was because of the loader that was causing the chopped balls. The best way to fix this is to buy a revolution or one of the other agitation loaders. That is the easiest way to fix the problem.


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[LBujan]

BTW: about getting the rebel, I don't know what have you decided but from my point of view (I have a rebel X btw)
-Rebel with out bottomline
-X-core Psychoballistics Xchamber
-Psycho ballistics Drop forward
-Macroline kit.
later you can buy a Bob Long Delring Bolt.
you can find that stuff at countypaintball.com, top customer service I always buy my stuff there....

now, if you can put your hands in one of those new rebels with .45 frame it's better 'cuz you can buy dye stickies or the 32* grips (same as stickies I think)

The reason I don't really recommend a Rebel X, it's becuase looks should be second, and I though the Rebel X came with an xchamber (but it's not, just a gas through grip) and the Drop Forward from factory (too short), the bypass system (they call it"regulator" but it's not) is a nice thing but it's not bigdeal.

With the other stuff your rebel will work better than any stock rebel at a lower price.
Cheers

[Primal]

Thanks a lot for the help. I really appreciate it

[Rygar]

tst

[eagleeyes]

reasons for chopping in a rebel:

1 - you are firing too fast with a rebel. rebels arent made for fast firing. angels and autocockers would best suit you.

2 - the paint only made it halfway into the chamber by the time you pulled the trigger. get an impulse, this gun uses laser devices to disallow firing without a paintball entirely in the chamber. impulse "vision" is the name of the gun, it will never chop paint. guarranteed.

3 - another reason would be your hopper not keeping up with the gun at the rate of feed. get a revolution or ricochet hopper. they force feed paint into the gun using spinny parts in the hopper powered by a laser to make sure that paint is always where it is needed.

4 - another reason is bad paint. this problem shouldnt exist because this paint should never be put in the gun or hopper in the first place. always check your paint first! make sure it isnt discolored = weak in that area, bulging on any part of the surface or dented, or already broken.

[spud majic]

ever since i got a revy, installed intellifeed, and made my rebel antichop i have not had a ball get pinched or chopped. i can shoot about 10-12bps constant tops. and soon its getting an electro handle...no more tired cramped fingers!!!

[cs_shoota]

get a tippmann 98c man it is better!!

[wild fire]

i will sell u a rebel with ups and a 20oz tank
email me at acewing767@aol.com

[JonathanW]

Yep I've had many bad experiences with rebels, very poorly made cheap guns (LOL). Anyway, A spyder is much more reliable and respectable than a Rebel, yep no doubt. I'd even go to say that a lot of brass eagle semis are more reliable than most Rebels, Yep, no doubt about that. Rebels are spyder knock offs, uninspired and unoriginal. Oh did i mention they suck yet?


:crash: <---- Yep, instead of smashing that PC he should be smashing a rebel marker.

[p8ntboy87]

I think it all depends on how you use and abuse the marker, wether you clean it properly or not. It also depends on what parts/upgrades you have on the gun....that's just my 2cence

[JonathanW]

wrong,wrong,wrong. Both different rebels out of the box had many problems. No abuse involved.

[p8ntboy87]

I agree that there were problems, mine were minor, but they did kinda annoy me...*such as a horrible cup seal and some bad orings*... but i've fixed my problems and the gun is working good now....

[JonathanW]

Oh whatever... do you know how it feels to have a gun replaced by 32 degrees and later found out that exact gun (Rebel LE) wasnt on the market for too long because they made the vertical feed too small. That's just ridiculous. Balls get stuck in the vert feed. Lame.

[Rezguise]

Originally posted by JonathanW
Yep I've had many bad experiences with rebels, very poorly made cheap guns (LOL). Anyway, A spyder is much more reliable and respectable than a Rebel, yep no doubt. I'd even go to say that a lot of brass eagle semis are more reliable than most Rebels, Yep, no doubt about that. Rebels are spyder knock offs, uninspired and unoriginal. Oh did i mention they suck yet?


:crash: <---- Yep, instead of smashing that PC he should be smashing a rebel marker.

Originally posted by cs_shoota
get a tippmann 98c man it is better!!


took the words right outta my mouth

[I_like_welts]

Although I don't have too much experience with a ll of these guns, i believe most blow-backs are teh same or similar. Namely Piranha, Spyder, and Rebels.

[JonathanW]

similar design, but some are definately made with cheaper parts and less care! (rebels)

[I_like_welts]

Watch out, your in their territory; they might just form a mob and hunt your sorry little sign-in name down. Lol theat would be the day.

I like: (1) ACI - F4 (2) PMI - Piranhas (3) M3 - Black Dragun (4) Kingman - Spyder (5) 32* - Rebel not the Silver Mullet or the "ICON" bleh.
Well there's quite a tie between the ACI and the PMI

[JonathanW]

*giggles like a girl* a mob of rebel owners? (takes it out his 2000 cocker that he recently got) rat-tat-tat-tat (watches as he marks most of the mob and others are declogging their barrels and wondering why their guns wont recock.) :) :) :)

[I_like_welts]

That was rather fast, just like a cocker. Though I have yet to shoot a cocker:blush:

[JonathanW]

Well you should shoot a cocker. They are about 1000 times as ill as any spyder or spyder knock off (rebels for example). :)

[Dapam]

I thought this thread was about chopping balls with Rebel. Not arguing which marker is better than another. But I have to say, that spyders (at least older ones) are / were very poorly made, especially bodies ( I've own my first spyder 6 or 7 years ago). The best quality low price blowback marker, that I know is Belsales Inferno. And now little more whining :D.

Now I own Automag (with heavy mods), Inferno T3 and Rebel 02 E (or whatever the name was). At least my Rebel is working extremely well (as good as my inferno) and is freking fast because of e-frame. Stock parts in Rebel 02 can be pretty bad, but you can get upgrades very easily and they are cheap. Or you can just modify them by yourself. I have in my Rebel a top-cocking delrun bolt by 32 (was venturi, now is free flow), modified stock valve / valve pin (also own magnaport valve), polished hammer, air passages drilled etc. Now balls come out at 290 fps, when pressure is about 250 psi and blowback / recoil is lighter than my Mag's. And Rebel 02 with top-cocking bolt is much easier to field strip than any spyder (Kingman hasn't yet understood the true meaning of field-stripping). I've own different kind of markers for over 6 years, so I know what I'm talking about.

And now back in business. I've shot about three cases of paint thrue my Rebel and had 2 chopps. So lowering you operating pressure can help you in chopping problems. But first I succest, that buy a good hopper. I use Rico, which works extremely well. And clean your marker well after every day of use. I usually wash all the parts and dry them after day of playing (it's aluminium, won't rust). And remember to lube your Rebel well, especially hammer and valve. Hope this will help you Primal.

[JonathanW]

I dunno, its weird for me, its like after using somewhat high end markers (stock cockers) I dont feel like wasting my time with spyders, rebels, tippmans or anything else. I feel like it would be taking a step back in my paintball career, kind of like, say if a famous hockey player like Joe Sakic were to throw away his 300 dollar easton stick and use a 10 dollar wal mart stick. I hope to buy another black dragun as a backup, simply because they rock for the price. This is just how I feel, and I'm sure i'll buy goofy guns just as backups or lenders but, like I said, after shooting higher end guns you just dont feel like going back simply becasue sometimes your marker is your status :)

[Dapam]

Of course I would also buy GZ Timmy or something else, if I had money just to be thrown away. But even if Mag's are considered high-end guns, I don't prefer my Mag over my Rebel. And of course Cockers are good and reliable markers when timed and maintained correctly. But I think, that to get a Cocker to a high-end, fast shooting marker, you have to upgrade it a lot and spend all your money to be able to do that (freakin' expensive). But has anyone ever said, that serious paintball is for poor people ;) ?

So my point is, that you can get your blowback marker to be as tournament capable for example as a Cocker or a Mag and sadly blowbacks are quite often more reliable than those two. Believe me, I know. That's my final word, at least I hope so...

[JonathanW]

*sigh* everything fun in life costs too much doesnt it? Some say the best things in life are free but lets take sex for example, in order to get it you have to usually harbor a relationship that takes money and time! lol.... im babbling. But I agree, shoot what you can, take Paintball anyway you can get it and have fun . Grow the sport together ! :) long live paintball....


Peace.

[Dapam]

Yep, nothing fun is free anymore, not even sex. All the money I've spent because of girls... :( . The most important think is playing, not the gears you have at least when beginning with the sport. Hope Primal has now all the information, he (or she) needs.

[UltimateSniper]

A rebel all stock sucks i must agree. but if you put the right upgrades into it could be a good marker. i have one and i have alot of upgrades and its good not the best but not horrible. and yes they do chop balls but that only happens if there if bad paint or your firing to fast for the marker.
:crash:

[Mattfr]

A way to prevent your marker from chopping paintballs is by simply getting a loader that can keep up with the rate of fire your gun is capible of... I would suggest getting a 12v rev For a rebel it should help prevent that problem....

[No_doz]

dont buy macroline, buy steel braided hose, macrolines can crack and explode open, very unsafe. also on rebels there bolts sux (in my opinion) so if u bought a decent bolt/fast loader/new barrel, then u should be fine (use decent paint too)

[frank-n-pulse]

first of all, macro line is safe it only blows up when your Co2 spikes over 1000 psi, or your comp air tank does the same thing.

Second, if your having major chopage, try a eggII or halo b since these will feed in the 15-22 bps range. Which will keep up with even a viking or matrix. Another option would be to simply upgrade your gun to something less problematic such as a used impulse, cocker, spyder, timmy. I suggest all of these since you can buy Jam anti chop bolts for them.

BTW for anyone that cares, i have played with all kinds of markers, everything from a stock tippman, spyder, impulse, matrix, cocker, mag, viking and excalibur. So yeah u can say i kinda have a good feel for the differnt problems each has.

[JonathanW]

yeah this thread started 3-15 of 2002, i'm pretty sure he's in the clear about it now. lol x 1000.

[Macanudo]

But I agree, shoot what you can, take Paintball anyway you can get it and have fun . Grow the sport together ! long live paintball....

Dude ur the biggest lier check him out in the BE forums he flames them all day, don't listen to this dick. O yea a stock cocker is not fast unless its a stock e-orracle.

[JonathanW]

that was me a year ago you little ****

[Macanudo]

Well you were a hell of alot cooler then. Too bad u got ur imp and now u think ur so wonderful. Some people in the BE forum are really good ballers that don't have BE guns or just own one and not as their primary. I guess you don't realize wut a fool of urself ur making. I got an idea, do this and I will never argue with u again. Go into the WDP forum and do one of ur BE SUCKS threads in their and see wut happens. Thats my deal.