Fight At World Cup [Archive]

can'tthink of1

11-02-2003, 09:10 PM

I thought that was odd, never seen that before. It seemed like later the camera man and ref were both apologizing , that ref had no reason to try to grab the mans camera but then the camera man took too much offence to that and all hell broke loose. So much anger... I wonder what the ref wanted with the camera man?

PBguy889

11-02-2003, 09:17 PM

he was probably telling him that he was in the way but idk.

BoB469

11-02-2003, 09:49 PM

can'tthink of1 and PBguy889 that was no reff...that was Lane Wright of the PSP

Ph0

11-02-2003, 10:55 PM

hahahahahahahahahahaha

squirrels

11-02-2003, 10:57 PM

i support the camera dude, wish he coulda pounded the life outta the ref.

manike

11-03-2003, 05:50 AM

The cameraman shouldn't have been on the field. He was told he wasn't allowed and warned previously.

The rights to film X-ball are sold exclusively so you can't just walk up and start filming on field without permission. That camera man had been denied permission.

Also when filming or takeing photo's of X-ball you are not allowed onto the field.

The cameraman was in the wrong and he knew he was in the wrong. He shouldn't have been there.

VApaintballer400

11-03-2003, 07:36 AM

haha

Spyder6969

11-03-2003, 10:14 AM

wow thats funny stuff

DJ Knox

11-03-2003, 03:17 PM

yeah there is also a thread in PB Talk about this with some other's people's info about it.

Etern4l

11-03-2003, 05:39 PM

noo the link doesnt work for me :(

satanstinydevil

11-03-2003, 05:57 PM

why wont the link work?

Reaper22

11-03-2003, 09:01 PM

Originally posted by Etern4l
noo the link doesnt work for me :(

me neather:(

Civilian Of

11-03-2003, 09:11 PM

same here.. went to the index and its not listed..

pballshockerguy

11-03-2003, 09:55 PM

720 took it off the site, said it was to violent or something like that

MoogLe

11-03-2003, 09:56 PM

noooo!!! SOMEONE HOST IT!!!

XxstevexX

11-04-2003, 12:16 AM

I believe iwhen 720 releases there world cup 03 video its gonna be on there!!!!!!!!!

DJ Knox

11-04-2003, 06:29 AM

yeah, 720 took it off, maybe at the request of psp or something. But some people might put it on kazaa or host it somewhere else.

NoElIsCoOl

11-04-2003, 06:37 AM

Originally posted by Meph
Bah, I was hoping for something as good as what I got to see in Jersey!

I think that was better than what happened in jersey. I didnt see any punches thrown between the dogs and ton tons.

theunknown1

11-04-2003, 10:16 AM

720 said that it wouldnt be on the cup video....that they were going to replace it with the New line of V-Force masks or something like that.....heres a thread that a 720 member stated on http://www.flagstation.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=2&t=8434&st=0 he talks more about it on page 2 also.....
Les

H-Town

11-04-2003, 11:01 AM

lane walked up to this guy who had been filming the entire xball matches that day without a problem. Lane walks up and tell the guy to leave and before the guiy has time to respond Lane rips his camera out of his hand. Lane deserved to get the **** beat out of him. Whether he belonged on the field or not, Lane was powertripping and got what he deserved.

manike

11-04-2003, 11:05 AM

Rubbish. You can clearly see that Lane laid down to talk to him and ask him to move. The guy wouldn't.

It was only after a while that Lane got up and tried to take the guys camera, then the guy threw a punch.

The Cameraman was in the wrong and should have just gotten out of there.

It's common knowledge with the people filming and taking pictures that you have to have permission to film X-ball and even then that you have to stay off the field. :rolleyes:

H-Town

11-04-2003, 11:08 AM

i only know people on the team and heard the account from refs on the feild and teammates of the player first hand. Lane looks like hes a gardner brother.

manike

11-04-2003, 11:18 AM

Which team?

I'm good friends with several players on Texas storm and they talked me through it in detail right after the match finished and how it affected the game.

I also know Lane and play on the same team as people who were filming it for 720 paintball... I heard accounts of it from many sources and immediately after it happened since I was at the World Cup... :D

CutOut21

11-04-2003, 03:26 PM

does anyone have a copy that they could host? if someone could get me a copy i'll keep it up in my aim account.

donut989

11-06-2003, 10:56 AM

I can host the video if someone has it saved on their computer let me know, I can do it.

JakeyPoo

11-06-2003, 12:45 PM

I wanna see this! :|

lopxtc

11-06-2003, 01:02 PM

I saved the clip onto my machine at home ... if anyone wants to host it send me an email at lopxtc@hotmail.com and I will email you the clip (or ftp it if you prefer) tonight when I get home.

Aaron

donut989

11-06-2003, 04:33 PM

Folks the video will be hosted on www.pbtown.com later tonight thanks to lopxtc.

Harbinger[TG]

11-06-2003, 10:35 PM

Fantastic
Id like to thank 720 and whomever provided and hosted this

ditangquan

11-06-2003, 10:49 PM

pretty lame if you ask me.

The refs obviously aren't controlling who is on their field, don't know how to handle the situation after the fact, and completely throw the game into chaos.

The refs suck. Get them some training. They need to control what's going on and who's on the field, not cause idiotic messes like this. What's next? Jeremy Salm hiding in the snake? sheesh! :D

donut989

11-06-2003, 10:57 PM

Yeah, I wanna know how he was there to begin with. How do you miss him?

Cobra_Clark

11-07-2003, 02:13 AM

losers

sniper12fear

11-07-2003, 02:50 AM

yeah how did the guy get there in the first place.....but the ref should have just let him finish filming and ask him about it after the game instead of interrupting the game..........but for me I think the ref should take classes and grapple his arse right there and make him tap.:D extra side show for your money. hehehehe:D :D

DJ Knox

11-07-2003, 06:25 AM

thats great lol, as soon as the camera was touched, he put his dukes up

HypershockerU2

11-07-2003, 08:24 AM

Wow, you have to have permission to film Xball? Is that the growth of the sport they're talking about, political BS, and Corporate greed? Sounds like a step in the right direction.

MoogLe

11-07-2003, 08:37 AM

hahah that was great, thank god somebody finally rehosted it

lopxtc

11-07-2003, 10:00 AM

Glad I saved it to my hard disk before it got removed :)

Aaron

Trance.Evil

11-07-2003, 11:31 AM

thanks for rehosting

HypershockerU2

11-07-2003, 03:26 PM

I saved it to my Shared Kazaa.

impdomination

11-07-2003, 03:39 PM

that was a pretty lame fight it was like all of 2 seconds and then it was just a pile up so the camera guy wouldnt get shot in the face.

-P.-:rolleyes:

HypershockerU2

11-07-2003, 03:54 PM

yeah looked like a lot of hugging.

CHuNKeEMuNKeE

11-07-2003, 06:17 PM

It looks to me like the camera man had it coming. He was asked twice.

HypershockerU2

11-07-2003, 06:26 PM

I agree he shouldn't be on the field, other than that free country.

Challe

11-07-2003, 08:40 PM

hahaha! Kick that guys ***! yes whoop it! And look at that guys mom and dad coming to the rescue , protecting him. :) j/k

sniper12fear

11-07-2003, 08:55 PM

As I was watching the fight the ref did tap............the Cameraman had him on the side choke. It was a double leg sweep by the ref but the Cameraman reversed it and was trying a knee to belly for 2 points but decided to finish him with a side choke, and if you look closely he was using his chin to irrritate him and finish him off.
FLAWLESS VICTORY...........EXCELLENT Paaaaaiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnntttttballl Koooooommmmmbat..hehehehehe:D

impdomination

11-07-2003, 11:06 PM

As I was watching the fight the ref did tap............the Cameraman had him on the side choke. It was a double leg sweep by the ref but the Cameraman reversed it and was trying a knee to belly for 2 points but decided to finish him with a side choke, and if you look closely he was using his chin to irrritate him and finish him off.

i like your description of the fight. Makes it seem much more dramatic than it actually was. You should be a writer or something

Trix4UrMom

11-08-2003, 10:49 AM

Wow you guys who say this was a awesome thing, YOUR LAME, this isnt helping the sport grow anymore than before. Its only hurting the sport

RamDragon

11-08-2003, 11:46 AM

"He was wrong" "No, the other guy was wrong."

You are all in agreement that neither of them was fully in the right. Even if you disagree as to who was fully in the wrong.

The fact is that they were both wrong. The ref (I just watched this a few times to make sure I saw what I though I saw) asked the guy to leave the field, got up to wave him off and was suppressed that he didn't go. The ref GAVE HIM ANOTHER CHANCE! I wouldn't have, personally, but I'm a royal jerk. The ref then (you can't hear the conversation, but you can see this) grabbed the camera. That is assault.

Whether or not the cameraman had permission to be on the field, you cannot grab a cameraman's camera. You see it on the new all the time, but notice that it always causes problems for the person who grabbed the camera.

If the cameraman was in his legal right to be on the field, and was being removed by a ref for whatever reason 1) he should have moved. Period. 2) He should not have taken the first swing at the ref. It landed pretty hard, and were I in the ref's shoes, there would not be much between the cameraman and his camera that you could tell apart.

So the ref (perhaps inadvertently) assaulted the cameraguy, and the cameraguy (totally on purpose) assaulted him back. It wasn't self-defense, it was asault. Who started it is irrelevant.

MoogLe

11-08-2003, 12:04 PM

If the cameraman was in his legal right to be on the field

well that's just it, he had no right to be on the field, so the ref had every right to pull him off the field

RamDragon

11-08-2003, 12:18 PM

The ref had every right to bodily remove him, but the ref had no right to grab the camera. That's the difference between reffing and assault.

Whether or not the guy had permission.

My opinion is that he camera guy was very much in the wrong and would not have seen so much latitude if I were that ref. But the ref was wrong to grab the camera, too.

lopxtc

11-08-2003, 01:37 PM

But in assualt cases such as this the person is only allowed to respond back in a manner that would get their property back. ie grab the camera itself, or move to block the arm/hands of the person grabbing the camera. They are not allowed to make physical contact aggressivly with the other person since action was directed againt property not person. This guy struck out against the refs person ... this is also why on the news you dont see the camera people strike back against people pushing or grabbing at their cameras ... only trying to avoid them.

Its a very fine line, which the camera man crossed.

Aaron

RamDragon

11-08-2003, 01:43 PM

Exactly.

Like I said before, the cameraman did not act in self defence. He did, after all, throw the first punch.

You're right.

HypershockerU2

11-08-2003, 02:10 PM

Ref should have just pissed on him.:tup:

afewloosescrews

11-08-2003, 03:26 PM

Originally posted by Trix4UrMom
Wow you guys who say this was a awesome thing, YOUR LAME, this isnt helping the sport grow anymore than before. Its only hurting the sport

I think Paintball is more awesome because of it. Fights help sports a lot... who would watch hockey if there was no fighting... seriously?

impdomination

11-08-2003, 04:17 PM

I think Paintball is more awesome because of it. Fights help sports a lot... who would watch hockey if there was no fighting... seriously?

Well, in hockey, fights are allowed, the players get penalized but they are allowed to fight until one of the guys falls to the ice, then the refs are to intervene and seperate them.

In paintball is fighting allowed?
NO!

Yes, people do like to see fights, its part of human nature, but its not helping the sport. People already have a bad image of paintball. When people realize that two people that werent even part of the game started fighting, i personally dont think thats going to help it at all.

just my opinion.

crazyj23

11-08-2003, 05:31 PM

heck, if somebodies gonna try taking something of mine, whether(sp?) it's a $1000, a $1000 paintball gun or $1000 camera, I'm not gonna just let them take it, I'll defend myself and property if need be like the camera man did....they should have just waited until the match was over and taken care of it then, taken his film/erased the images, whatever, but to physically go after him under those circumstances is just stupid

Cougar

11-08-2003, 06:12 PM

i like how the other two guys kept it from escalating...just pile on the fools and noone is going anywhere. Kinda lame how the whole game got stopped...he should've dealt with him about the game was over.

paintballer67

11-08-2003, 07:00 PM

whats the exact title of the movie... i looked on kazaa but i dont see any titles that resembles the world cup fight

donut989

11-08-2003, 07:09 PM

www.pbtown.com hosts it on their site.

CobraCutterPB

11-08-2003, 11:37 PM

the cameraguy had no place being there. He told himt o leave and he didnt. Should have beat the **** outa the camera guy for not listning. Dont give me this assult bs, if someone is in my house and wont leave. His *** is either going to the hospital or the mourge. Simple as that. Camera guy got it lucky someone with more balls wasnt trying to take that camera away. But i give credit to Lane for goin in there and trying to get him out.

crazyj23

11-08-2003, 11:46 PM

Originally posted by CobraCutterPB
the cameraguy had no place being there. He told himt o leave and he didnt. Should have beat the F.u..c.k outa the camera guy for not listning. Dont give me this assult bs, if someone is in my house and wont leave. His *** is either going to the hospital or the mourge. Simple as that. Camera guy got it lucky someone with more balls wasnt trying to take that camera away. But i give credit to Lane for goin in there and trying to get him out.
how can you seriously equate a photographer being on the field to someone treaspassing in your house? that's the most idiotic statement I've ever heard......apparently the players didn't care that he was on the field and neither did the refs, otherwise the match would have never started......yeah, give credit to a guy for making a problem out of something that could have been handled PROFESSIONALLY after the match.....yeah, the photographer shouldn't have been there, but it was handled totally innapropriately

CobraCutterPB

11-09-2003, 08:40 AM

he wasnt suposed to to there period. The PSP League people have control over the playing fields. If he would not leave then they make him leave. I cant belive what a ******* you are to give the cameraman any justification. Yes he was trespassing, and was asked to leave nicely. The ignorant camerman was lucky it turned out as it did. Xball tv footage has rights and not just anyone can film it. It like me going to a movie set and filming my own 'version' then haveing jerk offs like you saying its ok for me to be there. You seriously need to understand and think logicaly.

crazyj23

11-09-2003, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by CobraCutterPB
You seriously need to understand and think logicaly.
actually I am....I know he has no right to be there, but the idiots in charge didn't take care of it when they should have, either get it done BEFORE the match, or wait until AFTER the match, not DURING the match...it's not a matter of IF they had the right to remove him, it's about WHEN they removed him...they ruined 1 if not 2 teams tournaments by taking care of it DURING the match

CobraCutterPB

11-09-2003, 06:35 PM

well yeah they could have taken care of it before. But it was wheather or not they were aware of the guy, or knew if he was allowed there. Its pretty hectic running a tourney much less the psp world cup. So maybe they just found out.

joshembry

11-10-2003, 08:44 AM

lol......i think that camera man was trippin on some acid.

raehl

11-10-2003, 01:09 PM

You got your vid camera and hopped down onto the field of play during an NFL or MLB game?

You think security would wait for the play to be over before jumping your *** and hauling you off the field?

Of course not. They'd stop play after that play and make sure you were gone, but that's it.

- Chris

crazyj23

11-10-2003, 03:28 PM

quick question, are cameramen and the like a common occurance on paintball fields? YES. are they on the NFL? NO. do you see the difference? that has to be the most asinine comparison I've ever heard......wow, and just think, your the president of a paintball association, I guess they don't hire you for your brains...

raehl

11-10-2003, 03:50 PM

There are probably hundreds of cameramen at some athletic events, although generally of the picture and not video variety. You just never see them because 1) they have nice telephoto lenses and 2) They're smart enough to stay off the freaking field of play. Another difference is cameramen at pro-sports events are acredditted members of the press who have both considerable experience in what they're doing and considerable consequences if they interfere with play.

Try looking at the back-line of an NBA basketball court the next time a player falls out of bounds and count the number of cameramen he falls on.

Even ON PAINTBALL FIELDS, cameramen are generally not allowed ON THE FIELD OF PLAY. The guy who got thrown out at the PSP event was actually in the middle of the field taking video, not out of bounds. If you go onto the field of play in other sports you will be promptly thrown off, and if you go on the field of play in paintball you should be promptly thrown off. I don't see the difference.

Or are you seriously suggesting that any idiot with a camera should be able to sit betweeen two bunkers on the 50 and take pictures?

- Chris

crazyj23

11-10-2003, 04:28 PM

but that's the difference with paintball, cameramen have been allowed on the fields in the past and present...unlike other sports where they are strictly prohibited.....I just took another look at the video, for some reason I thought he was at the backline, not mid-field, but either way he's no more an inconvienience at that point than a ref....not once have I said he should have been there, read my other posts, I'm just saying they should have taken care of it another way

salty

11-10-2003, 04:52 PM

The cameraman was out of line no question about it.......if you want to film the game do it from the stands
not the middle of the field.
I mean a player almost ran him over, besides he threw the first punch.

atg-wgp

11-10-2003, 04:54 PM

yeah he shouldnt have been there in the first place.. its common sense....

CHuNKeEMuNKeE

11-10-2003, 11:26 PM

Crazyj, no camera man should be allowed on the field, maybe from the sidelines, BUT, not on the field.

What other way should he have handled it? Asked again politely for the third or fourth time?

crazyj23

11-10-2003, 11:35 PM

Originally posted by crazyj23
....I know he has no right to be there, but the idiots in charge didn't take care of it when they should have, either get it done BEFORE the match, or wait until AFTER the match, not DURING the match...it's not a matter of IF they had the right to remove him, it's about WHEN they removed him...they ruined 1 if not 2 teams tournaments by taking care of it DURING the match

CobraCutterPB

11-12-2003, 09:12 PM

i cant belive you are giving the cameraman any justification. He was clearly in the wrong, its simple common sense. God i was i was playin i would have bonus balled that cameraman till my hopper was dry.

crazyj23

11-12-2003, 10:43 PM

Originally posted by crazyj23
.....yeah, the photographer shouldn't have been there, but it was handled totally innapropriately
learn to read:rolleyes:

hammerhead

11-24-2003, 04:32 PM

trying to view the vid, all i got was a bunch of weird a$$ text...? what is wrong with my pc?

VampyreGTX

11-25-2003, 10:43 AM

Taking the camera was in no way assault. X-Ball is a version of pball that is more akin to other professional sports. A much more structured format (not the game itself) regarding the ability to film, broadcast, etc. the action. When you enter a stadium for a football, soccer or baseball game, you cannot in anyway take in video equipment if you do not have a press pass or belong to the studio filming the event. If you bring a video camera to your local NFL football game and start filming, it will be confiscated from you and the tape will be removed and the camera given back to you at the end of the game (if your not removed from the stadium). So when the stadium security come to take your camera are you going to attack them and accuse them with assault? No, because they have every legal right to take your camera and stop you illegal filming of the event in question. The contract entered into by X-Ball and Dick Clark Productions and other entertainment entities requires that the parties (from refs to any other employee in the corporations representing X-Ball) make every effort to ensure that no other parties film the event outside of those with permission. It's to protect the broadcasting companies investment in the event. If everyone could film sports events, it would hurt the sporting industry's ability to resell games, replays etc. in the future. The signing of the contracts to allow Dick Clark Productions exclusive rights to the filming and broadcasting of X-Ball is in my opinion a HUGE step forward in this sport and will only help legitimize the sport even more for the mainstream.

VampyreGTX

11-25-2003, 10:47 AM

And for those that say they should have waited, I feel they should not have let him on the field in the first place, how he got overlooked I don't know. However, a mistake was made and they removed him for a reason. They may not have thought of it at the time, but what if the cameraman was injured or his equipment was damaged? Since they allowed him to stay on the field, the organizers of X-Ball would have been responsible for the costs and damages since they shouldn't of allowed him on the field. It's stupid I know, but if you have a rule, and you allow someone to 'overlook' the rule and as a result someone gets injured, you are liable for the result.

sonixusa

11-25-2003, 08:50 PM

I am a photographer who shoots paintball and there is no way that he actually thought he could have been out there unless he did it prior games. The problem here is that nobody is in charge at these places. Give someone a media pass and they can stand pretty much anywhere from what I have seen.
I actually saw a photographer walk on the field during play and start taking photos of the players, skirmish USA I think. I personally couldnt believe it because ultimately there is money on the line at these events and if someone ran into her and caused either that person to get taken out or worse injure someone then these people would look like total idiots.
The media has its place and very much know where to be. People like this were trying to get the different angle and truly stepped out of line. Not only should they be removed but also they should be punished from not shooting upcoming tournys.
It is not a right it is a privledge that the PSP/NPPL are giving.

My opinion....

MeRcaNtiCo

11-26-2003, 08:00 AM

Originally posted by Meph
Bah, I was hoping for something as good as what I got to see in Jersey!

that, was great. where were u meph i was der. i was the guy carrying around the dust silver lotus freeflow.

MeRcaNtiCo

11-26-2003, 08:03 AM

Originally posted by NoElIsCoOl
I think that was better than what happened in jersey. I didnt see any punches thrown between the dogs and ton tons.

are you kidding man? the tonton guy swung at the guy and tried to get his gun and throw it down then like everyone was like all up in it trying to break it up if i remember correctly.

hey_its_vo

11-27-2003, 11:51 AM

I though it was funny that they put the ***** in his place.

kudos9

12-01-2003, 11:00 AM

xball needs one of those sky cams, the ones mounted so that you can move it around the field and follow players around. that would make for awesome footage.

by the way the camera guy is way out of line. the ref, as an official has the right to remove him and what ever equipment from the field. he was not using excessive force, ei what i've seen from other security guys.

that's right just think, if you're at a baseball game and you run onto the field, the security has everyright to chase you down and physically detain you.

and if you threw a punch at the security, that's assault

:)

all that said, too bad this LANE guy didnt know how to fight, would have been nice to see a decent boxing match

raehl

12-01-2003, 11:09 AM

I'm taller and bigger than Lane (I think everyone is ;)), but I would still make a point of avoiding getting in a fight with him.

- Chris

pballfin

12-01-2003, 03:12 PM

Right or wrong I really feel bad for the players. I would be hella pissed if I was at an event and a fight broke out and screwed up my round.

So what was the result of this fight? Fines for either guy? Did they restart that game? Does anyone know?

hey_its_vo

12-02-2003, 01:07 PM

I like that sky cam idea, that would kick ***. And the guy they removed from the field did not even have a media pass to be permitted to be in the netting, so I think the refs had every right to throw him out on his face.

Strey762

12-02-2003, 01:50 PM

lol

ECD Paintball

12-04-2003, 05:19 PM

sum1 send me the clip at ecdpaintball07@yahoo.com

skippy1234

12-04-2003, 06:04 PM

Originally posted by MeRcaNtiCo
are you kidding man? the tonton guy swung at the guy and tried to get his gun and throw it down then like everyone was like all up in it trying to break it up if i remember correctly.

yea it was great, i was in the stands like right by the ton ton dead box, i forgot who it was but he like grabed the guys cocker(and the dude did have a hit on the pneuamtics) and like tried to rip them off and showthe refs, it was funny as hell.

Gizom

12-05-2003, 09:46 PM

that is funny ish

-JP-

12-07-2003, 01:15 PM

rage vs. robbo was a lot more entertaining =\

ryguy0087

12-07-2003, 04:23 PM

ryguy0087

12-07-2003, 04:26 PM

that was a crappy fight. if i was there id let em duke it out a few mintues. If someone tried to take the camera from me my instant reaction would be to get up and swing at them.
Lane was in the right though. I watched the video serveral times and it looks as if he asks him to get off the field and he doesnt respond, so he trys to take the camera from him.
The main reason that Lane did that was because the guy wasnt allowed on the field. Yeah in other sports they have tons of cameramen. One, they have special passes and they are allowed to, and two they arnt running the risk of being shot. Im sure the camera men have to sign some kind of liablility form in case they get shot or hurt when they are filming.
The second reason he wasnt allowed there is becuase of money. They are going to be releasing a video of all this. They wouldnt be making any money off of it if everyone has already seen it all for free. Its all about money for them.

heres a link in case anyone else wants to watch this video again.
http://www.pbtown.com/Rogue_Video.wmv

ryguy0087

12-07-2003, 04:27 PM

srry bout the first post*accidently pressed submit :(

AJ2271

12-30-2003, 11:18 PM

One thought would be to have a media "guidelines" sheet that you have to read and sign before you are issued your credential. That will give some direction to the "newbie" media members out there on the do's and dont's of coverage. If you dis-obey the "guidelines", you may be forced to surrender you credential and be removed from the field. It's like that at all of the "pro" sports (baseball, football, etc).