What is the Deal with this guN!

[BM2K_MAYHEM]

Alright I sit here wondering if I understand the point of smart parts doing what they are doing at all. What the hell is this nerve thing and how is it better than a shocker? It dosnt say anything about its performance. And to me it looks exactly the same as the new shocker anyway, whats the poin? can someone, maybe a smart parts sponsored player give me the uh 411 as you can say on this.

[Ov3rmind]

Exactly the same as a Shocker? Did you fail to see that the Shocker is a 1-tube stack while the Nerve is a 2-tube stack? This likely indicates that they function totally differently internally.

[furious.kid]

The new nerve regulates the pressure inside the gun automatically or something, when in the gun (sounds like a reg but it isn’t). I read somewhere that it apparently has some kind of new technology, like every gun that comes out has. i am excited about the nerve though but idk if it will be as big as the hype

[jchalos]

i see it as a better looking completely tricked impulse. I mean, it looks like they just redesigned it so that it doesnt need a tray; plus shrinking the "front pneumatics" down. If the efficiency is anything like the current impulses, and the price is anything similar to what has been speculated, then it should be a nice gun. So far efficiency is the only complaint i have heard of new shocker performance.


Ignore my grammer, I write like a 3 year old....

[jchalos]

ok, after looking at the pictures again i saw a very faint resemblance to one intimidator. If you think about it, the two guns look very similar, kinda. Someone is gonna pull up the patent and show how stupid this post is, but my theory is this gun is supposed to compete with the timmy, and the shocker is supposed to compete with the matrix...and they keep the impulse as their "low-end-extremely-popular" gun...(i wouldnt dare say it competes with the b2k....:rolleyes:

[got paint?]

lol jchalos----------the nerve kinda looks beter since it higher than the shocker-------the shocker is short----i'll probobbly get it though

[BlackOmegaPBall]

Originally posted by jchalos
and they keep the impulse as their "low-end-extremely-popular" gun

Low end? How many pro-teams do you see shooting impulses? Im talking X-Ball and Pro division here. They are high end guns or so many pro and x-ball teams would not be shooting them. Yes, I know those teams are sponsored and paid to shoot the guns, but they wouldnt shoot a low-end gun even if they were paid. Trust me, they arent being paid as well as Bad Company is to shoot the spyders. I moved from angels (just cuz they have a low resale right now does not mean they are not at the top of the heap) to impulses because the impulse fits my style of shooting more comfortably than does the angel. With the right internals it is an INCREDIBLE gun. I love mine, they are both great.
Just a public service announcement *steps off the soapbox*

[KOTOWA]

Custom ones like RAT impluses are high end, but stock impulses? nah. Maybe mid-class electro.

[PBGreg21]

even rats are still mid class

[tangleboy]

impulse is defentily a high end gun and no your right it doesnt compete with the b2k its a million times better

[EvilOne]

ok guys im deciding if i should wait a while and get a new shocker, or get a 03 rat sometime soon. what should i do!!??

[The Fool]

For me its either gunna be wait for the Nerve, if it really does finaly come out at the end of summer. Or I am getting the NY Xtreme Matrix. Both have the reverse magnetic trigger (Bing!).

[not_manbot]

Originally posted by tangleboy
impulse is defentily a high end gun and no your right it doesnt compete with the b2k its a million times better yeah the stock impulse is sooo much better cuz the stock B2K3 comes stock with a LPR, no FSDO, comfortable frame, actual milling, cocker threads, and full trigger adjustment and the stock Impluse doesn't....

[adidas14]

what exactly is the reverse magnetic trigger?

[PaintballinRider]

After talking to a SP tech that I know about it, here is what he had to say. I also had a chance to see it at Las Vegas PSP.


You think the Shocker is small, just wait till you see the nerve. This thing is the smallest gun I have seen.

Ok, so my friend says the Nerve is crazy fast. The accuracy will be at least as good as the impulse. So it is just a fast really really small imp.


NOT WORTH THE CASH in my opinion

[Llama08]

1: mag is smaller
2: cocker is more accurate then imp, nerve, and shocker combined.

stupidsmart parts always thinking that cuz it comes in a box wih little target on it, it must be the best gun in the universe.

[Trauma11]

acurracy has nothing to do with the marker lets just clear that up. its all about barrel to paint match, wether conditions, paint and so on nothing to do with the gun

[mac17]

Hey , autocockers are the the most accurate guns at the furthest ranges because the bolt never, ever, touches the ball, along with pump guns, they dont hit the ball therefore deforming the ball into a more elongated shape such as a bullet (yes the ball does turn into an oval when it comes out of the barrel), they are more accurate because there is less varience btw each shot of the type of deformation on the ball

[SlyJhereg]

mac 17, the autococker bolt cocks and feeds every ball into the barrel thereby touching every ball. If you don't know anything about cockers you shouldn't pretend to.

[tHa cLiPsE]

I talked to Dirty from Strange and he said the Nerve won't be out 'till next summer.

[GmanX]

NO nerve yet. I talked to SP guy a IAO. He says its not ready yet not for a while. Apparently the shocker isnt either. There was only two in the place. None for sale. Figures doesnt it.

[PBX]

where can i find pics of the nerve

[Jdaswat1988]

Originally posted by PBX
where can i find pics of the nerve

funny... there's pictures in THIS forum...

[Absolution]

Smart Parts is simply trying to over-hype this marker that is still in RnD like they do with everything else.

oh yeah, the impulse is a low end electro.

[weston]

absolution y are yall so anti sp they are not ruining the game in any way they are a business they are tryin to make there business better!! it won't have much of an effect on ur life it is not the end of the world! you will just have to pay more $ for guns with electronic switches what maybe $20 get a job who cares!!

[weston]

oh yeah, strange uses a low end gun ya but they are a pro team and do really well with them. i own an impulse shoots great smaller lighter than most timmys/ i also own a timmy and the impulse cant shoot as fast but every gun has goods and bads it all depends on your playing style or who sponsors u!!!

oh yeah, low end gun $1150 i think the strange imp is on sale look how cheap these guns are

[Scott7d]

Accuracy is ALL in paint/barrel match? so there is no way any gun can shoot different than another if they have the same paint and barrel? i dont even think thats true even if they have the same reg. Thats about as funny as people saying one gun cant shoot farther than another.

[Absolution]

i was going to respond with a counterpoint...but you said "y are yall" and i think that's too damn innocent to say something back to. I hate being a softie

[Janq]

The new design '04 Shocker is out.
I've held it in in my hand at my local shop just last Monday.

Its very small (abouth the same form factor as a Colt 45 minus the hopper elbow) and its lighter than a GZ (!).

The model my shop has is sky blue (nice) and it runs for $1049 including a AA and new MaxFlo 68/4500! A good deal I'd say.

- Janq

[Drewba13]

Originally posted by BlackOmegaPBall
Low end? How many pro-teams do you see shooting impulses? Im talking X-Ball and Pro division here. They are high end guns or so many pro and x-ball teams would not be shooting them. Yes, I know those teams are sponsored and paid to shoot the guns, but they wouldnt shoot a low-end gun even if they were paid. Trust me, they arent being paid as well as Bad Company is to shoot the spyders. I moved from angels (just cuz they have a low resale right now does not mean they are not at the top of the heap) to impulses because the impulse fits my style of shooting more comfortably than does the angel. With the right internals it is an INCREDIBLE gun. I love mine, they are both great.
Just a public service announcement *steps off the soapbox* dude you have NO point...any company sponsoring an Xball team isn't going to give the members the choice to shoot them, THEY MUST. And i'm sure bad company doesnt get paid any more/less to shoot a lesser gun, they tear it up regardless.

oh yeah, strange uses a low end gun ya but they are a pro team and do really well with them. i own an impulse shoots great smaller lighter than most timmys/ i also own a timmy and the impulse cant shoot as fast but every gun has goods and bads it all depends on your playing style or who sponsors u!!!

oh yeah, low end gun $1150 i think the strange imp is on sale look how cheap these guns areweston-a pro team is a pro team is a pro team. If you give them a fast gun with an eye, they will shoot up everbody. Perfect example-tippmann effect, most of these guys are still using regular tippmanns with revvys.

[kr8er]

Originally posted by Llama08
1: mag is smaller
2: cocker is more accurate then imp, nerve, and shocker combined.

stupidsmart parts always thinking that cuz it comes in a box wih little target on it, it must be the best gun in the universe.


cockers arent more accurate... moron

[kr8er]

Originally posted by Scott7d
Accuracy is ALL in paint/barrel match? so there is no way any gun can shoot different than another if they have the same paint and barrel? i dont even think thats true even if they have the same reg. Thats about as funny as people saying one gun cant shoot farther than another.

paint/barrel/consistency, there arent any more factors, and if there are some magic factors we dont know about, how bout you name them?

and one gun can shoot further than another at the same FPS unless there is backspin on the ball (flatline)
its simple physics, if they are going the same speed when they come out, does gravity or air resistance really care which gun they came out of?

[emnm79]

Originally posted by Llama08
1: mag is smaller
2: cocker is more accurate then imp, nerve, and shocker combined.

stupidsmart parts always thinking that cuz it comes in a box wih little target on it, it must be the best gun in the universe.

ugh.. you somehow know how accurate a nerve is, yet it is still in rnd...

oh yea.. thats exactly smart parts logic behind making great guns... who let you in on that secret?
step 1: little target logo
step 2: box
step 3: good gun!!

http://www.projecttwin.com/smilies/jerkit.gif

the one thing you said that may be true.. the mag is smaller.. but you forget about that big... soda can size front grip, and.. how gay mags are..

[TeamDescent]

And i'm sure bad company doesnt get paid any more/less to shoot a lesser gun, they tear it up regardless.
Wow I lost all respect for you right there. BC gets a lot more for shooting the AMG's.

[MrRidgway]

Some where I read that the new technology in the nerve would really be quite interesting, but don't quote me on it because I might have been reading about another gun.

Supposedly, the computer chip inside the gun will be able to measure how fast the ball is being shot out the barrel, and can also compensate for any differnece in weather, etc., to keep it at the same fps, and to bring one of the most consistent shots available in paintball, brought to you once again by technology.

That is one of the very big reasons the price tag is a little higher then the shocker.

[imhungry]

its basiclly an impulse 2. it hs all the crap on the outside inside w/ a few new thingies. don't waste ur time waitin for it, get a trix or an ecocker, they will prolly end up ownin the nerve neway

[TeamDescent]

Hoorah, another totally uninformed opinion. :rolleyes:

[imhungry]

yea, no really. my budy anthony messed with the prototype when he went t the SP factory to get his 2k3 shocker workin right. he said the thing he messed with was basiclly an impulse. i can almost garuntee u it was just something they threw together get ideas. seriously though, it won't be out for a long while still

[Ydna]

yeah, it works just like the Impulse, what else is new? So do the bob Long guns and the Bushmaster...all stacked open bolt blow backs. The difference si the Imp comes with junk internals, the Nerve dosen't. if you want to buy a private labe Impulse then you mind as well get the Nerve. Does that make it bad? no.

[imhungry]

never said it made it bad, just saying its nothing that to new and exciting

[Ydna]

well all I know is I can walk it at 18 bps, when Vision comes out we'll see what happens. Of course I realize you can do that with other trigs too, not the point.

[veronasdead]

thank you all for making me dumber by reading that... heres the deal, the nerve shoots the ball like an impulse, but with totaly different electronics, thats all, but the fancy electronics will make it more consistent, thus more accurate beacause you can get more shots going the same speed, therefore the same distance, and as with all of the newer electros it will of course have more bps under its belt cause shooting fast is what makes players good now adays, not to mention it looks pretty sexy from the pics in the smart parts catalog i got today

[parisinflames7]

Originally posted by Scott7d
Accuracy is ALL in paint/barrel match? so there is no way any gun can shoot different than another if they have the same paint and barrel? i dont even think thats true even if they have the same reg. Thats about as funny as people saying one gun cant shoot farther than another.

300fps=300fps
pressure consistancy is going to keep that even
paint roundness and barrel fit are the 2 biggest factors, theyre what control the spin on the ball, i guess barrel condition too

[showtime]

i dont care what any SP haters say. The new Smart Parts Catalog says it all about the Nerve "...and you thought only Ferrai sold sex." "Patented eletronic firing (it's fast) Patented air flow (it's consistent) Patented barrel design (it's accurate) and Patented attitude (it's bad-***)." this gun has 20+ bps, low pressure air regulation, vision eye, built in lpr (self adjusting output pressure, pretty much a built in regulator), reverse polarity trigger, and a pin less bolt assembly. and i've heard a rumor only about 200 more than a 04 Shocker (that is including a freak and a maxflo 68/4500)

[not_manbot_revenge]

Originally posted by showtime
i dont care what any SP haters say. The new Smart Parts Catalog says it all about the Nerve "...and you thought only Ferrai sold sex." "Patented eletronic firing (it's fast) Patented air flow (it's consistent) Patented barrel design (it's accurate) and Patented attitude (it's bad-***)." this gun has 20+ bps, low pressure air regulation, vision eye, built in lpr (self adjusting output pressure, pretty much a built in regulator), reverse polarity trigger, and a pin less bolt assembly. and i've heard a rumor only about 200 more than a 04 Shocker (that is including a freak and a maxflo 68/4500) just like how the catalog says that the impulse is the best thing ever.

are you really that gullible?

[emnm79]

also.. that description fits MANY high end electros.. aside from the ****tarded patents and reverse polarity trigger, big whoop..

[Sideshot]

Listen up. Can you honestly say the Impulse is a low end gun, the shocker isn't as accurate as cockers, and the Nerve is all hype and some delusion made by Smart Parts?
All of those and various other things that uninformed players who only see the lawsuit above all other things is bull crap. Fact is, Smart Parts makes some great guns. The Shocker is freaking accurate (ESPECIALLY the 2k2), the Impulse is fast, low matinence, accuarte, and inexpensive, and the Nerve WILL probably be all it's made out to be.
I don't care what you all say, just because that made a brilliant, ruthless rather Machievellian move doesn't mean they now hold the worst guns in the world. Just look at all the Impulse converts. Almost every guy at my field now, has dropped his Angel $1500 set up and got an $800 set up on the Impulse. In a matter of fact, Angel's are more rare at my field than mags now, because of all those converts.
All I'm saying is, just because they made a business move you didn't agree with doesn't mean they're the Anti-Christ, and it certainly doesn't mean they make bad guns, no matter how many times you all say it.

[parisinflames7]

Originally posted by Sideshot
, the shocker isn't as accurate as cockers,

yea i can say that because i know there is no difference between the type of guns but what kinda paint is in them, the barrel to paint fit, and the pressure consistancy, sure there may be differences varying from gun to gun if u go up to about 600fps, cuz thats the only place theyre going to show up. trust me on this one its been proven before.

[not_manbot_revenge]

Originally posted by Sideshot
Listen up. Can you honestly say the Impulse is a low end gun, the shocker isn't as accurate as cockers, and the Nerve is all hype and some delusion made by Smart Parts?
All of those and various other things that uninformed players who only see the lawsuit above all other things is bull crap. Fact is, Smart Parts makes some great guns. The Shocker is freaking accurate (ESPECIALLY the 2k2), the Impulse is fast, low matinence, accuarte, and inexpensive, and the Nerve WILL probably be all it's made out to be.
I don't care what you all say, just because that made a brilliant, ruthless rather Machievellian move doesn't mean they now hold the worst guns in the world. Just look at all the Impulse converts. Almost every guy at my field now, has dropped his Angel $1500 set up and got an $800 set up on the Impulse. In a matter of fact, Angel's are more rare at my field than mags now, because of all those converts.
All I'm saying is, just because they made a business move you didn't agree with doesn't mean they're the Anti-Christ, and it certainly doesn't mean they make bad guns, no matter how many times you all say it. so you're telling me that the stock impulse is great? with FSDO, bolt stick, POS solenoid, no LPR, bad trigger frame, bad trigger, and a crappy barrel? the old shocker isn't a heavy, slow, bricklike beast, and also had FSDO and bad trigger frames? that the nerve will probably end up just like all the other products that SP has put out? shoddy and ill designed?

[kr8er]

Originally posted by not_manbot_revenge
so you're telling me that the stock impulse is great? with FSDO, bolt stick, POS solenoid, no LPR, bad trigger frame, bad trigger, and a crappy barrel? the old shocker isn't a heavy, slow, bricklike beast, and also had FSDO and bad trigger frames? that the nerve will probably end up just like all the other products that SP has put out? shoddy and ill designed?

not all have fsdo,
tapeworm fixes bolt stick, even though 99 percent dont have it,
solonoid is just as good as any other,
dont need an lpr
trigger frame is just fine, u are just ****ing stupid
stock trigger bad? buy a blade
and the stock barrel is really good, alot better than others out there


ure just a dumb*** makin shyt up that sounds good, go **** yourself

[imhungry]

i will agree, angels r becoming a rare sight, but most of the people dropin thier angels r movin to timmies, ecockers and trixes. impulses r more of back up gun for a lot of guys i play w/. i would take an imp over an lcd though, unless the lcd is ACED

[parisinflames7]

Originally posted by not_manbot_revenge
so you're telling me that the stock impulse is great? with FSDO, bolt stick, POS solenoid, no LPR, bad trigger frame, bad trigger, and a crappy barrel? the old shocker isn't a heavy, slow, bricklike beast, and also had FSDO and bad trigger frames? that the nerve will probably end up just like all the other products that SP has put out? shoddy and ill designed?

sorry kr8er but manbot is right, all the 2k3's and 2k2 imps ive shot (most right out of the box) have had those problems.

[not_manbot_revenge]

Originally posted by kr8er
not all have fsdo,
tapeworm fixes bolt stick, even though 99 percent dont have it,
solonoid is just as good as any other,
dont need an lpr
trigger frame is just fine, u are just ****ing stupid
stock trigger bad? buy a blade
and the stock barrel is really good, alot better than others out there


ure just a dumb*** makin shyt up that sounds good, go **** yourself take any other solenoid used in any paintgun outside of electro spyders and such, and place it next to the impulse solenoid. now tell me what is different about the two...it's quite easy to see.

also you do need an LPR if you want low pressure, but i guess you impy owners like your ball busters, where'd you come up with this tapeworm and blade trigger things, we're talking about STOCK impulses something you guys seem to forget. the stock barrel is horrible compared to most stock barrels that decent guns are coming with now. :idea: nice try!

[parisinflames7]

imps barrels really do suck compared to the barrels that angels and trixes and timmies are coming with now. even most after market cockers are coming with nice barrels

[imhungry]

^^^ seriously, buy an orracle and u get one of the best barrels out.

[parisinflames7]

the nexxus and eclipse and most evo cockers come with the ultralight i think now, the matrix comes with the matrix barrel wich is made by cp, as is the angel barrel

[bushwhakersplinter]

i will say one thing and one thing only about the whole which gun shoots further debate. have you ever heard of inertia? it basically means that an object will keep moving in the same direction unless acted on by an outside force. well to break it down for yah the more mass the more inertia therefore an object with more mass will travel further once in motion than an object with less mass. air has mass so a high volume gun will put alot more air behind the ball thus giving it more mass thus making it harder to change direction by an outside force. that is why a suv rolling down a hill will take longer to stop than a skateboard. so all else being equall the higher volume gun will shoot further. anybody who beggs to differ go pick up a science book.

[parisinflames7]

yea so a gun with more high flow parts will shoot further is what your saying? or is it more along the lines of 300fps=300fps

[MrRidgway]

I'm tired of all the debate on which gun shoots further then which, and I'm here to explain it to you people who obviously haven't taken or didn't pass high school physics.

For a projectile like a paintball coming from a gun there is only two factors affecting its trajectory, actually three. Velocity, angle, and height. A gun shooting at 300 fps will shoot the same distance as another gun shooting at 300 fps because gravity works the same on all objects, as long as the angle is the same. Gravity doesn't know if the paintball is being shot from a timmy, an angel, or an autococker, so the gun doesn't matter.

Grab your gun, and look at the mirror while you aim it. Most people have the tendency(sp) to look down the barrel to aim, but guess what, your angle is actually negative, thus shooting the paintball down at the ground. Practice pointing the gun at a positive angle, 10 maybe 20 degrees, so you get the accuracy you want and get more distance.

One more thing effects the distance of the ball, height. Think about it, if a 5'1" kid shoots a paintball gun at the same angle you do, and your 5'9", your paintball has more time in the air before gravity pulls it to the ground. Its basic physics.

[MrRidgway]

Originally posted by bushwhakersplinter
i will say one thing and one thing only about the whole which gun shoots further debate. have you ever heard of inertia? it basically means that an object will keep moving in the same direction unless acted on by an outside force. well to break it down for yah the more mass the more inertia therefore an object with more mass will travel further once in motion than an object with less mass. air has mass so a high volume gun will put alot more air behind the ball thus giving it more mass thus making it harder to change direction by an outside force. that is why a suv rolling down a hill will take longer to stop than a skateboard. so all else being equall the higher volume gun will shoot further. anybody who beggs to differ go pick up a science book.

I beg to differ, because your reasoning is flawed. First, your post is filled with an explanation of inertia, and all over it it says DIRECTION, not DISTANCE. Two totally different things.

When you shoot a paintball out of your gun, the pressure your shooting at does not, let me repeat, DOES NOT in any way change its mass, at all, period. Anyone who thinks that is an idiot and deserves to be shot. Even if it did, gravity acts the same on ALL objects NO MATTER THE SIZE! Drop a text book to the ground with a single sheet of paper on top, and I swear to you they will both drop at the exact same speed.

If your reasoning is taken into affect, which it should'nt be, and everything is exactly the same from a paintball gun except the mass of the paintball, the paintball with less mass will go FARTHER, why do you ask? Newtons Second Law of Motion, where Force=Mass x Acceleration. So, Acceleration= Force/Mass. Since everything is the same, the paintballs will stay in the air the exact same time, but since the one paintball has more mass, its acceleration is less, which means the paintball with less mass will travel FASTER, therefore getting it FARTHER.

The car and the skate board is a totally different situation. The objects aren't effected by gravity, why do you ask?? Newton's third law of motion, that's why. The Force of Weight, or gravity, of the objects is being nullified by the road it's on. For every force being exerted on an object there is an equal and opposite force being exerted on the object. The only reason the objects slow down when they reach the flat surface at the bottom of the hill is because of friction, and hey, guess what, AIR and the GROUND are both the friction forces at work!

I have just proven everything you have said to be utterly wrong, please, if you beg to differ, go take a physics class!

[parisinflames7]

thanks mr. ridgeway, CASE CLOSED

[Horger]

Originally posted by not_manbot_revenge
just like how the catalog says that the impulse is the best thing ever.

are you really that gullible?

he's not even a gullibull, he's a gullicalf.

[bushwhakersplinter]

i said the amount of air put behind the ball with change mass, and my skateboard suv thingy was a bad description. if an object is accelerated to 300fps with a mass of 21g then it will travel farther than an object accelerated to 300fps with a mass of 10g.

[emnm79]

If your reasoning is taken into affect, which it should'nt be, and everything is exactly the same from a paintball gun except the mass of the paintball, the paintball with less mass will go FARTHER, why do you ask? Newtons Second Law of Motion, where Force=Mass x Acceleration. So, Acceleration= Force/Mass. Since everything is the same, the paintballs will stay in the air the exact same time, but since the one paintball has more mass, its acceleration is less, which means the paintball with less mass will travel FASTER, therefore getting it FARTHER.

you are correct, but you are forgetting about something, the ligher one will have more accelleration, BUT, because it has less mass, it will also have less force, meaning it will decellerate quicker, the larger one may not accellerate as fast, BUT, in a paintball gun, that would not matter, because we would adjust the gun to shoot it at a certain fps, so they will both start out at the same fps, the larger mass will take more air to move though, and then, ,the lighter ball has less inertia(force) so the air resistance slows it, but the heavier ball has more intertia(force) and it takes longer for the air resistance to slow it down...


imo, the gun does matter, even at the same velocity, same paint match, the way the air is applied to the ball could dent it, spin it, etc... ie: turbulence in the air shooting the ball, or too much psi, not enough volume.. BUT, with most good guns, that doesnt matter, the most important part is paint match...

[bushwhakersplinter]

here here!! we will leave it at that. to me it doesnt matter cause i am usually only 20-50 feet from my opponents which is no prob from almost any gun

[parisinflames7]

Originally posted by bushwhakersplinter
i said the amount of air put behind the ball with change mass, and my skateboard suv thingy was a bad description. if an object is accelerated to 300fps with a mass of 21g then it will travel farther than an object accelerated to 300fps with a mass of 10g.


yea its called momentum, but all your saying really proves that if i shoot a marble at 300fps it will travel further than a paintball shot at 300fps