did the paint cost the ironmen first place?

[imAkiLlA11]

i was at the event and i watched it on pbstar and what i saw was ironmen players using there straight shot every point. not once did i see x factor have to clean there barrel. personally i think they would have won if the paint would have not chopped so much.

[wrathballer99]

im wondering the same thing...



chops make me want to punch infants

[thero31]

they shot the same ball

[dhosinski]

To be honest, I think Ollie had it right. "The rainy weather evens the playing field." The goggles fog up, and the balls do all kind of crazy things. So, maybe the paint played a role but I think the weather was the real difference. On a dry day, I'd pick the Ironmen anytime.
Not to take away anything from X-Factor but given better conditions our team is stacked!

[Riptide21]

sorry this might be off topic a bit .. but how much does paint cost from the trucks there a case?

[economicgirlyman]

sorry this might be off topic a bit .. but how much does paint cost from the trucks there a case?
DYE owns the PSP go figure how much they can get vendors to give their team paint for

[turbulenceBACK]

You're never hear an Ironmen blame the loss on their paint. They're better then that.

[Karzac]

Ironmen and Xfactor are just two teams that are very even. Xfactor just came out on top, thats all, maybe under different circumstances Ironmen woulda had it.

They still are sitting 1st overall. :tup:

[Riptide21]

DYE owns the PSP go figure how much they can get vendors to give their team paint for

oh snap. i didnt know that.. But does anyone know how cheap it would be when u compete there.. that always made me wonder when u compete in a pro tournament like that and how much paint you use in Xball.. how much would a case of paint be? is it free when they are sponsored?

[turbulenceBACK]

usually free, but prices can range between $45 and $35 for the ultra evil they're using. Most high profile teams are getting it free though.

[djbalance]

DYE owns the PSP go figure how much they can get vendors to give their team paint for

DYE doesn't own the PSP. they have a financial stake in it, just like smart parts, KEE, DXS and i'm sure some otheres.

[Karzac]

Most pro teams get everything for free.

[angel_octane_187]

im wondering the same thing...



chops make me want to punch infants



LMFAO!

[Snaggle]

they shot the same ball


They both shoot evil...

[lifefordye]

1.they shoot the same paint
2.you cant blame a lose on paint

[Crypt]

Sunday wasn't rainy. Weather wasn't a factor. If the Ironmen were breaking paint then they need to talk to their techs to get their guns to shoot softer or they need to make wiser choices when picking which paint they shoot. I didn't see any other teams having that problem.

While both of the teams have the same sponsor it is well known that not all batches of paint are equal. It's possible that Ironmen opted for the more brittle shelled paint and had it bite them in the ass as they came up against Xfactor shooting a harder paint that actually made it out of the barrel.

Or.

In the past two events Xfactor has placed better than the Ironmen. It's not impossible that they are a better team right now.

[teamfuel07]

im wondering the same thing...



chops make me want to punch infants

ROFLMAO i had the same thoughts in mind.

and even ollie said it, they just didnt pull it together and ran out of time, hes a very modest man and idk. at half time they were even talking about how there gonna pull them along and just take it out of no where and i just think they couldnt. X-Factor out played them hands down no exceptions. im a huge ironmen fan but honestly they just didnt have what it took to win that day. there still ahead in points, there all good.

[economicgirlyman]

DYE doesn't own the PSP. they have a financial stake in it, just like smart parts, KEE, DXS and i'm sure some otheres.
more or less they do, companies have to buy spots to have a booth, money is divided through dye, kee, sp etc, i dont no wat ball they were shooting but u can bet they (meaning the ironmen players) didnt pay a dime, if it came down to that dye would pick up the cost considering all the money they recieve from vendors

how unfortunate that one of the only two things dye doesnt make is paint (the other being a hopper)

[masterjedishane]

I assume we're talking about the Chicago PSP!?!

Well I was there all day in the rain and most teams had problems with their paint breaking, not just Ironmen. But the rain broke and the game against X-factor wasn't played in the rain... I'll go as far as to say it wasn't a paint issue... Dynasty had major problems and they were shooting thier GAP Dynasty paint ( I know because I got shot with one of those Banana smelling balls). My thoughts are that your loader, gun, and barrel play the role in paint breaking... that is where you have paint breaks... So was it the fault of one or two of those? I saw loads of loader problems but I only saw one guys loader turn in to a blender and he didn't play for Ironmen, so the real problem lies in the guns and/ or barrels. I don't know what barrels and barrel sizes were being used but I would assume that they should have a good paint to barrel match since Dye makes a lot of good barrels. I guess at this point you may want to look at the guns being shot... Dm7's loads of paint breaks, Dynasty had the same problems in the Shockers, but those shooting the Epiphany seemed to fair well. X-factor was shooting the Ego and it seemed that other teams who also shot the Ego had little problems with breaks. I myself own a Ego and frankly the only 2 balls I've ever chopped in my gun were due to turning the vision system off. a side from that I've never broke a ball... period.

So reguardless of what anyone may think it's my belief that X-factors lack of problems were due to them shooting the EGO.

Another option is that for what ever reason X-factor had the biggest fan support and sideline coaching from fans which in my opinion played a huge role. Another factor that I think played a major role in X-factor winning was the fact they made moves while Ironmen played conservitive. It was the same case in the Blow out of Dynasty in the semi's... X-factor put guys in the key front spots off the break while other teams tried to bump players in to those spots.

I'm taking nothing away from Ironmen, Dynasty, X-Factor or anyother team... they all are great teams with great players... X-Factor just made the moves and had the right equipment to get the job done.

[christianpballer]

I assume we're talking about the Chicago PSP!?!

Well I was there all day in the rain and most teams had problems with their paint breaking, not just Ironmen. But the rain broke and the game against X-factor wasn't played in the rain... I'll go as far as to say it wasn't a paint issue... Dynasty had major problems and they were shooting thier GAP Dynasty paint ( I know because I got shot with one of those Banana smelling balls). My thoughts are that your loader, gun, and barrel play the role in paint breaking... that is where you have paint breaks... So was it the fault of one or two of those? I saw loads of loader problems but I only saw one guys loader turn in to a blender and he didn't play for Ironmen, so the real problem lies in the guns and/ or barrels. I don't know what barrels and barrel sizes were being used but I would assume that they should have a good paint to barrel match since Dye makes a lot of good barrels. I guess at this point you may want to look at the guns being shot... Dm7's loads of paint breaks, Dynasty had the same problems in the Shockers, but those shooting the Epiphany seemed to fair well. X-factor was shooting the Ego and it seemed that other teams who also shot the Ego had little problems with breaks. I myself own a Ego and frankly the only 2 balls I've ever chopped in my gun were due to turning the vision system off. a side from that I've never broke a ball... period.

So reguardless of what anyone may think it's my belief that X-factors lack of problems were due to them shooting the EGO.

Another option is that for what ever reason X-factor had the biggest fan support and sideline coaching from fans which in my opinion played a huge role. Another factor that I think played a major role in X-factor winning was the fact they made moves while Ironmen played conservitive. It was the same case in the Blow out of Dynasty in the semi's... X-factor put guys in the key front spots off the break while other teams tried to bump players in to those spots.

I'm taking nothing away from Ironmen, Dynasty, X-Factor or anyother team... they all are great teams with great players... X-Factor just made the moves and had the right equipment to get the job done.
you missed one thing,Ironmen had penalties(2 5min if I remeber right) that cost them the tourney cause they had them at crucial times it wasn't b/c they don't use EGOs it was penalties most likely that cost them the tourney.

[dlrash]

Another factor that I think played a major role in X-factor winning was the fact they made moves while Ironmen played conservitive. It was the same case in the Blow out of Dynasty in the semi's... X-factor put guys in the key front spots off the break while other teams tried to bump players in to those spots.

I'm taking nothing away from Ironmen, Dynasty, X-Factor or anyother team... they all are great teams with great players... X-Factor just made the moves and had the right equipment to get the job done.

oh my lord I know what you mean... Dynasty and Ironmen were both doing great when they were Double-Penetrating that snake, then for some reason they stopped and they started getting killed.

[FrontRunner2]

oh my lord I know what you mean... Dynasty and Ironmen were both doing great when they were Double-Penetrating that snake, then for some reason they stopped and they started getting killed.

Yeah thats usually what does it. When we scrim our D2 team all you have to do to crush them is make big moves. But whenever you watch that pbstar vid of the final game the ironmen were still in their back bunkers. But i still love the ironmen. good luck at the NPPL event.

[HK Legionaire]

I assume we're talking about the Chicago PSP!?!

Well I was there all day in the rain and most teams had problems with their paint breaking, not just Ironmen. But the rain broke and the game against X-factor wasn't played in the rain... I'll go as far as to say it wasn't a paint issue... Dynasty had major problems and they were shooting thier GAP Dynasty paint ( I know because I got shot with one of those Banana smelling balls). My thoughts are that your loader, gun, and barrel play the role in paint breaking... that is where you have paint breaks... So was it the fault of one or two of those? I saw loads of loader problems but I only saw one guys loader turn in to a blender and he didn't play for Ironmen, so the real problem lies in the guns and/ or barrels. I don't know what barrels and barrel sizes were being used but I would assume that they should have a good paint to barrel match since Dye makes a lot of good barrels. I guess at this point you may want to look at the guns being shot... Dm7's loads of paint breaks, Dynasty had the same problems in the Shockers, but those shooting the Epiphany seemed to fair well. X-factor was shooting the Ego and it seemed that other teams who also shot the Ego had little problems with breaks. I myself own a Ego and frankly the only 2 balls I've ever chopped in my gun were due to turning the vision system off. a side from that I've never broke a ball... period.

So reguardless of what anyone may think it's my belief that X-factors lack of problems were due to them shooting the EGO.

Another option is that for what ever reason X-factor had the biggest fan support and sideline coaching from fans which in my opinion played a huge role. Another factor that I think played a major role in X-factor winning was the fact they made moves while Ironmen played conservitive. It was the same case in the Blow out of Dynasty in the semi's... X-factor put guys in the key front spots off the break while other teams tried to bump players in to those spots.

I'm taking nothing away from Ironmen, Dynasty, X-Factor or anyother team... they all are great teams with great players... X-Factor just made the moves and had the right equipment to get the job done.

True that, the Aftershock game in the middle of it half of the guys took their UL Tips off and started playing insert ball :nododgy:

[Speed_Scooter]

Ironmen had a 5 min major penalty in the first half as well. I think X-factor was able to capatilze on that and score a couple points before it ran out. thats hurt them more than anything i think

[saint]

Not the paint baby, the gun... Ego's are great with almost any paint. The matrix is supposed to be the best on paint but I guess not.

Also like some people said... penalties will get you most of the time.

saint.

[Lite_em_up]

im guessing it was the paint, i pitted for raiders on thursday and there enertia was shooting shitty was great , they said cuz they got the right lot number, all the pros paint comes off of a refridgerated truck and can be too brittle or not brittle enough, but the players can change that by how much moisture is allowed to reach the paint befro shooting it, if u think about it it was rainy and rain brings humidity whoich would be absorbed by thre paintball which would then break in the gun for being too big or wouldnt break on players so wat they then could have done was to make it fmore brittle by cooling and drying it out, but while ur in a xball match ur pit has to do that for u so i can see it either be swollen paint or it got really brittle because of the lot number was from a colder truck

[sdmorrison7]

ironmens shoots evil...so does x-factor how can it be cause the paint

[Stevless_The_Great]

i dont think the Ironmen as a team can annouce "we lost because the paint was bad or not running threw the guns well" or "we lost because of this or that". Chops happen they are a speed bumb and dificult to over come i can see were it'd be hard for them to place the paint on X-factors face.
but i also dont think they'd come out and say it was the paint or come tech issue they are better then that and DYE wouldnt want them makeing those comments. overal i think its possible it might have coast them the game.

[imAkiLlA11]

ironmens shoots evil...so does x-factor how can it be cause the paint

because of the guns believe it or not but egos can be easier on paint.

[Stevless_The_Great]

word. but so have DM's... if im remembering correctly.

[gbreadflowers]

ive noticed ironmen chop a lot of paint everytime i see them idk whats the matter but they just do. everygame i see somebody cleaning their barrel

[Thor06]

ive noticed ironmen chop a lot of paint everytime i see them idk whats the matter but they just do. everygame i see somebody cleaning their barrel

QFT.

i watch alot of teams and i think ironmen chop the most paint out of every pro team. they have always played through it and most of the time comes out on top. They will lose every once and a while, and you cant go blaming it on their paint.