Next Year?

[Snido]

Have there been any thoughts as to where we will playing next year? I would like to see it at PBC, but thats just me.

[hawkey]

rumors seemed to be going around that we may be going back to Florida

[not_BRONCO]

Florida would suck.... We should go somewhere central, like St. Louis or Chicago.

[Counterfeit_Syn5304]

yeah STL or Chitown would be nice since thats the region where most of the CLASS AA final teams were from region wise...

[ckmobman2041]

central location would be nice
it seemed like there were a lot more west coast teams in AA this year

[Snido]

i know the reason we didnt go was bc of the ridiculous cost, either way something closer would be better, esp since the contract with Texas is up.

[DrexelSquirrel]

I've said before that something like St. Louis would be nice but as Raehl has also said, it's better to go somewhere with nice weather. :tup: for Florida

[UMDpaintball]

Plane tickets are going to be expensive no matter where we go in the 50 states. I would rather Nationals be in an awesome location, like SoCal or Orlando, Fl rather than some crappy place in the middle where there's nothing to do or see, with the potential for bad weather.

Flashback to Natls 05 (Orlando): Maryland (and Uconn and PSU and others) stayed at a hotel right next to old towne, which allowed open containers, and had tons of awesome stuff like the mechanical bull, moonbounce lazertag, and endless debauchery. The weather was awesome and the buffets were endless.

[Snido]

The reason alot of teams, including us, dont go is because of the plane tickets

[Barfoot_UGA]

The reason alot of teams, including us, dont go is because of the plane tickets

That's why we didn't go

[UMDpaintball]

There's no way to get around plane tickets, so start fundraising early.

The reason alot of teams, including us, dont go is because of the plane tickets

Maybe you can drop a CFOA event to save money to fly to nationals. It'd be worth it.

[DI*killa]

agreed.


nationals used to be in chicago. i wouldnt mind seeing a nashville like old school nppl. cheap airfare and relativly a cool place.

BUT, you can never go wrong with orlando.

[BallisticPB_Albs]

This "endless debauchery" sounds fun. If you guys really wanted to try and throw a players party next year everyone should try to stay in/near the same hotel.

As for airfare, book tickets as soon as a location is confirmed to save some money.

[raehl]

We don't do the northern states anymore because the weather in April is 50-50. If you had been at the nationals in chicago when it was 40 degrees and a downpour the whole time you'd understand.

Hell, if you'd been at Badlandz four weeks ago you'd understand.


- Chris

[MetDTHero]

So Cal is always nice. ;)

[x420psykoticx]

I've said before that something like St. Louis would be nice but as Raehl has also said, it's better to go somewhere with nice weather. :tup: for Florida

Sounds good. :P

[Deimus85]

Florida, Cali, or Tejas

PBC Charlotte would be agg too.

[SHK]

Florida ftw

[Klink]

this debate starts every year. the event MUST be held somewhere we know the weather will be good in april, which rules out everything above the mason dixon line and some things below. florida was amazing when we had it and texas hasn't failed for weather in 2 years. socal is always a possibility, especially considering the scientists just predicted a permanent drought for the area.

if cost is your primary concern for wanting the event to happen in tornado alley or some other "central" location then sack the fuck up, start saving your money over the summer, prioritize your expenses and fundraise. everyone has the same no-money sob story yet the people who really want to be there always show up. UCI has paid completely out of pocket for 2 years running and we are the same distance or farther from texas as all the teams that complain about location. if you have to, drink a few less beers every weekend and put the money towards your paintball career. 29 schools made the trip this year without bitching about cost and they obviously had their shit together enough to raise the money, so what's everyone else's problem?

also, don't assume a "central" location will equate to lower plane prices for all the NCPA member schools. DFW and Orlando are both major hub airports so flying in is relatively cheap. Phoenix is another cheaper hub as well as LAX. ATL I believe is another hub but the east coast has been drowned in rain this spring and if it will be a running theme for the next few years then we can't use it.

i hear the same bitching going on in NPPL and PSP. the simple reality is that weather is the #1 factor when determining the location for such large events that need to be planned out months ahead of time. thus, an NCPA nationals anywhere but in the southern states won't happen unless the event is switched to the summer, and good luck getting school teams to show up then.

[SHK]

^and people stereotype Germans as angry....

[Deimus85]

^and people stereotype Germans as angry....

i heard you chose drinking over nationals...tsk tsk steve hall.

[SHK]

not just drinking, but heavy drinking


and 4 exams and a lab practical

[Klink]

^and people stereotype Germans as angry....

just tired of hearing the same stupid shit year after year after year. "oh why can't we have nationals in chicago? i'll totally ignore the fact that it'll be freezing/raining/generally miserable in april because i'm a selfish fuck and it'll be right down the road from me!"

[LTHL VNM]

keep it in the great state of Texas
our "travel costs" consist of two tanks of gas lol

[edudcixlsyd]

texas is nice this time of year

[SHK]

so is arizona, no idea what the fields are like down there though

[BonanzION]

^and people stereotype Germans as angry....

Pff, you UConn guys don't realize klink's trip to socal made him more angry and yell-prone. it's been a while since you guys have shared a deadbox with him, but for me....

<3

[Snido]

Texas is too far away from most schools period, as is Arizona; PBC is basically perfect for this event; the right weather, and the least amout of schools flying, unless of course there is a location closer to the mason dixon line you'd propose

[Deimus85]

yes and plus, below the mason dixon, you have a plethora of fine dining establishments such as:

http://www.theonion.com/content/files/images/onion_imagearticle2910.jpg

and fine retail centers such as:

http://www.alienresistance.org/walmart.JPG

where you can buy clothing items such as:

http://blog.politicalnonsense.com/images/posts/New_Walmart_Uniforms.jpg

all in all, below the mason dixon line is one toot and a hollerin good time!

[raehl]

Dallas has a lot of things going for it - It's in the rough middle of the country on the south side, and airfare into it is readily available and cheap.

And the field, airport, and hotels are all within 5 minutes of each other.

- Chris

[hawkey]

I really like the setup in dallas and to be honest with you I would have no problem returning there for an event.

[Snido]

for the record Waffle House is the shit

[DrexelSquirrel]

If we return to Dallas, please contact the DOT and have them close all roads and highways except those leading from my hotel to the field, the airport, and the Saltgrass Steakhouse.

[not_BRONCO]

for the record Waffle House is the shitSeconded.

[Deimus85]

Saltgrass was pretty fucking agg

[OU_MUNKY]

Memphis aint a bad place, i know EZ and the Zorns have started to take interest in NCPA. There are a few good places the event could be setup. Probably not at paintball fields but there are plenty of bunkers there already that could be moved into place.

[kawicivic]

my problem with dallas was the fact that there was only one regulation field... and also that the field wasnt putting in as much effort as previously (this was talked about at the board meeting) but since i am not gonna be playing next year the location isnt a big issue for me

[dymium]

my problem with dallas was the fact that there was only one regulation field... and also that the field wasnt putting in as much effort as previously (this was talked about at the board meeting) but since i am not gonna be playing next year the location isnt a big issue for me

Agreed. If we're going to continue steady growth, some of the issues we had should be explicitly stated when we form a contract with the field.

And about where it is, it'd be nice to have it farther north, but if it can't be done fine. Like was said before, if you have problems paying for this tourney, learn to save your money. Not going to the bar for two weeks will pay for 2 cases of paint.

[DI*killa]

i dont know for most, but i think if we talk about travel costs, nashville has the cheapest tickets to anywhere.

$100 RT to chicago, for all the MW schools, cheap everywhere. major southwest hub.


i know its only 3 hours from us so that prolly why you say that, but the weathers is very calm at that time and its pretty damn centralized.

8 hours from chicago, 10 from texas, 7 from arkansas, 4.5 from cinci, mybe 10 from AAPP....


good eats and entertainment. not a bad idea?

[DrexelSquirrel]

It should be in Connecticut, so UConn has a home field advantage :dodgy:

[carr2jabar]

lets go to florida so we have some nice weather and there is plenty of stuff to do in florida. Im also down for nationals to be at PBC. All i ask for is for 2 things. One, the fields be regulation size. Two, the sun doesnt blind 1/2 the field.

[DrexelSquirrel]

Three, cheap liquor and fireworks

[Deimus85]

four, armadillos

[Deimus85]

one, cut a hole in da box
two, put your junk in dat box
three, have her open da box
four, DICK IN A BOX!

[DrexelSquirrel]

one, open pez dispenser
two, load pez
three, close pez dispenser
four, enjoy

[Deimus85]

The guys at Pez must know that their sole market is people under the age of 8 and the metally handicapped. Hence their intruction manual.

[DrexelSquirrel]

If I were a serial killer, I'd want to be known as the Pezman. Because I'd slit their throats and jam a brick down it.

[UMDpaintball]

you ni&&az have finally lost your minds.

[Deimus85]

If I were a serial killer, I'd want to be known as the Pezman. Because I'd slit their throats and jam a brick down it.

If I was a serial killer, I'd be known as Legologger. Because I would glue their hands in a cup holding position and cut various large holes in their legs. Then I would sand them faceless and paint odd expressions on where their face used to be.

you ****** have finally lost your minds.

reported for homophobic attitudes.

[DrexelSquirrel]

If I was a serial killer, I'd be known as Legologger. Because I would glue their hands in a cup holding position and cut various large holes in their legs. Then I would sand them faceless and paint odd expressions on where their face used to be.

Don't forget to paint them yellow.

[Deimus85]

yes of course. how could i have forgotten.

[zdunklee]

We don't do the northern states anymore because the weather in April is 50-50. If you had been at the nationals in chicago when it was 40 degrees and a downpour the whole time you'd understand.

Hell, if you'd been at Badlandz four weeks ago you'd understand.


- Chris



Agreed.......keep nationals as far away from Badlandz as possible......or anywhere in the MW/NE for that matter......we don't need a nationals mud pit....

Exibit A: What happens in the MW in April

http://photos-318.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v73/67/123/22423236/n22423236_33235318_7747.jpg

[UMDpaintball]

Have there been any thoughts as to where we will playing next year? I would like to see it at PBC, but thats just me.

Let's go ahead and scratch PBC off that list. Rain at the MAO has forced cancellation of games

[DI*killa]

mao sucked....except when i beat deimus.....jk



but for real this weekend would have been terrible for nationals.


FL for the win.

[Deimus85]

mao sucked....except when i beat deimus.....jk


huh?

[DI*killa]

haha the team i played with played you guys this morning....

CEP....too ban neither of us faired too well.

[Deimus85]

haha the team i played with played you guys this morning....

CEP....too ban neither of us faired too well.

yea we stepped on our dicks sunday morning, my gun was down and so was my loader from the weather on saturday.

We played so well on Saturday, its too bad we played so bad on sunday.

I am also dissapointed that they changed the 5 man playoff structure...now its only 3 games in semi finals instead of 6.

[DFAHerby]

We don't do the northern states anymore because the weather in April is 50-50. If you had been at the nationals in chicago when it was 40 degrees and a downpour the whole time you'd understand.

Hell, if you'd been at Badlandz four weeks ago you'd understand.


- Chris


QFT lol, as much as it would be sweet to have nationals within an hour or two, I never want to play at the Badlandz again after our last event (Despite going 5-0) and I don't think there is a field in the area that could handle it besides the Badlandz... Plus the whole it could be 30-75 degrees, and snowy-sunny...

And just to add a little bit more incentive not to have nationals at the Badlandz... I give you a picture from April 1st:

http://photos-315.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v75/185/96/22925124/n22925124_33813315_602.jpg

[Deimus85]

That picture pretty much describes anywhere that is not California.

[MuppetMaker]

Back to Dallas...

We were pretty pissed about the fields not being even and not having the same layout. I mean Raehl even put out a virtual walk on Warpig which turned out to be more of a "guideline" instead of the actual field.

Plus the whole ORM (operational risk management) of being prepared and ready if something goes wrong seemed to be forgotten on the AA fields. If that were a field near us, we'd never go back to play a tourney there after how inconsistant everything was.

Who would pay to play on a field that changed 5 minutes b/f games started an then changed again after you had played your first game.

[MetDTHero]

That picture pretty much describes anywhere that is not California.

see more evidence as to why it should be in so-cal.

Back to Dallas...

We were pretty pissed about the fields not being even and not having the same layout. I mean Raehl even put out a virtual walk on Warpig which turned out to be more of a "guideline" instead of the actual field.

Plus the whole ORM (operational risk management) of being prepared and ready if something goes wrong seemed to be forgotten on the AA fields. If that were a field near us, we'd never go back to play a tourney there after how inconsistant everything was.

Who would pay to play on a field that changed 5 minutes b/f games started an then changed again after you had played your first game.

troof.

[UMDpaintball]

Back to Dallas...
Who would pay to play on a field that changed 5 minutes b/f games started an then changed again after you had played your first game.

Can you describe what you're talking about there?
How did the fields change?

[DrexelSquirrel]

They were only 90 feet wide when they should have been 100. From my understanding, every field had that problem, except the TV field.

[UMDpaintball]

how did they change 5 minutes before games?

[Deimus85]

how did they change 5 minutes before games?

the armadillos burrowed 10 feet off the widths of the fields, then their GM of construction decided that they were in violation of armadillo construction code 1.402 Section A and they had to redo it. The mayor of the armadillos then vetoed the GM's reversal of the construction and they had to take off the 10 feet again. Then the GM got drunk and decided to reverse it all himself.

And you don't want to see an armadillo drunk.

http://wirelessdigest.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/armadillo.JPG

[Paintball Ace]

I would just like it to be somewhere where there will be a turnout like there was when it was down in Orlando. Orlando would be great, if there's a nice field I wouldn't mind Nashville, but it seems a lot of people don't want it to be in Dallas, so why try to do it again? I'm sure we could find a field in Orlando to do it, if not I'm sure PBC would be fine with it. The weather in PBC isn't bad either. it just happened to rain during MAO but it's been great up until then.

[carr2jabar]

lets do orlando

[UMDpaintball]

I would just like it to be somewhere where there will be a turnout like there was when it was down in Orlando. Orlando would be great, if there's a nice field I wouldn't mind Nashville, but it seems a lot of people don't want it to be in Dallas, so why try to do it again? I'm sure we could find a field in Orlando to do it, if not I'm sure PBC would be fine with it. The weather in PBC isn't bad either. it just happened to rain during MAO but it's been great up until then.

A lot of people don't want it to be in Dallas? The only person I've seen against it being in Dallas is you.

And regardless of whether it's in Dallas or Orlando, teams are still going to need to buy plane tickets, which seems to be the reason your team and some other teams didn't make it this year. That problem can be solved if these teams fundraised the money ahead of time, instead of complaining about it and naively believing that changing location will attract more teams, or worse yet try to get the location closer to you because you don't have the money to buy plane tickets. That's just selfish.

I am wholeheartedly against having nationals anywhere that has the potential of poor weather. Charlotte, NC has proved itself to be a poor location in late April, as evidenced by rainouts at the MAO.

Even Orlando, for Natls 05, was a tricky situation. It rained on and off that weekend, but we happened to luck out during playtime. The only reason that Natls 05 was at Orlando was because the PSP was holding an event the following weekend. This meant that we could piggyback on them by setting up their fields a week ahead of their event at Disney's Wide World of Sports (which was an awesome venue). Not only was the venue great, but when we weren't playing we got to explore Orlando, which has a lot of fun touristy stuff to offer.

It would be bad (and hard) to try to have the event in Orlando without borrowing the resources that PSP had there that year. If we tried to do it by ourselves it would just end up being at some crappy local field and that would just suck.

It would be awesome to have the event in SoCal or Dallas again, or other locales that have consistently dry and warm weather in late April. Having it near a city w/ an airport is another requirement.

I think we were all very excited when Raehl announced that this year's natls was going to be in Southern California, as part of CStv's College Nationals event. That would have been amazing. Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on how the new tv deal pans out) we didn't follow through with that.

Dallas has proven itself to be a solid location for two years. Xdrenaline can accomodate our current needs. Plus it's right next to the airport, and permits shuttling
to and from the field and hotel(s)--this can save a lot of teams money.

In summation, regardless of where nationals is held, teams need to buck up and fundraise money ahead of time. Because wherever it may be, the majority of teams are going to have to fly. Changing location isn't going to solve any problems for the majority of the teams.

[muchachopb]

Hollywood Sports anyone?

[Deimus85]

I like the Dallas location a lot actually.

[Deimus85]

Hollywood Sports anyone?

California fields fucking suck.

[Snido]

A lot of people don't want it to be in Dallas? The only person I've seen against it being in Dallas is you.


You didn't go to nationals either...Also if you read all the threads prior to nationals you would have noticed the uproar at it being in Dallas again. There are other teams, like us, who have priorities and obligations above and outside of the NCPA. Its simple: the NCPA doesn't give prizes so why waste bundles of money in plane tickets and what not playing its nationals? If it was more central more people could drive; and therefore more people would be willing to go. It all boils down to money; most schools don't give their teams money, therefore it comes out of their pockets; and with school and life in general 800 or so dollars each is not feasible, period.

[Deimus85]

You didn't go to nationals either...Also if you read all the threads prior to nationals you would have noticed the uproar at it being in Dallas again. There are other teams, like us, who have priorities and obligations above and outside of the NCPA. Its simple: the NCPA doesn't give prizes so why waste bundles of money in plane tickets and what not playing its nationals? If it was more central more people could drive; and therefore more people would be willing to go. It all boils down to money; most schools don't give their teams money, therefore it comes out of their pockets; and with school and life in general 800 or so dollars each is not feasible, period.

http://home2.owc.net/~mojow/civic/pics/expressions/CaptainObvious.jpg

If you and your school do not like "wasting" your money on the league, then don't play, its as simple as that. If the only schools that compete are ones that know how to fundraise and can get funding, then so be it. Other schools have dropped out for lack of funding, so why don't you guys drop out as well.

I don't remember there being an uproar, all I ever hear is the same shit you hear in the PSP and NPPL forums. Everyone always suggests a place close to them, without thinking of the fairness of the entirety. Dallas is a perfect location. It IS IN A CENTRALIZED LOCATION. Meaning, it is in a place where airfare from both coasts and the MW are all relatively the same price, and it is not in a common vacation location, which jacks up prices a shitload come the spring time. It is good weather most of the time, near an airport (so teams can save on money by not renting a fleet of cars to transport their team), plenty of hotel variety to fit your budget, and a field that is willing and able to host the venue for us. We do not have the funding as a league to rent out the Bolingbrook Aquatic Center, or the Raymond James Stadium.

If you have priorities and obligations outside the league, then fucking do it. That is not the league's problem.

[UMDpaintball]

You didn't go to nationals either...Also if you read all the threads prior to nationals you would have noticed the uproar at it being in Dallas again. There are other teams, like us, who have priorities and obligations above and outside of the NCPA. Its simple: the NCPA doesn't give prizes so why waste bundles of money in plane tickets and what not playing its nationals? If it was more central more people could drive; and therefore more people would be willing to go. It all boils down to money; most schools don't give their teams money, therefore it comes out of their pockets; and with school and life in general 800 or so dollars each is not feasible, period.

No, we didn't go to nationals this year. This was because our administration wouldn't let us, not because we didn't have the money. In fact, Maryland's entire team, including myself, had bought plane tickets and were ready to fly to Dallas, until we we were told by the school that we were suspended for the remainder of the semester.

Looks like your priorities don't lay w/ the NCPA. You would rather play in a regional league with the hopes of winning prizes, instead of playing ball for the love of the game. BTW, has that paid off so far? Have you won enough prizes to make it worthwhile playing in CFOA rather than NCPA? If you're in it for prizes, maybe you should scrap paintball and try Texas-hold em.

If it was more central more people could drive; and therefore more people would be willing to go.

Wow, you are still not getting the point. Having nationals in Charlotte, NC is only going to benefit you and a handful of other teams. The majority of teams will still have to fly. The majority of teams will still have to fly no matter where the event is held.

[Swantonbomboy]

I liked Texas alot, (except for the crazy waitress we had at Dennys that dropped tons of food, spilt drinks, broke down and cried at the register, screamed at the cook, and told us about how she thought she was going to be dead at 40)... o yea and her hair was purple.

and here is one for the road
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/134/deimuslb8.png

[Deimus85]

and here is one for the road
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/134/deimuslb8.png

http://cache.bordom.net/images/cb38cb5004473ea6ba5e8f8c2f602940.jpg

[Trix]

Chicago.

[carr2jabar]

Dallas is great. I just wish that the fields were even, but the weather is amazing there. Lets have nationals at Seattle, i hear they got good weather there :dodgy:

[UMDpaintball]

Chicago.

That'd be retarded (for the reasons already propounded on in this thread).

[muchachopb]

yea, chicago would be no go. why were you guys suspended UMD?

[UMDpaintball]

yea, chicago would be no go. why were you guys suspended UMD?

I'd rather not go into those details. But I will say this, the administration member who suspended the team (and threatened to disband us throughout the school year) will no longer be faculty at Maryland. So we expect to be coming out strong next season.

[carr2jabar]

thats good to hear.

[Swantonbomboy]

http://cache.bordom.net/images/cb38cb5004473ea6ba5e8f8c2f602940.jpg

you can do better than that man. C'mon

[concept160]

Texas is an awesome location and a fair distance for outlying teams such as the cali schools and the neic. Tons of hotels, reasonably cheap airfare ($165 direct from Philly) and plenty of places to eat, buy beer, etc. With that said, the Wide World of Sports Complex in Orlando is the bomb and close to the beach and trashy hooters rip-off bars but I could imagine it would be more expensive for the league and a lot of the teams.

[MuppetMaker]

how did they change 5 minutes before games?

Me and Trapper were "trying" to walk the fields while they were constantly changing the snake on field 2 (which was a good thing) and multiple bunkers on field 1. I believe we (trapper and myself) were talking to a guy from Cal San marcos? and he agreed that field one wasn't close to being even whatsoever. they started the games b/f they could fix the snake corners on field one. the far side was at least 4' closer to the net than the near side.


Plus I noticed that the small temples near the flag were moved to within like 5' of the flag on field 1. They weren't even close to that on field 2 where they were spaced like they should have been. I asked Trapper when that had happened b/c it wasnt like that when we walked it. My ladder player Josh said that must have been why his lanes changed from our first game to our 2nd. He said he lost about 2 bunkers on a cross lane from D2 after our first game. We assumed it was b/c those temples got moved in closer.


IMO, the problems on field 1 were due to it being about 10-15' narrower than field 2. so they tried compensating by moving bunkers as quick as they could b/f games started. They didnt get all of them mirrored though and it was a completely different field than field 2.

Having two different fields defeats the whole purpose of Raehl putting out a layout for us to practice on. And pretty much says F-you to what we all complained about last year at nationals and having the Extreme Rage field. I would have taken that E-Rage field over this years field b/c at least that field was mirrored. Raehl put in the effort for us to see the layout in advance. The field should have made sure what Raehl came up with was what was put on the field.


This was a NATIONAL event. SOMEONE should have made sure ALL the fields were laid out like they were supposed to and ALL the fields are regulation size even if it takes putting a bunker 1/2 a foot from the netting. Trying to inflate and re-arrange BOTH fields 30 minutes b/f games start qualifies as a piss poor orgaznized event in my book.

[Snido]

No, we didn't go to nationals this year. This was because our administration wouldn't let us, not because we didn't have the money. In fact, Maryland's entire team, including myself, had bought plane tickets and were ready to fly to Dallas, until we we were told by the school that we were suspended for the remainder of the semester.

Looks like your priorities don't lay w/ the NCPA. You would rather play in a regional league with the hopes of winning prizes, instead of playing ball for the love of the game. BTW, has that paid off so far? Have you won enough prizes to make it worthwhile playing in CFOA rather than NCPA? If you're in it for prizes, maybe you should scrap paintball and try Texas-hold em.

Wow, you are still not getting the point. Having nationals in Charlotte, NC is only going to benefit you and a handful of other teams. The majority of teams will still have to fly. The majority of teams will still have to fly no matter where the event is held.

Idc where nationals is; as long as it is more centralized. I say take demographic of team locations and base the location off of that. I am sorry if I misunderstood the reason for you not being there; but at the same time you have to understand mine. I don't have money, working barely keeps me in the positive playing the events that we do. If I didnt love this sport I wouldn't still be playing it. My priorities are with getting myself and the team as far as we can, playing in a more noticeable league is the way to do that. We played MAO and people knew absolutely nothing about the existence of a college paintball league; our fellow ballers knew nothing about us. In CFOA we have a name, we are known, and with that we can garner sponsorships; which in turn we can use to play NCPA, which will make us bigger and able to afford extravagant trips to Texas to ball. As of now we barely make ends meet; it was that way when we played only NCPA as well. Most programs are in our stage, barely making it work; so it would help everyone if the location was easy to drive to for the majority of people. If smaller programs can make nationals, then they can show their school something, then they will have money to play more regularly, and we will grow. How do most teams get their school and every1 else to notice them? Nationals. Thats how I found out about college paintball; I read about PSU winning nationals back when I was a freshmen in high school. Nationals is the only event we play that is nationally recognized; everything else is only noticed regionally./endrant

To some up this rant; the only way for us to grow is for more schools to play regularly. The only way for them to do that is for them to find sponsors, mainly their respective schools. And the only event that gains notoriety is Nationals; so the only way for us to grow is to make Nationals more accessible to more schools. Maybe in that demographic we should include income and whatnot; the schools with money will get shafted in this, but if we only get 2-3 more schools involved a year, then it is worth it is it not?

[Deimus85]

you can do better than that man. C'mon

shut the fuck up. i was sitting in front of a computer screen for 8 hours straight at work. my brain was fried.

JEEZE CUT ME SOME SLACK FOR THE LOVE OF GOD

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[MetDTHero]

Me and Trapper were "trying" to walk the fields while they were constantly changing the snake on field 2 (which was a good thing) and multiple bunkers on field 1. I believe we (trapper and myself) were talking to a guy from Cal San marcos? and he agreed that field one wasn't close to being even whatsoever. they started the games b/f they could fix the snake corners on field one. the far side was at least 4' closer to the net than the near side.


Plus I noticed that the small temples near the flag were moved to within like 5' of the flag on field 1. They weren't even close to that on field 2 where they were spaced like they should have been. I asked Trapper when that had happened b/c it wasnt like that when we walked it. My ladder player Josh said that must have been why his lanes changed from our first game to our 2nd. He said he lost about 2 bunkers on a cross lane from D2 after our first game. We assumed it was b/c those temples got moved in closer.


IMO, the problems on field 1 were due to it being about 10-15' narrower than field 2. so they tried compensating by moving bunkers as quick as they could b/f games started. They didnt get all of them mirrored though and it was a completely different field than field 2.

Having two different fields defeats the whole purpose of Raehl putting out a layout for us to practice on. And pretty much says F-you to what we all complained about last year at nationals and having the Extreme Rage field. I would have taken that E-Rage field over this years field b/c at least that field was mirrored. Raehl put in the effort for us to see the layout in advance. The field should have made sure what Raehl came up with was what was put on the field.


This was a NATIONAL event. SOMEONE should have made sure ALL the fields were laid out like they were supposed to and ALL the fields are regulation size even if it takes putting a bunker 1/2 a foot from the netting. Trying to inflate and re-arrange BOTH fields 30 minutes b/f games start qualifies as a piss poor orgaznized event in my book.

You where walking it with me. What he says is true.

The rest of what he states I can not testify as I wasn't there before.

[carr2jabar]

Idc where nationals is; as long as it is more centralized. I say take demographic of team locations and base the location off of that. I am sorry if I misunderstood the reason for you not being there; but at the same time you have to understand mine. I don't have money, working barely keeps me in the positive playing the events that we do. If I didnt love this sport I wouldn't still be playing it after 8 years of ballin hard. My priorities are with getting myself and the team as far as we can, playing in a more noticeable league is the way to do that. We played MAO and people knew absolutely nothing about the existence of a college paintball league; our fellow ballers knew nothing about us. In CFOA we have a name, we are known, and with that we can garner sponsorships; which in turn we can use to play NCPA, which will make us bigger and able to afford extravagant trips to Texas to ball. As of now we barely make ends meet; it was that way when we played only NCPA as well. Most programs are in our stage, barely making it work; so it would help everyone if the location was easy to drive to for the majority of people. If smaller programs can make nationals, then they can show their school something, then they will have money to play more regularly, and we will grow. How do most teams get their school and every1 else to notice them? Nationals. Thats how I found out about college paintball; I read about PSU winning nationals back when I was a freshmen in high school. Nationals is the only event we play that is nationally recognized; everything else is only noticed regionally./endrant

To some up this rant; the only way for us to grow is for more schools to play regularly. The only way for them to do that is for them to find sponsors, mainly their respective schools. And the only event that gains notoriety is Nationals; so the only way for us to grow is to make Nationals more accessible to more schools. Maybe in that demographic we should include income and whatnot; the schools with money will get shafted in this, but if we only get 2-3 more schools involved a year, then it is worth it is it not?


In doing that, we can not sacrifice the gurantee of good weather. If we move nationals to the center of the US and we get hit with nasty weather, then ALL the schools that are part of the league are getting hosed out of an event and the schools would not be too happy, so it wouldnt be worth to risk the league over trying to gain a smaller school that will probably just drop out after a year. IF a school wants to be part of the NCPA, they will find a way to fundraise and talk to the school to get money. If small schools like Saint Mary's can play the ncpa, anybody can.

[MuppetMaker]

If smaller programs can make nationals, then they can show their school something, then they will have money to play more regularly, and we will grow. How do most teams get their school and every1 else to notice them? Nationals.


We could lose every game, never shoot a person out, and not go to nationals and get the same crappy amount of money from our school as we do now. And we've been in the AA national championship game for 2 yrs in a row. Not every school falls into your logic FYI.

[Snido]

We could lose every game, never shoot a person out, and not go to nationals and get the same crappy amount of money from our school as we do now. And we've been in the AA national championship game for 2 yrs in a row. Not every school falls into your logic FYI.

As with any theory there are anomalies that can't be helped; most schools however will fall in line with this principal.

And I understand that weather is a concern for that area of the US; but surely we can find something more hospitable money wise then Texas.

Maybe we should even set up a rotation, have nationals in a different region every year; that way it is fair to every1. One in the NE, one in the SE, one near the W, and again in Texas. Something like that maybe?

[carr2jabar]

the northeast in april is a very, very bad idea unless we go inside, and alot of teams do not wanna go play nationals indoors

[pa1ntball 56]

northeast would be a horriable idea

only problem i had with nationals besides some pretty bad reffing on the AA fields, from watching and experencing it, was that the fields were too narrow, but its not like that played to anyone's advantage or disadvantage, we all played on the same field. besides on the far field, field 1 i believe, and a little bit on 2, the bunkers were closer to the start box, making some moves off the break a little easier, on the near side, it was no problem hitting d2 or even 3 off the break, when the far side, anything past one was risky

[Trix]

That'd be retarded (for the reasons already propounded on in this thread).

I can't read more than 2 pages of a thread that I haven't been involved in until like the 5th page.

[Deimus85]

I know that Drexel is looking into playing the local leagues this summer, as well as that IAO Replacement Xball tournament out at the All-American Park. Drexel is not doing this not only to sharpen up Drexel's paintball skills, but also to potentially gain more help from Drexel's outside sponsors (Del's Hobbies, KEE, Compulsive). The team already recieves enough help from Drexel, but getting better deals on gear, and putting the team's name out there more as not only a college paintball team, but a good overall team. There is no money in paintball. Unless you are sandbagging the fuck out of a tournament, or just a really really good team, all the hopes and dreams of grandeur are useless. Placing 2nd and 3rd, at even PSP or NPPL events is chickenshit, compared to the amount of money you have put into getting your team there. You might as well play for respect and pride rather than the hopes of winning prizes. And if you are going to drop out of the NCPA to play any other league, you are better off making your choice either the NPPL or PSP. The cost might be high, but at least you get to go on a mini-vacation to a different place every other month, rather than some bumblefuck hick ass paintball field like you would do in the CFOA.

The point I am trying to make is to build your program with your school so that you do not have to pay much to play. It is possible. Look at how many schools have done it. It is not going to just fall in your lap. You have to work hard with your funding board as well as the administration to put the name out there and show how good of an oppurtunity it is for them to get the school's name out there. You know how many kids from the internet ask me about Drexel's programs on a weekly basis? You would be suprised how many. That is what the school wants when they fund your school.

I don't know where I was going with this rant, but I think I touched on a couple points that we hear about year in and year out.

[Paintball Ace]

I know that Drexel is looking into playing the local leagues this summer, as well as that IAO Replacement Xball tournament out at the All-American Park. Drexel is not doing this not only to sharpen up Drexel's paintball skills, but also to potentially gain more help from Drexel's outside sponsors (Del's Hobbies, KEE, Compulsive). The team already recieves enough help from Drexel, but getting better deals on gear, and putting the team's name out there more as not only a college paintball team, but a good overall team. There is no money in paintball. Unless you are sandbagging the fuck out of a tournament, or just a really really good team, all the hopes and dreams of grandeur are useless. Placing 2nd and 3rd, at even PSP or NPPL events is chickenshit, compared to the amount of money you have put into getting your team there. You might as well play for respect and pride rather than the hopes of winning prizes. And if you are going to drop out of the NCPA to play any other league, you are better off making your choice either the NPPL or PSP. The cost might be high, but at least you get to go on a mini-vacation to a different place every other month, rather than some bumblefuck hick ass paintball field like you would do in the CFOA.

The point I am trying to make is to build your program with your school so that you do not have to pay much to play. It is possible. Look at how many schools have done it. It is not going to just fall in your lap. You have to work hard with your funding board as well as the administration to put the name out there and show how good of an oppurtunity it is for them to get the school's name out there. You know how many kids from the internet ask me about Drexel's programs on a weekly basis? You would be suprised how many. That is what the school wants when they fund your school.

I don't know where I was going with this rant, but I think I touched on a couple points that we hear about year in and year out.


The points you are making in this rant are the exact reason we have a team playing in the CFOA. We have never even considered dropping out of the NCPA entirely, yet having one team to play CFOA and next year hopefully have at least one dedicated team to play a season of NCPA and hopefully go to nationals. Given that, I would like nationals to be the best event it can possibly be for my players that hopefully will attend it next year. Over the numbers have dropped significantly since the move from Orlando, from 50 and 40 class AA teams in Orlando, to 25 teams in Dallas. If people are complaining and there is a low turnout, then maybe we should consider a new location. That being said, if it is in Dallas again, we will try to send a team to compete, but with the people complaining and low turnout, then a new location seems like a very valid idea to me. Besides, the weather in Charlotte isn't bad in April, and it's actually less likely to rain in April in Charlotte than Dallas if you look at averages.

http://weather.msn.com/daily_averages.aspx?wealocations=wc:USNC0121&weai=4

http://weather.msn.com/daily_averages.aspx?wealocations=wc:USTX0327&weai=4

You can't say it rains all the time in April just because it rained during the weekend that MAO was. Just as much of a chance if not greater for rain in Dallas than Charlotte, looking at statistics. So if you want an excuse not to do it in Charlotte then don't use the weather as one.

This isn't even me lobbying for a close location so I can drive because I more than likely won't even be attending nationals next year, but I'm just trying to achieve the biggest turnout we possibly can on well-kept regulation size X-Ball fields. While it seems the 2 years Nationals has been at Dallas it's been OK, but it appears College Nationals has seen better days, and those days were not in Dallas, TX.


This is straight out of the Captain's mouth. While Snido has his own opinions about the matter, this is the truth behind what the Virginia Tech Paintball team feels as a whole about College Nationals.

[raehl]

Charlotte wasn't that bad. Yes, it rained, but it can rain anywhere, anytime.

The difference between Charlotte and Chicago in April is that in Charlotte, when it rains, it's at least 60 degrees out. In Chicago, it could be 45 degrees out. That major sucks.


Dallas is a great location. We have some issues to improve on next year (particularly the field dimensions) and will also be exercising due diligence and bidding out the event location in the next month or two here.


- Chris

[Snido]

This is straight out of the Captain's mouth. While Snido has his own opinions about the matter, this is the truth behind what the Virginia Tech Paintball team feels as a whole about College Nationals.

Yea make sure you pay attention the that part; I'm just throwing ideas out there, so don't take my word as theirs. :P

[Skipperdawg]

PBC was exactly what I was thinking, should be good weather for that time of the year and they have all the fields you need.

[Deimus85]

PBC was exactly what I was thinking, should be good weather for that time of the year and they have all the fields you need.

no way in hell am i dealing with that travel soccer program at PBC again.

[Paintball Ace]

no way in hell am i dealing with that travel soccer program at PBC again.

What are you talking about?

[DrexelSquirrel]

lol, Gridlock moms

I never really liked the idea of having the event at a paintball field. We should try somewhere more exposed to people other than those who already play paintball, however that would probably cost more money.

[Deimus85]

What are you talking about?

Gridlock.

[Snido]

lol, Gridlock moms
lmao

[griffon252]

Wow, I need to read this thread more often. If people decide for nationals to be in orlando then I can personally guarantee an excellent field for it to be held at. Hypersports Paintball Park is in Orlando. It is wide open, they have 3 fields. One is brand new. Right now Strange was there, which was pretty cool. But, this is the field where teams go to practice for Cup. It is in Orlando, so the teams from out of town can go meet Mickey or drink wherever. The owner is awesome to deal with (I am working with him right now to organize a fundraiser tourney there), and their staff is awesome. I am not trying to play up the idea for having nationals in orlando because it is in our back yard, this is just a great location to do it. Heck it is near the airport as well. The planes do fly by which is great when we are working on communication with the new guys ;) All in all if Chris, you want me to work with you in this later on let me know and I will help you out as a local contact.

[Gakmaster]

yall should come back to dallas again!!! it was awsome to have yall here plus you can have all the pod whores you want. like me.....SUPER WHORE!!!!! ask rutgers and drexel about my mad pod whoreing skillage. plus it gave me a reason to miss out on school and help yall out. its also the only big tourney we have had out our way in a long time. well i guess i should say ever! plus the weather is great and we have multiple fields to play on and space for people to set up there gear. and the field is about 10 minutes away from DFW airport. and that meen there are more hotels then the eye can see. i for one would sacrifice my house for a team to stay at to save the cost of a hotel. plus we have WALMART......... just my 2 cents

[griffon252]

lol, since walmart is pretty much taking over the world then I know that anywhere nationals is there will be a walmart.

[ckmobman2041]

xdrenaline has just rebuilt all of their airball fields
5 field built to aquire PSP or NPPL layouts
there are netted tunnels between every field and i believe there are air stations at every field (4500)

[cplach]

i wouldn't mind going back there but it'd be nice to know soon so players can try to get the cheapest airfare possible whenever flights and what not are scheduled.