Broken Golden Member

[Botto88]

Hey everyone, i got a problem. My quest had recently started to suck. In other words i start ripping my gun and while i am ripping, my gun starts to like "skip a beat" like it would kinda sputter? Something along those lines and like shoot fine 1 -2 -3 shots slow as soon as i rip on semi my gun as i stated starts to "skip shots". So i bring it to one of my friends that is a tech for NPS and he dry fires it a little. After a few shots, my gold member just snaps! A clean break right on the second from the back o-ring. Now, i thought i read about this problem before however i forget what to do. Now do you know what i am talking about and can anyone tell me what to do about it?

[Blackrain7557]

send it in to FEP and they will replace it

[Botto88]

Yeah, we put a new gold member in it and it still "skips a beat" .

[Blackrain7557]

skip shots? unless the eyes are off and your using a gravity feed it shouldnt do that...what gen quest do you have? cause the eye delay on the was boards may be causing a problem...and you have at least a halo right?

[Botto88]

I have a gen 3 i think. Not positive, i know its at least a 2. And the eyes are on, and i have a halo with rip which should be fine. It just started to do this it hasn't before. I cleaned the eyes and the entire gun basically. I noticed though that there is a lot of wear near the breach and at the front of the bolt. Like they were rubbing really hard against each other. I have no idea what that means but am guessing that has something to do with it. Any ideas?

[Faffi]

My GM Bolt also has some weird signs of wear near the front of the bolt, it looks like someone took a white crayon and drew small lines straight down the 1/2 an inch from th front of the bolt.

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My GM Bolt also has some weird signs of wear near the front of the bolt, it looks like someone took a white crayon and drew small lines straight down the 1/2 an inch from th front of the bolt.

thats the anno wearing off due to it passing by the sometimes sharp gap in the feedneck, this is normal

[Botto88]

Ok, so can anyone tell me why my gun is like skipping shots? And why my goldmember just broke while dry firing? I can post a picture later today, maybe. It is in NPS's tech room at the moment. They might have thrown out the bolt. However i might be able to upload a video if possible of it "skipping a beat."

[Faffi]

thats the anno wearing off due to it passing by the sometimes sharp gap in the feedneck, this is normal

That makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside :tup:

[pber13]

check batteries on both gun and hopper just to be safe...maybe try a reset to factory default of board settings?

[Botto88]

I put new batteries in every place i could. I am going to reset to default setting tomorrow and then if that doesnt work. I will have to contact FEP.

[Schweinmesser]

skip a beat? i think mine has somewhat the same problem. i'm not sure, but mine burped (excellent technical term) a few times when shooting fast/ripping/whatever. it burped during LAO, which sucked, and when it burps, it chops a ball. from there, it's game over. the refs pulled my gun because they thought i was shooting over 15bps, but it was chopping/burping/skipping like mad after the first chop.
i've read somewhere that the eye logic on the WAS board, i have a gen3, are not that great. of course i read it somewhere on the internet so take that with a grain of salt. anyways with that said, i'm wondering if the eye logic is causing this issue.
anyone else with WAS boards having this strange issue? anybody that doesn't have a WAS board having this strange issue? i've ordered a new board with a company name that we don't mention, starts with a V. i'll have to do some testing once i have it installed and stuff...

[Botto88]

Ok yeah, i have the same problem man. Let me know how that board works and if anything changes. Sounds exactly like my gun, once i start ripping, the gun starts to burp as you say and they its done after that.

[HarryBalzak]

"Skipping" happened to me for about a half a case and was driving me nuts. I tried a bunch of things to fix it. When I changed the orings on the bolt it stopped for a bit. I took the bolt out and pulled the o rings. It was cracked about half way around. From what I have heard this is a normal symptom just before your bolt snaps. Maybe the second bolt is staring to go also?

[Schweinmesser]

hmmm...I'll check my O-rings tonight for any cracks or damage. I got my GM bolt when I bought my Quest. I've shot way over 15 cases thru her already. This problem started showing up at around case 5.
If the O-rings are fine, I'll still keep them in. I will still install the new board when I get it and test. whatever this problem is it's driving me nutz and i want it to go away, hehe.

[Blackrain7557]

check the Bolt for cracks too...not just orings......

[Schweinmesser]

yeah, I'll check for cracks too...thanks! i'll let ya'll know.

[Schweinmesser]

ok, I checked my o-rings and they are all fine. no signs of any o-ring cracks or damages or dry-rot.
i also checked the GM bolt, no signs of any cracks and no scratches anywhere on the bolt.

[Botto88]

Yeah my goldmember broke in half. I replaced it, with a brand new one. Still having the problem. No idea why..

[Blackrain7557]

ive had problems where my gun starts chopping randomly but never skipped a shot (pulse w/ r.f FTW) anyways...so it shoots fine then nothing then it shoots? thats odd that its messing with a halo...um, try to clean the eyes and breech, make sure the hopper is feeding correctly and make sure your barrel is in tight...also check your detents...if they are messed up it could be a problem

after all of that call FEP and explain...they might have an answer...

[Botto88]

I sent in my gun today. Will be at FEP hopefully by Monday. I hope i got the right address down. At Suite #204 right?

[Schweinmesser]

I sent in my gun today. Will be at FEP hopefully by Monday. I hope i got the right address down. At Suite #204 right?


cool, it would be interesting to see what they say. my ****** board is on the way. i'll let ya'll know how that goes.

[Botto88]

Nice, i didnt even know they sold for quests. Def. let me know hah

[Schweinmesser]

well, i put the new ****** board in and i have practice this coming Sunday. i'll let you all know if she burps/skips/whatevers....on my WAS board i was running 10 on the dwell. i set the new board to 10 also. we'll see what we'll see...l8r

[sc0ttyb0y]

try raising the dwell 2-3

[Blackrain7557]

stock dwell is 8...ten should be fine

[Botto88]

Yeah man, let me know how it rips!

[Schweinmesser]

Yeah man, let me know how it rips!

Ok, so I got the chance to use the quest with the ****** board in it. I have it set on PSP mode capped at 15bps. I set the dwell to 10 and left the other settings default. Took it to the chrono and it chopped off the bat as soon as it started ramping. It seems this was a straight chop and not a burp, as my previous problem. Once I got it cleaned up, I started tuning some of the settings. I changed the debounce, ABS, dropped the Dwell to 9, turned up the eye, and a couple of other settings. She started shooting well. I let her rip constant with 2-3 pods and a hopper during a game (speed feed on my Vlocity) and she didn't skip a beat. I still probably have some fine tuning to do on the settings but so far so good. l8r.

[Botto88]

Is the virtue easy to program? Still trigger setting?

[Schweinmesser]

Is the virtue easy to program? Still trigger setting?

Yes, very easy to program with the trigger.

[Botto88]

Is it worth it you think?

[Dirtyion]

only if you are having troubles with your stock board.

[Botto88]

Nah just wondering if the virtue really makes that much of a difference. Because i never really shot a quest with a virtue or any type of upp'ed board so i wouldn't know if it has any major effect or not.

[Dirtyion]

not worth it in my oppinion. unless you play with modes then maybe.

[Botto88]

Well at the moment at CCPL we can play with ramping, but i mean the WAS comes with capped ramping i just dont understand how it can help so much like people say it does. Trying to get an answer.

[Gailon]

Well at the moment at CCPL we can play with ramping, but i mean the WAS comes with capped ramping i just dont understand how it can help so much like people say it does. Trying to get an answer.

I thought CCPL was semi.

6.02 Trigger. A “trigger” is the moveable lever or button that comes in contact with the
finger. The contacts of a switch are not a trigger. A trigger pull requires an exertion of force by
the finger on the trigger and a release of force by the finger on the trigger during every shooting
cycle. Markers may shoot at any rate of fire, and may shoot any number of paintballs, provided
that it shoots in semi auto or pump mode only. This means that no more than one paintball may
be discharged during each shooting cycle of a trigger pull.

[Botto88]

Ok well yeah CCPL this year we are aloud to ramp.
And are you trying to say that its a waste or something..?

[Dirtyion]

i am. i bought board upgrades for my guns and never used the features.

[Gailon]

Ok well yeah CCPL this year we are aloud to ramp.

Ah looks like you might be right...we didnt' make it to event 1 so hadn't heard about the change.

[FallNAngel]

The WAS eye logic is crap. Most likely what's happening is the board is firing while the bolt is forward (or on it's way back), causing it to not make full cycles. Your best bet in that case is to raise your LPR pressure to get the bolt to move faster.

[Schweinmesser]

Is it worth it you think?

As FallNAngel has stated, "the WAS eye logic is crap." I got the ****** board in order to hopefully resolve the burping issue I was having. Since I had the WAS board, I couldn't get a chip fix. I was going to get a Lucky board, but ya'll know what happened to Lucky, which was not so lucky for US.
I'll know more, if it was worth the money, when I play with it more. If I'm smiling from ear to ear while just shooting ropes non-stop, I'll be happy.
Me happy = worth it.

BTW, I realized today that the battery was low. My DMM showed it was 7.6 volts. I popped in the some fresh batteries so she'll be ready for next time.

[FallNAngel]

Bah, drop the virtue board and get a Nox chip for the Lucky board. Better settings and support, plus it solved the bounce issues a lot of people had.

[rinso]

The Lucky board does not accept chips. I believe the ONLY board that accepts chips is the gen 2 board (maybe the gen 1 as well).

[HarryBalzak]

I believe Lucky did make the original "chip" board.