Who knows anything about armotech?

[gittmo]

Has anyone seen or used the realistic looking markers made by armotech? A lot of these markers are designed to look like real sub-guns and rifles. Has anyone used these markers, I'm just curious about performance and accuracy.

[punisher1984]

Go post this on forum.paintballarmory.com They know alot about armotechs their.

[ziggymarley]

check outpbreview (http://www.pbreview.com)
they only have reviews for the Zeus though

armory carries alot of the armotech stuff

[DeeEight]

for the mil-sim models at least. That';s what they're using for the receivers/bodies/grips for the WG65 and 75 models. That's why the right hand feed adapters are identical looking to VM68 ones !
The Zeus is a PT Enforcer variant which also came outta the same taiwanese factory.

[lynx888]

Although the Zeus is made in taiwan it is a much nicer sidearm than the PT Enforcer. It is very similar in design. The Zeus is a solid built gun, made to last and doesnt have any of the problems that the Enforcer has.

[TSF>Ghostwolf S.O.G.]

I am curious :confused: where you get the info about Armos being remolded Bruizers. I am a regular in the Armotech Forum (http://forum.armotech.com/) and my understanding is that all Armos are manufactured in France and are proprietary systems (that is to say that they aren't interchangeable with any other brand, partswise).

As for gittmo's query, I have a WG65-RIS on order. I've done a bit of research before making the decision to buy and what I can tell you is this... they are basicly stacked-tube blowbacks (albeit, very well built ones with a high degree of polish).

They are set up to run high velocity out of the box (300+fps) but a low velocity kit (280-285fps) is apparently in the works. The main tech/engineer for Armotech (Thomas) has also posted how to make the neccessary mods to the marker to achieve the lower velocity (it involves trimming a sping).

They are primarily metal construction, with some high impact plastic parts. They are on the heavy side for a marker but this is due to the fact that they are designed to be training tools for the police/military. They emulate the appearance, weight and kick of their real-world counterparts.

Regarding the models which have the RIS (Rail Interface System)... if it bolts to a real M16-M4 (or AR15) in the case of the 65s, or to an MP5 in the case of the 75 Series, it bolts right on to the WG. Which is cool for me, seeing as I'm saving to buy an AR15 next year.:D

Armo has various gadgets available and more on the way. Available now are scopes/sight rails (despite what some will undoubtedly say to the contrary, there is a useful place for scopes in paintball if you actually know how to dial one in), laser sights (ditto), flashlight kits (for those 26 hr. scenario games!), bipods (steady, boy. Steady!), a tactical drop handle (MP5 style, comes standard with RIS markers), and an electric triggerframe upgrade (double trigger, semi-3shot-full auto, which Thomas from Armo says will also be made available in single trigger soon for those people who want to retain an authentic look to their marker). Upcoming releases include a custom barrel upgrade (which includes a.... um... <whisper> silencer), the affore mentioned single trigger e-frame, a folding stock for the 75 Series (MP5s) and possibly an M203 grenade launcher that will mount underbarrel. A friend of mine and I are starting to develop some aftermarket upgrades as well (can't tell ya... not patented yet :dodgy: ). The company seems genuinely interested in wanting to hear and respond to customers' requests. I regularly hear from Richard (the owner) and Thomas (the chief engineer) in the posts at http://forum.armotech.com/.

I have a friend in MN (who is an Armo dealer -http://www.teamspecialforcespaintball.com -, and it's also his weapon of choice) who says he regularly pegs guys out to 100'+. I haven't seen it myself (yet... my Armo will be here soon), but knowing the kind of guy Maverick is, I have no reason to doubt him. If you're gonna buy one, you might wanna buy through him~ he really goes out of his way to take care of you. Tell 'im Ghostwolf sent you.

Armotech is fairly new to the states, but has been around in Europe for awhile. They've had a mess of problems here mainly because a hacker royally screwed up their phone system and they weren't quite expecting the overwhelming demand for their markers that they've got. They seem to be getting back on their feet, though.

Lastly, don't be surprised to hear alot of Armo dissing going on. The Impulse, Cocker, Mag etc. crowd seem to really hate these things, even though most (if not all) of them have never even held one. It really boils down to this... if you're looking for a really light, snazzy TOURNAMENT or SPEEDBALL marker, maybe you should go with a Mars EVO or an Imp. If you're looking for a scenarioball marker (or one that will just plain scare the bejeezus out of your buddies out in the woods) and don't mind the fact that it's not the absolute latest in paintball technology (although Thomas did kinda like the idea for putting ball sensing lasers in the breach to prevent chopping/doublefeeds), then Armotech is right for you. As for me, I got into paintball (in '85) because I've always liked playing soldier when I was a kid and that's how I approach paintball today... I'm putting together a Scenarioball team modeled after a CIA S.O.G. Unit. And as for the guys who say that using military terms, or approaching paintball in a military way gives the sport a bad name... get over it. If it makes you mad, why don't you come down into my little valley in your pretty pink and purple jerseys and try and lay some paint on me :evilgrin: Note: this last statement is honestly meant to poke a little fun at the Speedball boys. I really don't care what you wear or how you play... but you're still welcome to try:P

Anyway, I hope this helps.

ps. Would anyone mind if I posted some pictures of Armos that I got from Thomas/Richard here or would that be spamming?

[TSF>Ghostwolf S.O.G.]

OK, straight from the horse's mouth, they are made in Taiwan. Which isn't neccesarily a bad thing.

[brianhoopajoo]

you can tell its a bruizer sport. $90 base gun of the m-4 or whatever

[r/c]

Amen Gostwolf!

[Pxaxnxzxexr]

I've taken apart an Armotech marker, and it's just a decorated stacked bolt blow-back. It'll shoot like a spyder/piranah. It's parts probably aren't interchangeable with a spyder's but it's core design is exactly the same.

I highly recommend that you not purchase a marker designed to look like an assault rifle. People have been killed by police for having cap guns, or even slightly realistic water pistols. Mistakes can happen, and they do. Making paintball guns look realistic promotes a bad image for paintball, and gives a lot of people that aren't going to take the time to look into the sport, the wrong impression about what we do, how we play, and what we're about.

On top of all of that. They're waaaay over-priced for just a spyder. And the armotech that I pulled apart, wasn't made that well.

Panzer

[Pxaxnxzxexr]

By the way. There is an Armotech section. Maybe a mod could move this thread to where it belongs?

Panzer

[SNiPER FiRE 7]

errrrrr...your in it dork..

[Masterjts]

a moderator move this thread, it was located in a different forum befor today.

[[DeCaY]_Spy-_]

Thx dierwolf i saw what he put and was bout to shut him up. but u did thx for saving my time and all other armo owners. unfortunatly i wont b an armo owner anymore. Im selling mine w/ everything i own for it. If yur interested in buying 1 just email me.

[snipeman]

hey decay wuts up. oh Anyway, I own a MARS LT and I really enjoy it.... So i don't know what everyone else is talking about. I guess its just the marker that you get....

[pbfreak010]

I know about armotechs!!!!!! THEY F****ing SUCK!!!!

[[DeCaY]_Spy-_]

no they dont u stupid putea. O and im not selling mine cuz i want to its just that i joined a team and if i want to win sum tourneys i need sumthing faster i hate 2 depart with it so if any1 is interested u can email me. It comes with like alot of stuff.

[PaintballPunk132]

actually dude, they DO suck! ive seen them in action. they are slow, and gay, and way too long! so unless you are a hick, dont buy this gun, go buy a real PAINTBALL gun for the same price. unless you want to buy a ******* gun for around $600, dont get this, go buy something else. this dude probably just realized that these guns a dumb, so he decided to be cool and buy a tourney gun. all i gotta say is, welcome to paintball dude, cause before you weren't playing paintball, you were playing AMRY men. not naked army men in the shower like i do, but..... oh who cares, cause you are cool now.

[Chimera]

dont buy from paintball armory.com i waited for 2 months for a gun to get in stock and still nothing...buy from tacticalmarkers.com

[[DeCaY]_Spy-_]

No truth is i luv the woods. But i also like speedball. but in order 2 keep up with other tourney players i need sumthing faster. and these markers arent gay or slow. I've taken out angels and ****. Actually its a good marker. Since i have a smart parts all american barrel for it. it isnt that long. Also its super accurate with the new barrel. I've taken out backman with this marker. I'd hate 2 part with it. If no1 gives me good deal. I'll b glad 2 keep it. And use it 4 a scenario game.

[Masterjts]

Originally posted by PaintballPunk132
actually dude, they DO suck! ive seen them in action. they are slow, and gay, and way too long! so unless you are a hick, dont buy this gun, go buy a real PAINTBALL gun for the same price. unless you want to buy a ******* gun for around $600, dont get this, go buy something else. this dude probably just realized that these guns a dumb, so he decided to be cool and buy a tourney gun. all i gotta say is, welcome to paintball dude, cause before you weren't playing paintball, you were playing AMRY men. not naked army men in the shower like i do, but..... oh who cares, cause you are cool now.

WTF?!?!

ok first let me address some false statements.

ive seen them in action. they are slow, and gay, and way too long!
i doubt you have seen one in action, they are not slow, and the simple fact that you used the word gay to discribe anything shows your age and mental capacity. the standard wg65 is not that much longer then your average pb markers. although the wg65a1 and a2 are longer, the longer barrel does not affect performance noticably. the length does get in the way of the movement of the marker if you have not practiced with anything of that size before. i can say this b/c i OWN a wg65a2.

so unless you are a hick, dont buy this gun, go buy a real PAINTBALL gun for the same price. unless you want to buy a ******* gun for around $600, dont get this, go buy something else.
a hick? not going to touch that statement. but the gun does not cost 600 unless you are refering to the wg65 RIS elite that comes with every upgrade that armotech makes... but i doubt you are that devious so i am just going to assume that you just dont know what your talking about. What exactly is a "real PAINTBALL gun" anyways? how about you express what your personal opinion is on this so that we can further judge your pb experience.

this dude probably just realized that these guns a dumb, so he decided to be cool and buy a tourney gun. all i gotta say is, welcome to paintball dude, cause before you weren't playing paintball, you were playing AMRY men.
read his response. remind me to welcome you to paintball when you FINALY come to your senses and realise that paintball can mean different things to different types of people. i hate to break this to you but the world does not revolve around you and your bias corrupt opinions of what paintball should be. it is a vast sport that encompasses many different aspects and i just hope that one day you may be old enough to understand this, both physicaly and mentaly.

not naked army men in the shower like i do, but..... oh who cares, cause you are cool now.
again i rephrase my opening statement. WTF!?!?

[PaintballPunk132]

all right dude, chill out!!! half the stuff i said was just to be funny or to piss people off. next, i have seen one in action! a dude at my field bought one. he got the one that looks like an M16. that one IS too long, and it does suck, especially when you can just spend $50 dollars more and get a trix, or go $100 cheaper and get an impy. now when i said gay, sorry if that offended you and your kind. next time i will say dumb instead. another thing, my opinions may be biased, but they are definetly not corrupt. when people first see or hear about paintball, they automatically think army dudes. if they see one of these armotechs, they will have even more evidence of their first observation. all i really wanna say is that i dislike armotech and what it stands for. and when i said that i play naked army men in the shower, well i would think that you would be ok with me saying this on account of you were offended or whatever when i said gay to describe the gun. so just chill dude!

[insanchef]

i usaed to run a paintball store in Ny and we had Armotech come in a give us a demo with these markers. i have fired most of them. if you have ever seen the M-4 , they are the same company. the markers look great but are mostly plastic and are heavy, that is with no tank or hopper. they are mainly used for looks . they shoot ok but are hard to adjust the velocity. the grips on the subgun replicas and rifles replicas are cheap plastic with a "safety" that doestn work . in general for the price of them i would rather take a handful of paint and throw it you instead. their accuracy is only good on a sunny day about 75 degrees and no humitity, anything anything other than that it shoot like crap.

[Masterjts]

paintballpunk, nothing you have said has offended me. although, i do feel that i have lost the 5 min of my life it took to read your response.

insanchef, the wg75 seriese of gun was pulled from the market b/c of defects (some of which you listed) the wg65 (m4 m16) are a standard open bolt system with a microhoned smooth bore barrel that is on par with the custom barrels of high end markers. that barrel comes stock with all wg65 models so there is no need to ever change your barrel.

i own a wg65a2 with a 20 inch barrel, that is 8 extra inches of drag on the gun and it can still group a 6in circle at 100ft with the velocity at 290 useing big ball paint. i do not believe i have ever taken it out on a sunny 75 degree day with no hunitity.

it is not a perfect gun, it is not a high end marker, but it is a great gun that shoots hard and accurate.

[pbfreak010]

The question i have is what is so cool about having a paintball gun that looks real? Let me guess you "SNIPE" right? Im sure those guns r great for sniping!!! I think that sniping is the best excuse to use when you want to hide from all the action because your ***** hurts to bad to play for real!!!!

[SynTek]

Regardless of what any of the anti-scenario gun people think, the people who look at paintball and think war will think that no matter how shiney and candy like your marker is. This lies in the fact that no matter how you try to gloss it over by saying things like "it's a form of tag" or whatever, you are still shooting projectiles at other people in an attempt to eleminate them from the game. Other sports definitly have their war metaphors, such as football where it can be compared to opposing armies clashing for control of a piece of land, but none so directly as paintball.

That aside, the Armotech guns fill a niche the same way the Intimidator or Angel fill one. On one end you have people who want to go to a scenario game and not have a candy coated electronic masterpiece, but rather a reliable if antiquated mechanical marker that closely resembles a real life gun. On the other you have guns that fill the orders from people who want a gun that shoots as fast as they can possibly pull the trigger and be terribly accurate while doing it. While there may be performance advantages in some cases for each, it boils down to a matter of personal preference.

[pbfreak010]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz................Sor ry what was that i just fell asleep!!:O :O :O

[SynTek]

Pbfreak, I think you need to come to terms with a fact about paintball that you obviously don't like. People don't play it the same way. In any situation there may be a dozen ways to go about winning the game. This may invovle tearing up the tapeline and blowing open the game with a well executed bunker or crossfield shot. It may just as well involve low crawling through thick brush for 50 yards. Now it just so happens that I am not the kind of person to sit around at the back and wait for an oportunity to pick off some hapless opponent. I'd rather take the game to their doorstep, and thus I use a mag because of its very compact size. But does that make my approach any less valid than the next guys? Just because it seems lame and boring to us doesn't mean it isn't the peak of excitement for the year for the next guy. If you don't like a person for the way he plays, then don't play with him, or better yet, beat the stuffing out of him for a few games until he sees the error of his ways. But hating someone because their gun has a few consmetic plastic pieces added is shallow and lame.

[pbfreak010]

Ok shooting a mag is cool I Shoot one too, and your style of play is cool too. Sooo then you of all people should realize that armotechs and sniping is considered real paintball its for scenario play and woods ball? Y do u agree with these people then?

[Firedude]

Who cares what a person uses?!? As long as there out there playing...We've all seen guys with the latest, best, fastest marker, taken out with a guy with a cheap gun. Its the player (though a great gun helps).

I've seen and shot Armotechs at www.opsgear.com, and they shot great.....its all in what your into.

Play....thats what matters.

[[DeCaY]_Spy-_]

Thank you Theres quote i like 2 use ( Its the person who makes the marker, not the marker who makes the person)

[pbfreak010]

I never said that if you dont have a 2000 dollar gun then you suck. Look at me i shoot a mag my whole setup only cost around 600. Im just saying that Armotechs and all these so called "snipers" are stupid!!!

[Masterjts]

Main Entry: 2snipe
Function: intransitive verb
Inflected Form(s): sniped; snip·ing
Date: 1832
1 : to shoot at exposed individuals (as of an enemy's forces) from a usually concealed point of vantage

it is possible to be a sniper in paintball. it may have a bad connotation but everytime you fire your paintball gun (be it an armotech or a automag) from a concealed position (be it a bunker or debris) you are being a sniper.

now if you believe that is, and i quote, "stupid" then maybe you are in the wrong sport. b/c haveing the advantage one the field is EXACTLY what every good paintball team tries to do. what is the definition of being a "stupid" sniper again?

1 : to shoot at exposed individuals (as of an enemy's forces) from a usually concealed point of vantage

by your own definition you are "stupid" as is everyone else to has the mentality to make vague sweaping statements about things they do not understand!

[tgarza]

Very well said.

[PHSBaseball09]

personnally my brother likes to go do the sniping thing but im a more of a head on firefight person and i like the wg 65 because i have plans after college to join the marines so a gun that i as realistic to the one i hopefully i will be using one day is just that more training ive had

[Cenic]

wel i know i love my WG-65 and aint had near the problems i have with other major speedball markers.
in fact i have played speedball with it and didn't have a lick of trouble! in fact i took out some long ballers ie Angel, Tippman A-5flatline, cocker users. If you have doubts i will be at Bridge too Far and Battle for Berlin come see a wg-65 in action and decde for yourself. i will even let you fire it yourself. In Fact my sponsor will be taking his trailer to Battle For Berlin and will have some on it. And will gladly answer any questions you have as will any member of TeamTacticalMarkers.com

[rfsutcl]

Naked army men in the shower? Sounds to me like you are playing "hide the salami" not paintball

[Cenic]

well i do not do alot of sniping but i can. I am ussually the one that is sneaking up on you adn coming in from your blind spot and says "HEY" you want to surrender? or get hit at 10 feet? And in speedball the armotech does compare when it is the hands of someone that is used to having a rifle in their hands in Combat situations.

[dracconic]

ok let me say this much i am a WG-65 user and my pefered style of play for Rec ball, woodball, scenario, and mil sims is as a sniper. Cenic is a team mate of mine. For the dif types of games i have used it in my WG has worked flawless for me. I started off with a Tippman Custom 98 a few yrs ago using a 14 inch barrell and learned to long ball with it and usually am the backman on speedball with it or the armotech. I really enjoy my WG however we are focusing on Scenario and mil-sim games cuz that is the play style we enjoy. Speedball is fun but you see where your opponent is mostly you can follow their movement adn heck if you watch some teams always make the same moves on speedball so all you have to do is learn that and their is an easy target for you. Scenario and mil-sim games are exactly what they say they give you a situation and you handle it or you are simulating military combat. I get a kick out of sneaking around people and getting set up to where they get marked and all they hear is one maybe 2 paintballs fired and they arent sure where it came from exactly and even if they did you will be gone when they get there. Or to just find an ideal spot to "dig in" and conceal yourself really well and then take out several people that are moving together cuz they cant see you and you just start picking them off, maybe its twisted but it can be fun to watch them get paranoid wondering where they can hid esearching almost frantically to find you only to feel the sting of a paintball breaking on them.
Yeha the glam guns are cool they work really good for speedball aint bad for simes except they stand out really good but like it has been said what you use depends on your playstyle, your preference of game style, and what might work for what you are doing at the time.

Armos are a good gun highly accurate pretty consistent, and sweet lookign for mil sim player. An d as far as the look giving paintball a bad name that is jacked the looks ar part of waht attracts people whether its a glam gun or some thing like an armo. If you are worried about the sport gettign a bad name then focus on the idiots buying the guns at wal mart or soem where similar anbd going out shooting people on the street for ne reason with no warning, they are what will give the spart a bad name.

[astainless]

Masterjts I just have to say, Thank you.

I haven't been on this forum long but it seems that almost everyone here is a speedball freak that feels the need to lob a case per kill, and alot of them just post either what they hear from other people which is also probably made up, or just make up BS to make themselves seem like they know alot. They also seem to have this obsession with making paintball in there own image and want all PB markers to look like ray guns from Mars (look at a cocker or spyder or angel, and you can't tell me they don't look like something you would expect to see on StarTrek.). As for PaintballPunk132, it's obvious he's probably about all of 12 years old.

As for ArmoTech, They are mostly modified copies of Spyders and Tippmanns. The ZEUS for example is a Stubby spyder with a shortened hammer and custom charging handle. If you have a G2 you can actually put the spyder electronic trigger frame on it if you put a strong trip sear spring in it. I have 2 G2's and I had 2 G1's, so I can tell you they are Spyder Clones with a lot of modifications. The M16 style models are Spyders, and the MP5's are Tippmann 98's. I am not sure about part interchanceability of the larger models, but the select fire versions of the M16 (M4 etc.) models use spyder electronic triggers.

From what I hear they do get in the way a bit on a speedball field until you get use to the extra few inches, but to adapt shouldn't take you any longer then it would to adjust to a new gun anyway.

[PaintballPunk132]

actually astainless, im 16 biach!!! two, there is a reason to shooting lots of paint, its so the paint is grouped tightly so people cant run through a group of paint. it is strategy moron. two, STFU. lol.

[PaintballPunk132]

actually astainless, im 16 biach!!! two, there is a reason to shooting lots of paint, its so the paint is grouped tightly so people cant run through a group of paint. it is strategy moron. two, STFU. lol.

[pbfreak010]

paintball punk i think we got ur point the first time..idiot:P

[rfsutcl]

Some people don't need to shoot 50 paintballs at one person to keep them down or hit them.:cool:

[astainless]

LOL. Stradigy! Ha. Oh look at me, I use 2000 rounds to hit 1 person, I am Mr. Speedball. Ohh I am 12 years old and I can't aim for **** so I have to spray like crazy! On and my gun is so shiny, it all kinds of valves and doo hickys that allow it to shoot 1000 BPS, woohooo!

[pbfreak010]

Originally posted by astainless
LOL. Stradigy! Ha. Oh look at me, I use 2000 rounds to hit 1 person, I am Mr. Speedball. Ohh I am 12 years old and I can't aim for **** so I have to spray like crazy! On and my gun is so shiny, it all kinds of valves and doo hickys that allow it to shoot 1000 BPS, woohooo!

what you just said that is they way about %70 of people play paintball!!! so im not sure you wanna start anything there!

[Cenic]

omg i don't waste that much paint to hit someoen if i am trying to get someone on a break or ahead of them 10 balls is plenty.

[astainless]

Hehe, yeah it was an over exadration (how ever it's spelled), however I did see a few kids who went through 1000 rounds in a 3 min game and didn't tag anyone. I see that alot unfortunetly.

I understand there are CQB skills in Speedball, I just don't see the point in the whole 20bps battery powered spray hosing that I see alot of people doing. If I am on a speedball field I do like you (Cenic), 10 is the most, I ususally keep it in 3 to 5 range. I am not bashing speedball per say, it is very fun. I know some of the Jesters here in Jersey, and they would be the first I would pick in any type of CQB game. I just don't like the additude alot of SB players have about how great speedball is and how woodsball sucks and how everyone should only play speedball. If you scroll through the forums you see it alot. As you can see with PB freaks responce, he thinks that the majority of players are SB players. That must be why 1700+ people showed up for D-Day at skirmish, a big scenario game. If you look across the board, I'd say about 45% of PB players are woods only, 45% are speedbal only, and the other 10% switch back and forth. PBfreak010 you may be just in an area where speedball rules the fields, out here there are alot more woodsball players. If you would grow up and see that people play diffrently and not everyone agrees with you, and you can learn to respect that, maybe alot more people wouldn't think you are such an annoying little ****. I personaly prefer woods (which is how it all started) to SB, but I switch back and forth to what ever game is being played. I like SB once in a while, I just think it's a waist of paint for the most part, but I can still respect SB player. When I play SB I uses a hopper maybe a hopper and 1/2 if I am a front man, It's just ***** like you pbfreak010, that I can't tollerate. People who think the world should revolve around the way they play, and only what they think is right. In closing I would just like to say, grow up and learn to respect other peoples styles of play and maybe you will get some friends.

[rfsutcl]

I'm a rec ball player so I play whatever style of paintball is at the field I'm at. It ranges from woods to speed or whatever is in between. Personally I prefer woods because the game is more varied then speed. But I enjoy both, after all it's all paintball and that’s what we all do. I'll throw the paint when necessary. But realistically speaking, the guy on the other team is going to keep his head down whether he has 2 paintballs going for his head or 30 for his general location.

[pbfreak010]

Originally posted by astainless
LOL. Stradigy! Ha. Oh look at me, I use 2000 rounds to hit 1 person, I am Mr. Speedball. Ohh I am 12 years old and I can't aim for **** so I have to spray like crazy! On and my gun is so shiny, it all kinds of valves and doo hickys that allow it to shoot 1000 BPS, woohooo!
^^^
Now whos bashing on whos type of play *****?????????
u r the biggest ****ing hypocryte i have ever met....
also when u said u use a hopper maybey a hopper and a half if u play front... its kind of obvious that you have no clue what so ever about paintball noob...... if u ever payed attention to any APG/ PB2X you would notice that backplayers cary around 12-14 pods while front players only carry 3 pods maybey a 4+3 so in your saying that you would prolly use more paint playin front than you would playin back then u must be a complete idiot..:crash: :crash:
ok 1700 people played at D-DAY whoopy frikin doo... how many teams play at World Cup/ IAO??????
Altho that doesnt matter because i never bashed woodsball infact i play it from time to time....... i bash idiots like you that think they snipe and that want to have some cool guy armotech...
so before u try to make ur self sound cool maybey you should read the previous post and try to say something a little more intelligent... if not then just STFU!!!:crash:

[astainless]

rfsutcl, that's a statement I can agree with on all points.

[pbfreak010]

BTW i only shoot about 1500 rounds a day... so how in the hell would i use 2000 rounds to hit one person...

[rfsutcl]

It's getting a little warm in here....

Ok now stand back to back, take ten paces, turn around and shoot... (paintballs.:D )... Whoever gets gogged first is the loser:cool:

[pbfreak010]

Originally posted by rfsutcl
It's getting a little warm in here....

Ok now stand back to back, take ten paces, turn around and shoot... (paintballs.:D )... Whoever gets gogged first is the loser:cool:

sounds good lol:tup: it will be close since i shoot 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 999999999999999999 cases of paint just to get one kill...and he is a "sniper" so 1 shot one kill... i dunno it would be close

[astainless]

First.

I use an AT85 or a Maverick, the only ArmoTech I have are 2 ZEUS G2 pistols. Let's do the math, A hopper on an AT85 is a quick chance foward loader. This foward loader holds 55 rounds. If I use a hopper to a hopper and 1/2 that means at most I use 75, let's say I go crazy and use 2 hoppers, that's 110 rounds. 110 rounds is 1/2 of a standard hoppers capicity.

2nd I never said you would use more paint in the front then the back. The back guy is the spray machine that keeps heads down at a distance so the front players can move with out getting nailed. I have been playing this sport for years and I think I know how this stuff works.

3rd, A basic 3 pod pack at 140 a pod (140 pods seem more comon then the 100 for most speedball players) = 420 rounds. Even if I used a standard hopper at 200 rounds, and I used 1 to 1/2 hoppers then I am only using 1 reload pod and have alot of extra ammo left because I would be shooting around 300 total shots. But like I said, I use an AT85 when I play speedball and I use 1 to 1 1/2 hoppers totaling about 75 to 80 rounds, and that is with alot of cover fire. As rfsutcl pointed out, a person can be bunkered weither it is 2 well placed shots or 30 sprayed ones. You only need them to hide there head for a second to gain an advantage.

4th, As far as sniping. I do snipe. Not many people espically people like you with your closed minded spray and prey only mentality can understand what that means, and alot of people just don't have the paitence or nerve for it. On large games (Scenario espically) as a sniper you can go for 30 minutes to an hour and not see any action, but when you do it's sweet. A paintball sniper is someone who concels himself from view, slowly moves in to position and takes 1 or 2 very well aimed shots to take out an oppent and keeps his position hidden while moving very slowly to the next one. Ghilie suits are a common tool of a paintball sniper because a paintball gun's accuracy range is not very far so you need to get very close to insure a good clean single mark shot. I can get 20oz soad bottles with my AT85 at a measured 87 feet with 1 shot 19 out of 20 times, but past that the group start to widen considerably, however it's enough to get the job done. I usually get to about 30 to 40 feet away before I consider taking a shot, and several people who uses similar stragities, myself included can be 5 feet away from you and you will never see it coming.

5th, ArmoTech's are nice guns if you really want to spend $500 for a Spyder or Tippmann clone that looks milsim, with mostly stock parts (execpt the barrel), but for that kind of money I would rather have a Phantom Stock, or a selectfire AT85, or save some cash and get an A5 with flatline. I don't think they are worth the cash for the cosmetic aspect alone. Now for example my AT85, I got it off Ebay for $280. It retails for over $600 w/ the starter kit. If I had to spend $600 on a gun I would get an AT85 before any other, then a tippman A5 (Sorry I just don't like batterues) then an autococker and trick it a bit. The AT85 fits all my needs. Yes it is a MilSim, it dosn't have a hopper like a standard gun, it has a foward loader and a mini warp system in the clip, it has mecanical select fire, and is the most accurate gun I have ever seen, including any Angel with barrel system, due to it's micro honed barrel and unisizer (which makes a peferect barrel to paint match no matter what type of paint you are using, as long as it is high quality. Mixed included). Anyway I am getting off track. The AT85 fits my needs and as such I would drop $600 on an AT85 before I would even thing about an Armotech M4. I have to agree with you that an Armotech rifle is a waist of money unless you just want the looks. I would take a stock spyder with freak barrel kit and a revy over a loaded $600 Armotech.

6th, If you read my post after that first "Oh look at me..." Qoute and could understand what it means, I said I was exaderting and acknoldged that SB players have CQB skills and that I just happen to see alot of spray and prey going on in the SB fields, espically with the newbies.

7th, I wasn't bashing Speedball or there players, but rather the newbies who spray from start to stop and your dumb *** for be a "the world revolves around me" type *** hole.

8th, I really wouldn't know how many teams play at the WC or IAO, because I don't follow them. You have to ask yourself a few questions though. I have seen a few of these games (dvd or tape at a store that the employies were watching, and I figured "sure why not?" and sat there and watched a few matches.). Haven't you ever noticed hot damn hostile everyone is? It's just a game, but someone gets tagged out and it's obscenity's flying everywhere! Where is the sportsman ship?
The 2nd question you have to ask yourself is Why are they here at the WC or IAO? It's not purly for fun. It's for the large Cash prizes and a chance at a either getting sponcered or getting a better deal and more free stuff. How many people do you think would show up at an IAO game if there wern't Thousands in prizes and they assured the players there would be no contracts one. It would cirtenly be a lot less people. D-Day is an example of people who want to play for fun. The only prizes awared where a few tippmanns and a random drawing for some other lower cost items. Almost everyone there was there to play for fun and where paying for it out of pocket, not because they thought they could win the money back and tons of prizes, and air time on TV, they where there to have fun. They walked in for a 2 day game, and walked out 2 days later, a few hundred dollars down, much happier, and had a lot more fun then most any of the people who go to those champion ship sporting events.

Maybe you should reflect on things before you start your babble postings.

[astainless]

You missed. Bang your dead. LOL

[pbfreak010]

Holy **** that was a long post!:evilgrin:

[PaintballPunk132]

:O :O :O :O :O zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
zzzzzzzzzzzzz
what was that, i fell asleep:O :O :O oh, i would waste you by the way, i would make you my little biach. lol, ths ths ths ths ths ths ths tsh tsh tsh sth ths ths ths tsh tsh tsh tsh tsh tsh tsh h tsh tsh tsh ths tsh tsh sh tsh tsh. i just shot u 2000 times,this dude astainless thinks that just cause someone plays speedball, they shoot a case a game. so since i play SB, then he got shot 2000 times.

[rfsutcl]

Basic jist.... Have fun playing PAINTBALL, not speedball, woodsball, airball, Xball....etc...etc.

Paintball is fun, when it's not fun anymore then I will no longer play. I will find some other sport more fitting of my age, like checkers.:D

[PaintballPunk132]

if i missed something in yer long @$$ post about u not thinking that about SB players, then tell me, cause i didnt feel like wasting time reading your post :D

[astainless]

Excactly. You are an *** and to conceaded to try and read anything that dosn't conform to your small minded little world. I have had enough of both of you punk and freak, so I will now no longer post a responce to you annoying little worthless *** posts.

[pbfreak010]

u go on ahead and do that!:evilgrin:

[dracconic]

Actually the team i play with just got back from a bridge to far where the Armotech guns were out firing A-5 users for range yeah there are similarities to other guns with the armos but if you really want to get down to it there are between most guns. The armos are highly accurate guns, very good ranged guns, very durable, and fit milsim and scenario play very well. Everyone is entitled to their opinions as far as what guns they liek and what style they like but when it comes down to it it is mostly all your skills that make the kills, and a little luck thrown in never hurts. and liek the man said its all paintball in the end have fun whatever style you ply using whatever guns you like. But in my opinion for what i like to play armos rule.