My settings seem off.

[paintballkid017]

Well, I played with my Quest for the first time on Friday. It shot great all day, no chops, no barrel breaks. However, my settings seem to be a little weird. I will list everything of importance:

Dwell: 8
LPR: 40/45
HPR? (Using a Sidewinder btw)
Tank: 03 Conquest- 410 psi going into Reg
Slick Honey
Urathane Bolt O-rings (Front and middle)


I am able to adjust my velocity through the Sidewinder, but consistency is not great at all. It seems to be decent, and then jump around. For instance: 269, 271, 274, 267, 298, 270, 264, 243, 265.. etc. This is using Spank paint in the stock .689 barrel.

I am attributing the inconsistancy to a few things. At first I thought it was because my LPR was too low, so I tried raising it. All the way up to 110, the readings were similar. I then thought it was becuase the gun has yet to be properly broken in. That could be it. Then, I maybe thought that it was because the paint is of mediocre quality, and probably isn't matching well with the 007.

So, I am not that upset with the velocity jumping, since there are multiple factors that can be causing it. However, efficiency seems to be not that great either. I do not have an exact figure, but I think its somewhere near 7 pods per 4000 psi. (68/4500) That equates to about 1100, and I was expecting a bit more. Again, I am not upset, as the gun isn't broken in.

Well, here's the biggest thing. I have no shootdown, no FSDO, and no problems at all running such a low LPR pressure, and a low dwell. Can anyone explain this? I am especially surprised, since the gun hasn't had more than 3 cases through it...

Well, It's not like I'm complaining about the LPR or anything, I'd just like an explanation.

Thanks everyone.

[ShockerGEEk]

Have you tried a new battery. A low battery will give you inconsistancy at the chrono. You will have some loss of efficientcy with a bad paint to bore match, but I dont think it will be as much as you have experienced. ALso did you use a synthetic lube for your sidewinder, or did you use your slick honey on it? The gun not being broken in will have some effect also.

[paintballkid017]

The Sidewinder was NIB when I used it, so I haven't a clue what they use.

The battery was very new. First time used also. Any reasoning as to why I can run my LPR so low?

[ShockerGEEk]

First on the sidewinder...do not use grease on it. Use only a 100%synthetic oil in it. Sometimes even new batteries, well arent really new. So you might need to try another one, or maybe two. With an LPR of 40-45psi, it should fire, you will just have a higher input on your HPR. Try uping your dwell to around 80-90 psi, and turn your HPR down and see if that helps. Turn your HPR down first.

[paintballkid017]

First on the sidewinder...do not use grease on it. Use only a 100%synthetic oil in it. Sometimes even new batteries, well arent really new. So you might need to try another one, or maybe two. With an LPR of 40-45psi, it should fire, you will just have a higher input on your HPR. Try uping your dwell to around 80-90 psi, and turn your HPR down and see if that helps. Turn your HPR down first.

Do you mean LPR? And, I tried the LPR/Dwell/HPR thing.. I got no better readings...

[ShockerGEEk]

Opps.. I meant LPR. Sorry about that. Trying to type and hold the baby at the same time. Your HPR is your inline reg. Turn it down, as it is more then likely set pretty high to compensate for the low LPR. So basically turn your LPR UP and turn your HPR DOWN

[paintballkid017]

What I'm saying is, I've tried that, in many combinations... And still the same thing.. So, I guess it's either the paint or the lack of breaking-in.

How come a lot of Quest Owners have to run their LPR at like 90 to get it to shoot without FSDO or shootdown, and mine does the same as low as 30. I havent tried lower than that..

[ShockerGEEk]

Im guessing that some can run theres that low because of manufactuing differences between guns. What will work on one gun, may not always work for every gun.
The only other thing I can think of would be a low battery for the inconsistancy.

[paintballkid017]

OK. Thanks.

[Bigpimper]

Hey put the stock REG BACK ON THE GUN!!!!!The reg is best for the marker...
set the lpr at 75,and the reg at 220,that will solve your problem...

[paintballkid017]

Bigpimper- Better than a Sidewinder? I guess I should trust you...

The thing is- the Macro placement really throws me off. What is the Stock Reg doing differently that it would perform better than a 'Winder. Also, how can I check my HPR pressure?

[paintballkid017]

Also, do you think that my Low LPR operation is due to the Sidewinder I'm using? I kinda like having it that low...

[Gailon]

Bigpimper- Better than a Sidewinder? I guess I should trust you...

The thing is- the Macro placement really throws me off. What is the Stock Reg doing differently that it would perform better than a 'Winder. Also, how can I check my HPR pressure?

BTW there's a reg with different macro placement in development =)

[paintballkid017]

BTW there's a reg with different macro placement in development =)

Yeah I've heard.. But that isn't going to help me for the Tourny next Sunday.

[KMA]

Put a large oring down over the threading on the stock reg and screw it in. It should alter the "resting" position and allow you to move the elbow back and out of the way a little bit.

You should definitely increase your LPR a bunch. We'd all like to run it that low, but it usually causes issues (as you've seen).

Example of new elbow position:

http://home.stny.rr.com/planetatv/bs_quest2.JPG

[paintballkid017]

The only real issue is a little inconsistancy, which didnt change when I upped the LPR...

[MstrKey]

you have to up the LPR and up the dwell. 8 is too low. Bump to 12, LPR around 75 or so and give that a try. If you're using the stock grease......it may be causing issues. Mix a tiny bit of oil with some grease then apply it or just use something else all together. Remember your NEW sidewinder has a break in period too, about 2-3 cases I imagine.

[paintballkid017]

you have to up the LPR and up the dwell. 8 is too low. Bump to 12, LPR around 75 or so and give that a try. If you're using the stock grease......it may be causing issues. Mix a tiny bit of oil with some grease then apply it or just use something else all together. Remember your NEW sidewinder has a break in period too, about 2-3 cases I imagine.

OK. I will try that. I used up all my air though.. And you are definitely right about the Sidewinder.

So, do you think I should keep the Sidewinder on there? Or just use the Stock reg? Thanks

[MstrKey]

Well since you already spent the money and you like the input on the bottom feature of the sidewinder I say use it. It's a great reg. I can't really say if it's better or worse than the the stock reg. All I do know is you'd be hard pressed to find a better low pressure reg than the sidewinder......aside from maybe a 2-liter or gladiator.
All you really need to do is step up to the chrony next time you're playing and shoot some strings with both regs. See what kind of results you get(once you've broken both in enough). Make sure you use the same barrel size and paint for each test.

[paintballkid017]

Yeah, OK. I will try that. I need to break the regs in thought, which takes a bit longer than I have. I have a practice on Saturday, and then a Tourny the next day. i figure it might get a little better after that practice.. But not much. Hopefully I will get a better paint and a better paint/barrel match.

[younggunna6898]

for your tourny, put the stock reg back in like big pimper said. And use the oring at the top to fix the macroline placement. I would listen to bigpimper, he knows what hes talking about.

[younggunna6898]

Hey put the stock REG BACK ON THE GUN!!!!!The reg is best for the marker...
set the lpr at 75,and the reg at 220,that will solve your problem...How do you check your hpr pressure? So I can put it at 220.

[LU_aDaK]

i think you can buy a gas throu adapter with a gauge. i had one on an older gun that didnt have an lpr.

[shortkidsrus]

You can put a guage in a extra ASA or on/off and just screw your reg into that to check the pressure.

[jeffreyjames]

i was wondering how to check it also. never thought about just stickin it on an asa with a gauge. course i have to unscrew the macro on the side of the reg to get it off and find a spare gauge(ive got a couple asa's) groovy! new doodad thingamajig for the parts/spares/tool kit.

[paintballkid017]

I could buy another reg.. Maybe a CP with a gauge port. That doesnt seem to be financially happy though.

[younggunna6898]

You can put a guage in a extra ASA or on/off and just screw your reg into that to check the pressure. i dont get what you mean. how does the airsource got to the reg if the reg is in the asa?

[jeffreyjames]

keep the reg hooked up to the tank like normal. just unscrew it from the gun and hook it up to an asa that has a gauge instead of a macro fitting. when you turn it on the reg output doesnt go anywhere but the gauge tells you what the pressure is.
or like adak said...you should be able to find a thru adaptor with a gauge port that you can screw on top of your reg and then screw it into the asa on the gun. just makes your reg a couple inches longer.
or as paintballkid pointed out....buy a reg with a gauge port.

[younggunna6898]

i got it now. Thanks for explaining