Dealing with cheaters

[automagsrule]

So what do you guys do to deal with cheaters? I usually play like i win by bunkering the punk. but some of the more brutal and vicious people at my field run a battery on their gun (if it's electro) or stick a quarter in their hopper then lights them up once it jams.

I was wondering what you guys did to wipers on your field. and no "i shoot them with lasers and light them on fire then dp them in acid and it has sharks and pirahnas in there too" kind of nonsense either.

[j7million]

This last Sunday we had some guys that were shooting hot. They were all high school guys and we played realized they were shooting hot, told them to turn it down, and played again. . . Then after game two they were still shooting hot so the biggest guy on the team went up and said "boys we're gonna have a talk" rubbing his bleeding had from a hot ball. . . Then they went and cronoed and they were hot: 305, 298, 301. They said it was ok to shoot 300 because it was the limit. . .so we said turn it down or play elsewhere. . . the said they turnned them down but we didn't play with them again . . . We just made fun of them the rest of the day, like one was cryin' because he got hurt from one of his buddy's hot balls. . ."I guess mommy and daddy are gonna have to kiss that boo boo" and "boy I wish mommy and daddy gave me that kinda money to be a big wuss". . . just stupid stuff.

But anywho, if I had it to do over again. . . which will prolly happen because they show up every once in a while. . . we've decided that when we play that if we get shot we're playin' like pros. . don't get called out by a ref, we ain't out. . . btw we don't have refs at our local field, only for partys and **** and there is like a $20 ref fee, screw that. So a few hot balls won't hurt as bad as we'll have enuff adriniline (sp) going through us after we empty a hopper and a few pods on them durning a bunkering *evil grin*

Also whipers. . . they can only whip so many. . . after you lite them up they can't whipe all of it or take all the pain. My favorite saying or quote "You can't whipe a welt"

//rant off

[j7million]

It's the fact that they purposfully shot as fast as they thought they could get away with. Also there are rules for a reason. For example, the limit is 300. Someone makes it right at 300, then the next person is 1fps over. .. big deal, and the person after him is 1 fps over that so we're up to 302 eventually the last person can be shooting 350 but it's ok because the person before him was only 349.


I was shooting 260+/- 10 any more and it's all over 320 one and 270 the next. . . I play fair so that was as close as I felt I needed, I also try to stay around 280. I'm on the far right of the field shootin' at their guy that is at the opposite spot from me. I'm guessing the field is 240 by 75 or somethin' like that. . . so that makes us 200+ feet apart. I can't lob a ball to him but his are zingin' my bunker!? I get shot in the sholder and it leaves a decent size black and blue spot! When I couldn't even come close to the guy!

Also we were there to play for fun, not to kill people. . . It's not like it is a tournie. So if they wanta try to kill people. . . they better remember paybacks are a *****.


Also, how do cronos work? If it is the kind you put your barrel on and shoot strait, does holding your gun above it and shooting the ground make a difference?

[j7million]

What does a few drops of oil do?

[j7million]

. . .It may be, but we were there to have fun not to shoot at the limit and hurt people. And considering we asked them once and they still wanta shoot hot, then I think that makes them more than deserving (sp?)

[Skofe]

When I see someone wipe, I dont get all worked up, because that just takes you out of the game.
I tell myself, that I will bunker this ****e out of that guy later on

[j7million]

Originally posted by Skofe
When I see someone wipe, I dont get all worked up, because that just takes you out of the game.
I tell myself, that I will bunker this ****e out of that guy later on

That is basicly what I'm gonna do, maybe a little more. . . agressive but about. Except my reasoning is them shooting hot after being asked to turn it down. . .




What are other peoples' methods for "dealing with cheaters"? Brute force as I'v demonstrated I prefer, communication, telling a ref or field owner?

[Skofe]

During the game, you could ask a ref to go watch that player, or after the game you could talk to the head ref.

Just dont let it get you upset during the game. I remember watching one guy get shot because he was screaming and yelling that a player was hit. The guy didnt even have his gun up.

[SquiDDy]

at my freinds teams pratice (some school rotc team acualy) anybody who does anything stupid like that gets firing squad, where everyone gets like 40 ft way and gets one shot.

[triple-c]

I usually play much more aggressively if I see someone wipe or not call themselves out, thus the opponent getting well deserved bonus balls.:D

If a player gets out on our team, they ref and pull players for us, or if a friend is not playing they ref for us.

Just ask people to turn their guns down. If they don't, just don't play with them and spread the word on the field. But please, 301 is no biggie, although I do recommend people to always shoot at 280fps unless they have a consistent and non-spiking gun as mine:devil: (sig)

[byoung4now]

Originally posted by j7million
This last Sunday we had some guys that were shooting hot. They were all high school guys and we played realized they were shooting hot, told them to turn it down, and played again. . . Then after game two they were still shooting hot so the biggest guy on the team went up and said "boys we're gonna have a talk" rubbing his bleeding had from a hot ball. . . Then they went and cronoed and they were hot: 305, 298, 301. They said it was ok to shoot 300 because it was the limit. . .so we said turn it down or play elsewhere. . . the said they turnned them down but we didn't play with them again . . . We just made fun of them the rest of the day, like one was cryin' because he got hurt from one of his buddy's hot balls. . ."I guess mommy and daddy are gonna have to kiss that boo boo" and "boy I wish mommy and daddy gave me that kinda money to be a big wuss". . . just stupid stuff.

But anywho, if I had it to do over again. . . which will prolly happen because they show up every once in a while. . . we've decided that when we play that if we get shot we're playin' like pros. . don't get called out by a ref, we ain't out. . . btw we don't have refs at our local field, only for partys and **** and there is like a $20 ref fee, screw that. So a few hot balls won't hurt as bad as we'll have enuff adriniline (sp) going through us after we empty a hopper and a few pods on them durning a bunkering *evil grin*

Also whipers. . . they can only whip so many. . . after you lite them up they can't whipe all of it or take all the pain. My favorite saying or quote "You can't whipe a welt"

//rant off

This should be easy to fix. You boys are playing with no ref. So the majority of the players make up the rules there. Make the rule to Chrono after every game. If your guns shoots hot. you have to sit out the next game. This will make players turn thier guns to 295 to be safe after the game. Usually the player only has to sit out one or two games before they catch on about hot guns.

[luckypaintball]

the only way to is just shoot them as much as you can in the shortest time possible
do it to everyone, not just ppl u kno do it cause most players will simply play on with one hit if it is not extremely obvious, so like i said shoot em as much as you can, without making yourself a target for a long time

[automagsrule]

I do the firing squad thing when we are practising, except its from 15 feet (manufacture says no closer, so we are following rules) and we see who can empty their hopper and all their pods the fastest on the cheater. No one cheats more than once on my team. How do you guys deal with other forms of chetaing? Stuff like shooting hot (more then 1 fps, thank you) and stacking the dead box and turning on full auto during a game? how do you guys deal with that? Cuz all my team can do is try to play though it, but that is getting harder and harder it seems as more and more teams depend on cheating. It especially sucks when you are the best team in your area and no one gives you any slack and makes up every excuse in the world why they cheated and you still got them and then rubs it in your face when their cheating *** gets lucky and a stray ball hits you.

recap: how do you deal with other forms of cheating. I can't do the paintball oil thing at tourneis cuz everyone's suspicous of me since I've pulled the quarter in the hopper trick. I could still try running the magnet over their LCD, but if I get caught I will owe someone a new gun. So waht do you guys do?

[alt01]

I do the firing squad thing when we are practising, except its from 15 feet (manufacture says no closer, so we are following rules) and we see who can empty their hopper and all their pods the fastest on the cheater.

First of all, this is obviously a lie as nobody would stand and take 200+ shots from 15 feet, much less that and your pods.

Second, if people are cheating in practice then just don't play with them, nobody is forcing you to deal with these people.

[automagsrule]

Okay, we usually do it until they fall down or start screaming or something that shows they are in obvious pain.

Right now our field is in a "season" that wont allow you to add players to your roster, so if someone was ever kicked off the we would have to play man down (we only have 5 right now), and we are relying on finishing in a money spot so we have a clear shot at a sponsership. So we cant afford to kick a player off.

[herlidog]

my friend, simple solution, they whipe.... shot em again.

[FreeTriall2002]

Originally posted by herlidog
my friend, simple solution, they whipe.... shot em again.

I agree.

As to the hot gun cheating, just bonus ball, and tell them WHY you overshot 'em. They'll generally stop after the 14th/15th hit in a game. Also, I liked somebody's idea of chronoing after the game, and making them sit if they have a hot gun. Shows restraint and low tolerance for cheaters.

[Rios_creos]

Originally posted by j7million
Also, how do cronos work? If it is the kind you put your barrel on and shoot strait, does holding your gun above it and shooting the ground make a difference?

ok. in order to use a chrono correctly, you must have the barrel of the gun, and thus, the gun itself; parallel to the ground. if the barrel is pointed up or down, you could be cheating the chrono of up to 15 fps.


also for all of you that said 301 isn't bad. it may not be such a big deal, but its the principle. the rule was made for your own safety.

you know why the limit is 300 and not 320 or 280? because a 1 gram gelatin capsule going 300 fps exerts 12 pounds of force on whatever it hits. 12 pounds of force is the exactly the amount of pressure that can break a human pinky finger. i think they worked it out for childrens fingers, so an adults finger can probably take more damage. bud orr came up with that limit by asking a doctor how much force could a human pinky withstand because prior to this rule, people gauged the fps by seeing if a paintball would shoot bark off of a pine tree, which is horribly inaccurate and kids were going homes with broken fingers on their birthdays, cursing the day they thought to play paintball.

[Free_Fall54]

HeHe, looks like someone else knows about spare change in the hopper:D The oil works good but if you are walking by a trip with the soda you just bought over their equipement what can they do. Or Drop a pod or something(full) on their paintbag and then skidaddle. All these work on cheaters when you have plenty of friends around that know he is cheating and gets what he deserves. Being a field owner i have witnessed these and ive banned quite a few.

[turbosyde]

If its 301 thats close enough for me, though i keep mine at 275. Mabey the field should lower the limit to 280 like the one i use. The chrono after the game is a great idea, i like that. The problem w/ with wipers sukx. If i hit one once then twice then again.. I just forget about them, move to another bunker and tell him he's a biatch, after the match. Then and let the refs know to watch him. Sometimes i'll overshoot but often i'll get kicked too:-( Usually the wipers are the these annoying young kids 12-15 yo who think cause they have a ir3 and a jersey they are the ****. i can't tell you how many times i've heard !ITS ONLY SPLATTER! really well whats that gelitin shell doing on your hopper. Never played in tourneys but if they shot me from the dead box i would get really, really, really mad. That is total bs. Mabey the players should be taken off the field to stop shooting from deadbox, or give their markers to a designated ref. Anyway after Salm shouldn't everyone realize that cheaters never win, and are punk *** biatches. rant done

PS automagsrule: hopper full from 15 ft ouch, that is one tough lesson.

[automagsrule]

thats why no one cheats on my team :)

[avalnchebller]

If you suck so bad that you have to wipe or shoot hot intentionally you should be playing a different sport. If you wipe at my field the owner usually takes your paint and makes you leave.

[smartparts18731]

im a cheater deal with it j/k, $10 says im a sniper too:idea: :idea: :idea:

[Paintballguy6969]

Originally posted by j7million
This last Sunday we had some guys that were shooting hot. They were all high school guys and we played realized they were shooting hot, told them to turn it down, and played again. . . Then after game two they were still shooting hot so the biggest guy on the team went up and said "boys we're gonna have a talk" rubbing his bleeding had from a hot ball. . . Then they went and cronoed and they were hot: 305, 298, 301. They said it was ok to shoot 300 because it was the limit. . .so we said turn it down or play elsewhere. . . the said they turnned them down but we didn't play with them again . . . We just made fun of them the rest of the day, like one was cryin' because he got hurt from one of his buddy's hot balls. . ."I guess mommy and daddy are gonna have to kiss that boo boo" and "boy I wish mommy and daddy gave me that kinda money to be a big wuss". . . just stupid stuff.

But anywho, if I had it to do over again. . . which will prolly happen because they show up every once in a while. . . we've decided that when we play that if we get shot we're playin' like pros. . don't get called out by a ref, we ain't out. . . btw we don't have refs at our local field, only for partys and **** and there is like a $20 ref fee, screw that. So a few hot balls won't hurt as bad as we'll have enuff adriniline (sp) going through us after we empty a hopper and a few pods on them durning a bunkering *evil grin*

Also whipers. . . they can only whip so many. . . after you lite them up they can't whipe all of it or take all the pain. My favorite saying or quote "You can't whipe a welt"

//rant off Ya, I was playin wit my Brothers Friends, which all had Dark Angles, and we where playin teams, when my brothers friends which are are like 21 started shootin at us like crazy. i'm like " what the heck are u doin. If u keep thqat up will be covered wit welts." So i said that turn it down and give us a chance, so they said ok. will give u a chance. So we all spread out ( Both Teams) and they had a sharp shooter on top of this old building where no one could see him. And no one on the other team was shootin but no one could find him. And we were playin one shot kill. But u had to get shot in the head. and when i had found out that my whole team was dead, i had got pissed off. I'm like what the heck. they dont got any one shooting. Then when i look up, i'm like cheaters. u got a sharp shooter on top over there. And then they all started to charge me like crazy. I only got like 7 down. I was yelling at my brother like all day, almost, sayin u freakin cheaters.

[automagsrule]

nothins wrong wiht getting a strategic position. nothings wrong wiht taking advantage of your gear. I shoot fast with my stuff, does that make me a cheater? i try to walk the field before a game so i can find a good path and where the best bunkers are, does that make me a cheater? no, it makes me a better player.

[StilAngry]

I can honestly say that I have never met a paintball player that hasn't cheated at least once. You guys bonus ballin people, and bunkering guys w/ 10+ balls, are doing nothing more then making the rest of us players look stupid.

New players watching a game don't know about who shot hot last game, or who played, ect.. All they will remember is you shooting the crap out of some guy as he walked off the field.

Every sport has cheating, messing with peoples equipment, tampering w/ hoppers, ect...is just another form of cheating.
It's gonna happen! DEAL WITH IT! talk to the players in question,,,or don't play with em at all.

On the chrono, w/ a radar chrono you want to to tilt the gun back a bit, this puts the ball up tight to the bolt, if you point it down it will give you a lower reading.

just my .02

[KreSSiouS]

OMG CHEATERS SHOOTING ABOUT 10 OVER... THAT'S SOOO BAD CRY ABOUT it... seriously though man, in fun games ya it's supposed to be lower, but if your out playing in the woods with friends, there isn't much you can do abot it, and it's not THAT big of a deal.

[DaveEllis]

"If they won't say out, make them say ouch"

:crash:

[teamvividpatrick]

shoot the damn cheater in the but so he remembers what he did wrong and will think before doing it again.

[ErrantVenture]

I'd ask them to stop. If they didn't, I'd inform a ref. If it continued, I dunno what I'd do. Probably try and bunker/light him up some.

[AfterBang]

The way I deal with cheaters is by not dealing with them at all. They'll get their's eventually, either by a ref, player, or cockershooter2k3. Leave them alone, they're not going to get any better at this sport by cheating anyway.

[BinfordTools]

Afterbang

Why not get a pump and a jersey labeled "I CHEAT" when the guy cheats make him play with the pump and wear the jersey.

Plus give him no protection as hed be sure to get lit up in a practice.That should teach his ***.

Hell a stock tippmann would work too.

[BinfordTools]

we dont have cheaters either and we certainly wouldnt shoot them point blank either.

[blackxknight]

if you really hate the kid when you bunker him just put 8-10 in him, take the penalty and makes sure you do some trash talking too (aim for the neck and fingers):devil:

[AfterBang]

I really don't like people that bonus-ball peeps when they bunker them just because they don't like the person or because they cheated. What if your actions resulted in serious injury or death of the other person? 8-10 balls when bunkering is an unreasonable amount that could result in blowing the other persons mask off. If you did that at my field I would have you banned and arrested for assault. If you fell you MUST get involved when a person is cheating, don't take it into your own hands. Inform a person of authority and they will deal with it accordingly.

[blackxknight]

ive been hit in the hand a couple time while being bunkered and theres no way it would blow a mask off unless you were shooting hot all it would do is turn them real purple

[DyeGUY300]

Just leave the cheaters alone. Robo cop will get them!:evilgrin:

[automag_20]

I play in a town where the nearest field is an hour away so we built our own spool field. If anyone is caught cheating we usually just beat the **** out of them and it never happens again.

[AfterBang]

I'm talking to you BlackxKinght and Automag_20! Apparently you haven't been playing that long and you have never experienced a problem like this. Never ever shoot someone 8-10 times while bunkering them (if you manage to bunker them)! It's just plain stupidity! Another thing, how could you KNOW that being shot 10 times in the mask will not knock if right off your head, because you've been shot in the hand before?!?! It just doesn't make sense! Maybe you meant head. Even if you did get drilled in the melon, you didn't get hit 8-10 times! Stop acting your age and grow up a little before you actually do some damage to someone.

Automag_20, I know your type, the kind of person that will beat up some random kid because he whiped a hit.

NOTE: I'm assuming that both of you were being honest in what you said and you both stand behind your statements.

[automag_20]

Well since all the people I play with are all people that I know and are all around my age (17) and we do warn new players about are rule and usually that is enough to stop most people from cheating but we get the occasional wipe from someone and we take care of it in our own way. It may not be right in your mind but it is very effective.

[KreSSiouS]

automag, I hate people like you... Lets give him 8 extra balls... that just starts stupid **** man... If he cheats, then don't let him play with you, or make the ref stay on him...

[automag_20]

I respect your oponions so I am not going to argue. I can see your point of view but i still dont think im wrong. You guys can say you hate even if you dont know me that is cool. And i never said anything about bonus balling people can recover from a little @$$ beating but you risk a lot more with bonus balling to the head or neck.

[automagsrule]

1. you don't like his feild? too bad you didn't make it.
2. he warns people of the consequences of cheating
3. he said he knows everyone, its not like he's just beating down random people.

It's and easy and effective way of stopping it from happening. you don't hafta waste an extra ref to watch him and you don't hafta worry about if he comes back.

[Cockershooter2k3]

people like automags making our sport look bad

[automagsrule]

please explain how I make the sport lok bad...

[kscullin]

Stilangry, now you've met one. I've never cheated at paintball, neither do I intend to at any time in the future (and being 37, my future is kind of limited, compared to most kids in here). All of the people I play with don't cheat. I can't say they've never cheated, but I can say they don't now. A couple I've known since they started, and I know they've never cheated.

At my field, we have no refs unless a tagged player volunteers. We play renegade (masks, barrel plugs, chrono under 300) woodsball, and we would solve cheating by strength in numbers if we ever see it. We're not Gestapo - it has to be blatant cheating, or a few too many "errors". They'd get warned, then they'd get chased off the field and won't get to come back. This is because nobody I play with cheats. I like it like that. Actually, not bad - I've been playing with the same core group for 3 years now, and the only people we've had to "disinvite" (never had to actually chase someone off) are the people who wouldn't keep their masks on, no matter how many times they were warned - maybe 2 or 3 people over 3 years. Our games generally run from 5-20 people.

[Rabid Llama]

funny how cockershooter gets quiet all of a sudden after automagsrules ask him how he makes the sport look bad.

[Meph]

Aight now kiddies, I figured this was a good topic so I cleaned it out. Talk about an enima. You people need to learn how to not get so pissed off easily.

[Reklats]

Originally posted by Rabid Llama
funny how cockershooter gets quiet all of a sudden after automagsrules ask him how he makes the sport look bad.

Maybe its because he last posted here over 2 months ago, and forgot it exists.

[Reklats]

Thank you meph, for deleting all my posts 6 months after I first posted them. I appreciate it.

[Meph]

Oh I know about 75% of the posts that were removed were from probably last year. But I'm not going to do a half-assed job and only remove recent-garbage in these bumped posts.

[Cockershooter2k3]

hey meph you got by the swear filter and what striek am i on 2nd i beleive psssh you gonna edit more of my posts?

[Meph]

Beats me. Not sure why assed isn't *- out. But ah well.

And if you keep up what you do, then yes.