Spring Setup???

[RobUpNya]

What would be a good spring setup for my ICON E?
I bought the 32 degrees spring kit (9 piece). :rolleyes:

[bliz456]

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[qhimq]

my sig would be a good setup....

you should have a light valve spring and light main spring...which i have...

[neo71665]

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Number one, don't up non b/s/t threads
number two, this aint even your thread


As for the question, The sprin combo all depends on your marker. You are gonna have to play with them till you find the best set up. The marker being massed produced means no two will be exactly the same, you can start with somebody's setup as a starting point but it may not be right for your marker.

[RobUpNya]

my sig would be a good setup....

you should have a light valve spring and light main spring...which i have...

ok, i'll try this setup to start off with. why would you want a light main spring though? wouldn't you want it to me heavy, so the velocity comes out high? and what is the reason for having a light main spring?

sorry for the ?'s. just trying to understand the whole concept.

thanks. :)

[neo71665]

With a light valve spring you can lighten up the main as well. It all has to do with the dwell of the valve. The lighter springs allow less pressure to open the valve so in turn it also stays open a few milliseconds longer. The problem is in mass prouced parts you hardly ever come accross 2 exact same parts. His hammer may be a gram or 2 lighter and his spring stiffness can be lighter than yours. You will have to play with the springs to find out which ones proform the best with the best gas useage. You may find one thats works good and gets your velocity up but it won't do any good if you only get say 100 shots off a tank, lol.

[qhimq]

when you drop your psi there is less force pushing against the cupseal. The only reason you have a hard main spring is to open the cupseal which has 800 pounds of pressure behind it. If you reduce the pressure and keep the stock main spring in it, you will get very high velocity and your gun will not recock. It will not recock because the main spring is too heavy for that reduction in pressure. So you need a lighter main spring for lower psi.

[RobUpNya]

when you drop your psi there is less force pushing against the cupseal. The only reason you have a hard main spring is to open the cupseal which has 800 pounds of pressure behind it. If you reduce the pressure and keep the stock main spring in it, you will get very high velocity and your gun will not recock. It will not recock because the main spring is too heavy for that reduction in pressure. So you need a lighter main spring for lower psi.

i see where you're getting at....thanks.

one more question, is it alright to cut a little bit of the main spring off? the softest spring is too soft and the heaviest spring is too heavy. the medium spring is almost perfect giving me 310fps(that's loosened all the way). can i cut this spring just a little bit? is it bad?

[qhimq]

I would use the light main and switch out the valve spring for a lighter one. If you don't have lighter valve springs I have some for sale.

[neo71665]

If your cutting the spring cut one coil off at a time, test it, cut again if you have too.

[qhimq]

its not the best to cut the spring. the best way to lighten a spring is leaving the gun cocked for a couple days.

[neo71665]

its not the best to cut the spring. the best way to lighten a spring is leaving the gun cocked for a couple days.


And why do you say that? How do you think we used to do it before there were spring kits? We cut springs to bring velocity down and added washers/shims between the spring and velocity adjuster to increase it. I have never seen any damage done to a marker by cutting the spring or adding shims. Just put the cut end into the hammer and leave the factory end against the velocity adjuster. Leaving it cocked puts stress on the spring causeing it to wear out, also leaves stress on the connecting pin maybe causing it to break. The stress on the spring can not be regulated and can easily be overdone. The only poblem with cutting is to becareful not to over cut it.

[qhimq]

with most people when they get their brand new gun (blowbacks) they have very high velocity. That is because the main spring is still new and hasn't been broke in yet. So if you cut the main spring it will be fine for a month or so of playing but you will notice fps going down as weeks go by. That is because the spring is getting broken in. So, you run a risk of in time not getting high enough velocity. Leaving the gun cocked for a long time doesn't do anything bad, besides break in your main spring. If you have a stupid plastic/brass spring tension pin like spyders/draguns do, then it might put a little dent into it, which would be there in time anyways.

But if your shooting at like 320fps and your velocity adjuster is all the way out, then cut 1/2 coil or so until you get 290, then leave your gun cocked for a day or two.

But don't leave the gun cocked after that, what i did after everytime i played is take out the main spring from the gun and cock the gun. So the spring/detent won't get extra wear.

[epidemic_()WNS]

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[neo71665]

That made no sense and was againt the rules but whatever.